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I thought Rakza XX has the same top-sheet as Rakza 7, isn't it so? Now R7H is supposed to have the same hardness as RXX... Is it just the same rubber with different name? I'd not be surprised when I see Yasaka claims Rakza X has higher throw than R7, for me RX was ideal blocking rubber with low throw... I also enjoyed RXX but was a bit hard for my BH...

EDIT: To add, for me RXX was closer to R7 than to RX, but the name would suggest otherwise... In other words, mess, unlikely not deliberate...
That's a good point. The naming convention and the official description is rather confusing and inconsistent. Now that the R7H is out, I hope someone can make a deep dive into the rakza lineup with a very comprehensive comparison
 
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I thought Rakza XX has the same top-sheet as Rakza 7, isn't it so? Now R7H is supposed to have the same hardness as RXX... Is it just the same rubber with different name? I'd not be surprised when I see Yasaka claims Rakza X has higher throw than R7, for me RX was ideal blocking rubber with low throw... I also enjoyed RXX but was a bit hard for my BH...

EDIT: To add, for me RXX was closer to R7 than to RX, but the name would suggest otherwise... In other words, mess, unlikely not deliberate...
I don't think that's true.. I haven't got any actual proof, but per my feeling, the topsheet of RXX is much harder than the one found on the R7.
 
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So, interestingly enough, the weight difference between Rakza 7 and Rakza 7 Hard in 2.0mm sponges was not very much. Rakza 7 - Red 2.0mm weighed 68.87g uncut and Rakza 7 Hard - 2.0 Black weighed 70.01g. Of course, there can be some variation between sheets but it was less than I expected.

... and I would say after briefly testing with basic shots vs robot, it is hard to tell the difference between the two. I would struggle to know which side was which in a blind test. Not necessarily a bad thing because I like how Rakza 7 plays quite a bit. Will keep trying it out.
 
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So, interestingly enough, the weight difference between Rakza 7 and Rakza 7 Hard in 2.0mm sponges was not very much. Rakza 7 - Red 2.0mm weighed 68.87g uncut and Rakza 7 Hard - 2.0 Black weighed 70.01g. Of course, there can be some variation between sheets but it was less than I expected.

... and I would say after briefly testing with basic shots vs robot, it is hard to tell the difference between the two. I would struggle to know which side was which in a blind test. Not necessarily a bad thing because I like how Rakza 7 plays quite a bit. Will keep trying it out.
Good to hear Tampa, update us when you try it more as I’m also interested as a longtime Rakza 7 user for the backhand
 
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there's really something special about Rakza 7 and absorbing the speed off a ball when blocking. both versions work well but I had one block a step off the table on FH side with the R7 Hard that took everything off a strong ball and felt really nice. can save myself a little bit when caught off guard by blocking and staying alive with R7 on backhand too.

R7/R7H is able to generate spin nicely and it's a good balance between bounce/grip/speed/spin. R7 Hard may just have a little more snap to it and keeps ball out of sponge a little more on softer touches and slightly more to work with on strongest hits. maybe slightly easier to generate spin with R7 on softer opens. I turned racket around a little to try other way but no real big difference that I notice. it isnt like the difference between R7 and R7 Soft, which is very noticeable and a much bigger change.

been a few years since I played with Rakza 7 although I used it for a good amount of time on my allround blades. the adjustment came pretty naturally after some practice because it plays predictably and is simply a nice allround offensive rubber. will keep with it and could see myself playing with this setup for a while.

forehand-dominant player who opens frequently with backhand and blocks/controls mostly on that side but working to be more consistent and balanced with controlled spin and improved placement. it takes more effort to finish a point with R7/R7H than faster/harder rubbers, of course. but what you lose in finishing power I think you make up for with control and consistency. takes less effort to get spin on the ball with low/medium-power shots and arc is very manageable.

R7 has been around forever and R7H is very similar so plenty of feedback to review to see if fits what you are looking for. overall, fun to play with and meets my goals for the time being. here are some highlights from my practice matches during the first night with these rubbers on my Hugo HAL blade:




Going to use this for feedback as I try these rubbers out over the course of this month. Not all positives, always trade-offs…. Take it mainly as feedback on Rakza 7, not a comparison with my previous rubbers in particular. There is a slight difference in feel between the R7 and R7H, think of it as a very tiny % of the difference between R7S and R7.

Just some additional feedback in general after two more sessions: As I have been used to harder sponge/stickiness, I do miss that a bit in terms of slower open ups and deadness when desired. Now, I need to make sure to engage the sponge a bit more to get the grip and arc. Conversely, lack of stickiness makes me need to be less exact directionally - both opening up vs spin and aiming topspin drives, as well as reactionary blocks. -- Forehand open vs long push: I am finding that I can open with lots of spin, high/medium/low arc, and get a really nice dip when the ball hits the table. Not playing this shot super fast, but the amount of spin is really solid and causing trouble... Backhand open: Have adjusted my angle some and using little more effort to hit the ball and also getting nice spin, particularly if I come around the side of the ball a bit more. Getting more blocks that sail wide off side of table and require control from opponent to deal with effectively.

The sponginess makes blocks and hits speedy enough but requires a little better touch on the softest shots to keep bounciness at bay. Still not feeling a big difference between R7/R7H. I like these rubbers for training people as blocking is nice and controlled. Next test will be playing more styles/players particularly pips over table (which was something I liked with R7 a while back but need to readjust without sticky rolls. Humid (less grip) / cold (harder feel) environments can have some effect on R7 as well.

--- random: sound is nice, edges chip easily as always on Rakza 7. I was told the rakza 7 rubber has more spin when hitting/blocking without hitting too hard compared to rakza 7 hard, so that is feedback on that. rakza 7 does feel slightly more lively.
 
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there's really something special about Rakza 7 and absorbing the speed off a ball when blocking. both versions work well but I had one block a step off the table on FH side with the R7 Hard that took everything off a strong ball and felt really nice. can save myself a little bit when caught off guard by blocking and staying alive with R7 on backhand too.

R7/R7H is able to generate spin nicely and it's a good balance between bounce/grip/speed/spin. R7 Hard may just have a little more snap to it and keeps ball out of sponge a little more on softer touches and slightly more to work with on strongest hits. maybe slightly easier to generate spin with R7 on softer opens. I turned racket around a little to try other way but no real big difference that I notice. it isnt like the difference between R7 and R7 Soft, which is very noticeable and a much bigger change.

been a few years since I played with Rakza 7 although I used it for a good amount of time on my allround blades. the adjustment came pretty naturally after some practice because it plays predictably and is simply a nice allround offensive rubber. will keep with it and could see myself playing with this setup for a while.

forehand-dominant player who opens frequently with backhand and blocks/controls mostly on that side but working to be more consistent and balanced with controlled spin and improved placement. it takes more effort to finish a point with R7/R7H than faster/harder rubbers, of course. but what you lose in finishing power I think you make up for with control and consistency. takes less effort to get spin on the ball with low/medium-power shots and arc is very manageable.

R7 has been around forever and R7H is very similar so plenty of feedback to review to see if fits what you are looking for. overall, fun to play with and meets my goals for the time being. here are some highlights from my practice matches during the first night with these rubbers on my Hugo HAL blade:

So are you using it on the forehand or backhand?
 
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so... not that differen?
yes, hard for me to tell the difference for the most part.

So are you using it on the forehand or backhand?
the black rubber is Rakza 7 Hard, I'm using it on my forehand but turned it around some too just to see.

I'll report back if I notice anything but it's mostly the same rubber.
 
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yes, hard for me to tell the difference for the most part.


the black rubber is Rakza 7 Hard, I'm using it on my forehand but turned it around some too just to see.

I'll report back if I notice anything but it's mostly the same rubber.
Also are you the guy in the black or Blue shirt?
 
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there's really something special about Rakza 7 and absorbing the speed off a ball when blocking.
I remember I read a similar comment on another thread and shared a similar personal anecdote there. I remember the first time I started to train with the "grown-ups" at my club when I started playing, I had rakza 7 1.8mm on both side. This chinese guy I was training with, stopped mid-game, checked my rubbers, and said, "I could swear you were using pips". Blocks with Rakza 7 are truly special. It feels like it was a long time ago, but it wasn't more than 3 years ago, actually. Looking forward to more feedback on this 7H. I've been tempted to go back to this generation again recently, just out of nostagia I guess.
 
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i'm coming around to the idea that the Rakza 7 Hard has its place. very slight differences (like R7S vs R7 but way closer)... ball doesn't sink in quite as much when blocking or spinning. R7 makes spinning just a little easier and imparts spin more on passive shots. R7 Hard slightly more controllable on big hits and with a little more reward. I think R7H/R7 is a good progression from R7/R7S in terms of FH/BH orientation, but it also works fine the other way around (easier spin gen on FH w R7 for low/med shots and slightly more stable feeling when blocking on BH w R7H vs strong shots, but the slight sponginess of R7 is still better overall here I think to absorb energy and I like the slightly harder feeling for FH). Using either rubber on both sides would be just fine depending on desired effect. happy with these rubbers and remembering why I liked using R7 (and R7S) previously. the experiment continues...
 
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i'm coming around to the idea that the Rakza 7 Hard has its place. very slight differences (like R7S vs R7 but way closer)... ball doesn't sink in quite as much when blocking or spinning. R7 makes spinning just a little easier and imparts spin more on passive shots. R7 Hard slightly more controllable on big hits and with a little more reward. I think R7H/R7 is a good progression from R7/R7S in terms of FH/BH orientation, but it also works fine the other way around (easier spin gen on FH w R7 for low/med shots and slightly more stable feeling when blocking on BH w R7H vs strong shots, but the slight sponginess of R7 is still better overall here I think to absorb energy and I like the slightly harder feeling for FH). Using either rubber on both sides would be just fine depending on desired effect. happy with these rubbers and remembering why I liked using R7 (and R7S) previously. the experiment continues...
Thank you for your impressions, Do you plan to test it on your Harimoto SALC?
 
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What is the weight of the rubber r7h, razka rubbers tend to be on the heavier side. Thanks
 
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Thank you for your impressions, Do you plan to test it on your Harimoto SALC?
it's possible but im not sure. i decided to switch to HAL in March for foreseeable future so it would just be to see what it feels like. going from HTSALC to HAL w 09c was nice (after 1 year w same setup) and that is really the only other option ive given myself after this test period (minimum april, potentially 3 months or more depending on how it goes). im not trying to tinker too much. when these rubbers wear out or i go back to HAL/09C, ill put the R7 rubbers on a backup blade for training players since it works well for blocking/control, which could be my harimoto or it could be joola viva 7-ply.

i just always liked rakza 7 on my viscaria before (also learned with it on gewo allround and YSE) so I wanted to see what this would be like and give the rakza 7 hard a try. for a long time id say R7 on viscaria was my most solid setup for matches vs variety of styles so it made sense to give it a shot on the HAL. and I wanted to see what softer sponges/no tackiness would be like at this stage before settling on setup for the next year or more. i'd also gotten used to using worn out 09c's on various blades so i wanted to see if i really missed the extra topsheet grip and if i would benefit from slightly softer sponge. mainly with consistency in matches in mind.

with r7/7h on forehand side, i like being able to do inside out fh from corner vs block with more variation in the direction i can send ball vs with 09c throw angle/grip i feel like i need to be aiming in the particular direction i want the ball to go. so i lose a little potency but it's more surprising/deceptive and wider angle opens up. i have to be more careful when trying to finish the high balls if i am not close enough to the ball or in position to use my strength for a good shot, as I am clipping the net too much if i dont really hit it hard to finish a little ways back from table or have to play a safer shot with spin. im also not picking up some balls over the table with my FH that i would before, or they are not as threatening.

i am blocking the hardest shots right back with r7 on my bh when there is a little height to use to get back over net, but i am putting low balls into the net more than id like because of the reduced arc/throw angle (harimoto might be nicer in this area as i believe it is a difference between hal and htsalc - which is why i like the 09c on hal more now than harimoto - just a little more balanced angle between rubber/blade), i think i have to let the ball come up a little more or i need to direct it myself a little better - more time to adjust.

with HAL/R7, sometimes it is hard work to lift the backspin ball over the net for my opens if i dont commit to a nice spinny ball, but the ball is nice and spinny when i get it right. this was a minor change when switching blades but more pronounced now with the rubber change. i struggled with backhand flicks vs underspin serves at first which i was doing well w 09c, but now that i have adjusted it is working pretty well and is just different. the extra effort to lift/spin translates into a difficult ball for opponent to follow up against. i miss the deadness/stickiness for times when I can't read spin well though, as the slight bounciness and lack of grip is leading me to some errors. although serve return is a struggle in general so its to be expected, especially right now adjusting to new rubbers (and to an extent, the new blade still). the r7 is making me play a little more aggressive in general vs some serves rather than trying to touch them, as the ball is popping up a little too much, although its a work in progress and can adjust.

i could see these rubbers being nice on the harimoto so i may try it out. ill report back if i do. i need to be playing a lot to try out various things, and with my current rhythm, im trying to minimize it, which is why i havent gotten around to testing various other rubbers and new things. im still enjoying the time with rakza 7 and will keep at it so i can give it a fair try. and i feel good that i have a combo i will go back to soon enough if i decide thats best. my thinking is im working on dealing with extended rallies and improving my transitions, along with placement and consistency. over time, that should translate to better play but i can also do that with the other rubbers so i will work on these things either way.
 
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