What will be the best rubber setup for sanwei v5

[TheArtistJ]

hello , i recently ourchased sanwei v5 pro straight handle and i am thinking of purchashing this rubber in 39degrees front and back

 

[The0rigina1]

hello , i recently ourchased sanwei v5 pro straight handle and i am thinking of purchashing this rubber in 39degrees front and back

Get their new Target 3 National G40 sponge, it's pretty good

 

[TheArtistJ]

Get their new Target 3 National G40 sponge, it's pretty good

it's quick pricey and heavy

 

[Archosaurus]

Depends on your experience level, but that should be totally fine. Maybe think about the Special Soft or Europe Soft on the backhand.

 

[TheArtistJ]

Depends on your experience level, but that should be totally fine. Maybe think about the Special Soft or Europe Soft on the backhand.

why do people go for softer rubber for backhand

 

[Archosaurus]

why do people go for softer rubber for backhand

Typically a softer sponge has a higher ramp at low forces in the deflection/force curve, meaning that it delivers more rebound at lower swing forces. It also generally allows more feel, because the ball sinking into the sponge is more pronounced, especially on slower brushing shots.

The downside is that once the sponge is compressed a certain amount, typically let's say 2/3 to 3/4, it effectively becomes solid and won't add any more rebound force ie: it "bottoms out". So a soft sponge is not as good if you're regularly swinging strongly, because you're going to be saturating the sponge and making it less effective.

Usually a softer sponge is used on the backhand because typical swing mechanics don't allow for as much racket speed and acceleration as with the forehand. Of course players with big backhand swings and great mechanics can be an exception somewhat and may want harder sponges.

 

[The0rigina1]

it's quick pricey and heavy

It's cheap lol, only 120 rmb

 

[TheArtistJ]

Typically a softer sponge has a higher ramp at low forces in the deflection/force curve, meaning that it delivers more rebound at lower swing forces. It also generally allows more feel, because the ball sinking into the sponge is more pronounced, especially on slower brushing shots.

The downside is that once the sponge is compressed a certain amount, typically let's say 2/3 to 3/4, it effectively becomes solid and won't add any more rebound force ie: it "bottoms out". So a soft sponge is not as good if you're regularly swinging strongly, because you're going to be saturating the sponge and making it less effective.

Usually a softer sponge is used on the backhand because typical swing mechanics don't allow for as much racket speed and acceleration as with the forehand. Of course players with big backhand swings and great mechanics can be an exception somewhat and may want harder sponges.

I just tested it on that rubber but 40° and I must say , it is the best setup I have used, but you are absolutely correct , the backhand rubber was too hard so it flew off the table most times , so I think I will get special soft 37° for backhand and normal 40° for forehand

 

[TheArtistJ]

It's cheap lol, only 120 rmb

You can get it for me tho , I don't mind , currency varies and the price is really high

 

[Archosaurus]

I just tested it on that rubber but 40° and I must say , it is the best setup I have used, but you are absolutely correct , the backhand rubber was too hard so it flew off the table most times , so I think I will get special soft 37° for backhand and normal 40° for forehand

That's been my experience with some brand-new rubbers too. Harder sponges feel a bit faster even in relatively weak strokes. If the sponge is linear, it will always be faster if denser because the spring is stronger.

I believe the major difference is in more nonlinear sponges, like the 37deg special soft. Some of those are stronger in slow-mid strikes, and slower in fast. It might be easier to put spin on the ball in brushy shots, but blocks will be slower and more controlled, for example.

At the end of the day you should trust your own feeling the most if you don't have scientific testing to prove anything. Just use equipment that you are comfortable playing correct strokes with.

 

[TheArtistJ]

That's been my experience with some brand-new rubbers too. Harder sponges feel a bit faster even in relatively weak strokes. If the sponge is linear, it will always be faster if denser because the spring is stronger.

I believe the major difference is in more nonlinear sponges, like the 37deg special soft. Some of those are stronger in slow-mid strikes, and slower in fast. It might be easier to put spin on the ball in brushy shots, but blocks will be slower and more controlled, for example.

At the end of the day you should trust your own feeling the most if you don't have scientific testing to prove anything. Just use equipment that you are comfortable playing correct strokes with.

I do feel 37 and 40 is a big difference , what do you think?
Which one do you think would be just right for my back hand , 39° or 37°

 

[Archosaurus]

I do feel 37 and 40 is a big difference , what do you think?
Which one do you think would be just right for my back hand , 39° or 37°

I don't know how big the difference is because hardness doesn't directly correlate to spring stiffness, and it shouldn't be super big, but it interacts with the topsheet and pimples themselves, so it's never that simple. It seems to be noticeable usually.

The right one is the one you feel better with. I tend to think nowadays that you should start with the softest and work up.

 

[TheArtistJ]

I don't know how big the difference is because hardness doesn't directly correlate to spring stiffness, and it shouldn't be super big, but it interacts with the topsheet and pimples themselves, so it's never that simple. It seems to be noticeable usually.

The right one is the one you feel better with. I tend to think nowadays that you should start with the softest and work up.

I just made my research and I realized the target special soft version comes with traditional Japanese sponge , and I was using loki rxton 3 blue before on my backhand and I hated it cause it felt dead like cardboard and it used traditional Japanese sponge , so should I just get the target 3 nano penetration 39° for my backhand and 40° for my forehead

 

[Archosaurus]

I just made my research and I realized the target special soft version comes with traditional Japanese sponge , and I was using loki rxton 3 blue before on my backhand and I hated it cause it felt dead like cardboard and it used traditional Japanese sponge , so should I just get the target 3 nano penetration 39° for my backhand and 40° for my forehead

If you already used it and didn't like it, then yeah, I'd probably go for those.

I will be trying both of those myself, the silver package 39deg and the 37deg Special both on the forehand at some point this year.

 

[Reaper]

hello , i recently ourchased sanwei v5 pro straight handle and i am thinking of purchashing this rubber in 39degrees front and back

I recently got that in 40° hardness. tried to use it for backhand but it was to springy with high throw angle which i dont like on BH. So i had to put it on FH in a backup blade.

 

[TheArtistJ]

I recently got that in 40° hardness. tried to use it for backhand but it was to springy with high throw angle which i dont like on BH. So i had to put it on FH in a backup blade.

I had the same issue , I'm thinking of getting the 39° for my backhand

 

[TheArtistJ]

If you already used it and didn't like it, then yeah, I'd probably go for those.

I will be trying both of those myself, the silver package 39deg and the 37deg Special both on the forehand at some point this year.

Altho it was like a 15min play and I noticed when I actually adjusted my back swing , the entered with tremendous force and spin but obviously it wasn't a swing I adapted to within that 15min but I felt I could adapt to it when I get the rubber for myself. Hopefully 39° would make it easier for me

 

[Archosaurus]

Altho it was like a 15min play and I noticed when I actually adjusted my back swing , the entered with tremendous force and spin but obviously it wasn't a swing I adapted to within that 15min but I felt I could adapt to it when I get the rubber for myself. Hopefully 39° would make it easier for me

If you're not super experienced then it's not that difficult to adapt to it. You will definitely need to use a "Chinese" (or, correct) backswing, you can't get away with incorrect mechanics like a lot of people use with tensioned rubber, making tiny little crooked-arm pokes at the ball.

That being said the difference is not that dramatic, and it will improve your skills quicker because the result of using the body and accelerating into the swing is more obvious.

The softer versions will be slower and allow you to feel the ball a bit more, so I tend to think they're best to start with nowadays.

 

[TheArtistJ]

If you're not super experienced then it's not that difficult to adapt to it. You will definitely need to use a "Chinese" (or, correct) backswing, you can't get away with incorrect mechanics like a lot of people use with tensioned rubber, making tiny little crooked-arm pokes at the ball.

That being said the difference is not that dramatic, and it will improve your skills quicker because the result of using the body and accelerating into the swing is more obvious.

The softer versions will be slower and allow you to feel the ball a bit more, so I tend to think they're best to start with nowadays.

Hello , so I was unsure and didn't get a backhand rubber , so I am using the sanwei v5 pro with sanwei target 3 40° on my forehand like I said , so what I did for my back hand was I used the rxton 5 purple from my previous setup for it , but I find it still fast and high throw angle , so I am thinking of getting yhine moon blue medium hard or medium soft for my back hand, what do you think ?

 

[Archosaurus]

Hello , so I was unsure and didn't get a backhand rubber , so I am using the sanwei v5 pro with sanwei target 3 40° on my forehand like I said , so what I did for my back hand was I used the rxton 5 purple from my previous setup for it , but I find it still fast and high throw angle , so I am thinking of getting yhine moon blue medium hard or medium soft for my back hand, what do you think ?

I'm using Yinhe Moon Speed Medium in red on my backhand. On passive shots it's similar to high-throw soft tensors, but I feel that it's more speed biased and less spin biased on active shots. I find it good to play with personally but it might not be what you want.

If you need something slower, why not try Mercury II?