hi my daughter is 12 soon to be 13 i train her 2-3 times a week each section 2-4 hours.

[Donnynapatok33]

hi my daughter is 12 soon to be 13 i train her 2-3 times a week each section 2-4 hours.
Talented for her age knows basic, but as soon as she plays with other children or adults we train with, her talent is completely gone and she plays like a beginner even though we often train basic and let her play and train with others. has anyone experienced anything similar or know how can i or her get better when she plays others.

Ps. sorry for my English it not the best but I do my best

 

[amitmnagarwal]

hi my daughter is 12 soon to be 13 i train her 2-3 times a week each section 2-4 hours.
Talented for her age knows basic, but as soon as she plays with other children or adults we train with, her talent is completely gone and she plays like a beginner even though we often train basic and let her play and train with others. has anyone experienced anything similar or know how can i or her get better when she plays others.

Ps. sorry for my English it not the best but I do my best

I think with u she is used to a pattern

Hence make her play often with others and preferably in a training centre where other kids are also there so she can mix and play with them and not just you

 

[SrSTT]

I think with u she is used to a pattern

Hence make her play often with others and preferably in a training centre where other kids are also there so she can mix and play with them and not just you

I agree. Its very easy for any aged player, even long time players, to get into a comfort zone in reading their main practice partner. I find that after playing at a certain club, then going to a different club that I have to adjust my timing to account for the faster play at club #2. I'm almost laughable for the first 5-10 minutes sometimes.
Give her as much different 'stuff' as you can and encourage her to play with as many different people as possible (this is where tournaments make great training grounds). Be disruptive- vary your spin, speed, placement, and work to distract her to make her read the ball better. And your english is better than many native speakers that I know.

 

[pong99]

I see posts like; "I train her..." and "make her play often with others".

Does your daughter want to spend that much time playing table tennis? She is 12.

Maybe your schedule is too much for her. How many 12 year old kids can concentrate for 2-4 hours at a time?

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I see posts like; "I train her..." and "make her play often with others".

Does your daughter want to spend that much time playing table tennis? She is 12.

Maybe your schedule is too much for her. How many 12 year old kids can concentrate for 2-4 hours at a time?

Are you quoting @amitmnagarwal rather than OP on the "maker her play often with others"?

This seems like a reach.

And 2-4 hours for 12 years olds is not so uncommon, that is the bare minimum price to pay for excellence...

 

[pong99]

I was referring to OP and amit's suggestion.

Has the dad asked the kid what she wants? Has the kid stated that she wants to work towards excellence? She's 12.

Does she aspire to play on the national team and Olympics? If the girl wants to be an elite level player like the KTT kid who is training 6 days a week, then she's not training enough. Maybe she thinks table tennis is a fun thing to do, but gets bored after a while. She's 12.

 

[Tyce]

I was referring to OP and amit's suggestion.

Has the dad asked the kid what she wants? Has the kid stated that she wants to work towards excellence? She's 12.

Bang on. She's 12 so perfectly capable of having a little talk. If she stops performing once the pressure is off, does she want to perform or does she only perform because of the pressure?

 

[Matteones]

I will assume that the OP knows her child and that she is happy playing pingpong the amount that she is playing (that is not a lot), as he did not ask how to motivate her, and I wouldn't sidetrack on the original question on personal pre-suppositions. He also specified English is not his language so I wouldn't pick on his phrasing choices.

If I were you, @Donnynapatok33 , I would expose her to other players as much as possible, either by bringing her to other playing environments, or you can even invite some of her friends to train with her.
Also incorporate in your exercises sparring sessions with regular and irregular exercises, multi-ball is great for many things, but it must be integrated with sparring exercises with multiple different partners as those give "real" balls.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I was referring to OP and amit's suggestion.

Has the dad asked the kid what she wants? Has the kid stated that she wants to work towards excellence? She's 12.

Does she aspire to play on the national team and Olympics? If the girl wants to be an elite level player like the KTT kid who is training 6 days a week, then she's not training enough. Maybe she thinks table tennis is a fun thing to do, but gets bored after a while. She's 12.

My point is that OP literally said "i train my daughter for 2-4 hours" and it isn't very warranted to start insinuating that they're pressuring their kid into something they don't want to be doing, given the words of someone who isn't even OP...

 

[Donnynapatok33]

Thank you all for your answers, I see I have written "I train my daughter for 2-4 hours" I meant we play table tennis 2-4 hours not only with me also with other players. I train her about 1 hour approx. and when she plays against me as a training match she can make me play sweat on my forehead but for some reason when she plays with others she plays as a beginner and she loves playing table tennis and often looks forward to playing botdtennis.
Again Thank you all for your answers.

 

[Tyce]

My answer is still the same: ask her. Maybe she struggles adapting to other people's games and needs help learning to impose her own game. It's very common to be good when you can borrow speed and power from an opponent that gives you fast and spinny balls, but then fail against slower players who give you empty, slow balls.

 

[NetProphet]

Are you quoting @amitmnagarwal rather than OP on the "maker her play often with others"?

This seems like a reach.

And 2-4 hours for 12 years olds is not so uncommon, that is the bare minimum price to pay for excellence...

That is assuming that the kid wants to be excellent though.
When the OP writes ''Talented for her age knows basic, but as soon as she plays with other children or adults we train with, her talent is completely gone and she plays like a beginner'' then I think it's fair to question everything.

This includes questioning whether she is actually talented for her age (or the op, who may or may not be qualified to judge that, just thinks so)...
And also whether the child actually has good basics, because if everything disappears the minute she plays someone else then I don't think there's good basics.

If the OP is misjudging this then everything should be open to question as unknowing forum members read this and assess it from different angles and perspectives.
I didn't see any negative insinuation tbh, (ust some questioning) but does the child want to play for 4 hours was also one of the first questions in my head.
Along with does she want to 'train' (seriously, to Improve - where fun is often reduced) or just wants to mess around with friends not giving a care for technique or winning which might explain the outcome when she plays V her friends.

Bottom line:
- the kid don't want it
- the talent isn't there or
- the basics aren't learned because the coaching ain't there
are all plausible as possibilities without anyone being disrespectful or indeed insinuating anything bad.
But it is actually possible that a parent pressures their kid for something they don't want as well
The broken English doesn't help but I think the OP needs to flesh this out a lot more before anyone can fully understand the situation. At the moment it's a lot of try this try that and guessing..

 

[ThePongCommenter]

That is assuming that the kid wants to be excellent though.
When the OP writes ''Talented for her age knows basic, but as soon as she plays with other children or adults we train with, her talent is completely gone and she plays like a beginner'' then I think it's fair to question everything.

This includes questioning whether she is actually talented for her age (or the op, who may or may not be qualified to judge that, just thinks so)...
And also whether the child actually has good basics, because if everything disappears the minute she plays someone else then I don't think there's good basics.

If the OP is misjudging this then everything should be open to question as unknowing forum members read this and assess it from different angles and perspectives.
I didn't see any negative insinuation tbh, (ust some questioning) but does the child want to play for 4 hours was also one of the first questions in my head.
Along with does she want to 'train' (seriously, to Improve - where fun is often reduced) or just wants to mess around with friends not giving a care for technique or winning which might explain the outcome when she plays V her friends.

Bottom line:
- the kid don't want it
- the talent isn't there or
- the basics aren't learned because the coaching ain't there
are all plausible as possibilities without anyone being disrespectful or indeed insinuating anything bad.
But it is actually possible that a parent pressures their kid for something they don't want as well
The broken English doesn't help but I think the OP needs to flesh this out a lot more before anyone can fully understand the situation. At the moment it's a lot of try this try that and guessing..

We are on the same page but OP has already clarified that his daughter enjoys and looks forward to playing table tennis. Whether they are supremely talented is definitely in question as they likely wouldn't be struggling to play with other kids and adults if they were, but, my main point was in response to pong99 questioning that 12 year olds can handle training for 2-4 hours at a time, as I said, that's a bare minimum to being excellent (in anything) as well as needing talent and a lot of other things to go right...

 

[XpingpingpongpongX]

I think the original question is, why the trainings are not effective. From my experience, people (including me) who do well in practice but not that well in matches because they were fed with easy placements in practice. So you become pretty good at a few things, but in a match, when things start to vary, you are not able to adjust quickly. If you are serious about improving, the best thing is to get a good coach.

 

[Tyce]

We are on the same page but OP has already clarified that his daughter enjoys and looks forward to playing table tennis. Whether they are supremely talented is definitely in question as they likely wouldn't be struggling to play with other kids and adults if they were, but, my main point was in response to pong99 questioning that 12 year olds can handle training for 2-4 hours at a time, as I said, that's a bare minimum to being excellent (in anything) as well as needing talent and a lot of other things to go right...

My daughter (11) did, too, but it turns out what she was looking forward to was quality time with dad. She didn't have a click with anyone else in the group and that was important to her - and we wouldn't have found that out without some free, honest talking.
It's not even like she was pressured, she just didn't quite make a full realisation of her feelings about TT time until we talked it through.

 

[TenPercentWinRate]

hi my daughter is 12 soon to be 13 i train her 2-3 times a week each section 2-4 hours.
Talented for her age knows basic, but as soon as she plays with other children or adults we train with, her talent is completely gone and she plays like a beginner even though we often train basic and let her play and train with others. has anyone experienced anything similar or know how can i or her get better when she plays others.

Ps. sorry for my English it not the best but I do my best

I actually quite envy how your daughter gets exposed to a table tennis environment at a young age. Honestly, I actually preferred table tennis as an after school activity rather than piano.

I started piano at five, and had pretty good feelings about it. By the time I reached 12, I played because I was partially indecisive, and partially wanted to satisfy my parents expectations because they kept on pushing me to the next grade, and the next, and the next, until I couldn’t pass my piano exams. Their logic would be that if I’d put effort for quite a few years, might as well continue it to get some certificate out of it.

My point is that if you like something, it doesn’t correlate to having to achieve expectations. For me, I’d actually feel great if I had table tennis training for the time I had piano. But nevertheless, my parents didn’t realise my passion quick enough.

I would ask your child if they really like to ACHIEVE something in table tennis.

 

[Draf]

My sons(played<1 year) have similar issues, they play completely differently when we practice compared to when they play other kids.
Guessing it it is because I block or top spin the ball while the other kids hits balls flat and play with shitty no spin rackets.
Also, when they play with me they hit the ball much harder, guessing it is because that is the only way they feel they can "win" the ball, because otherwise I keep hitting easy balls back at them. Been trying to do different drills, but they don't enjoy that as much.