Return of International TT Matches

Ishikawa: Not even ZJK ALC...What next to EJ?

Meanwhile, select comments from 5ch and tieba.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7028523451?pn=6

爱撒娇的喵: 莎莎的第4局只有在对石川的时候才有事业心

草原抓鹰兔子: 主要是石川一开始打不开后面就开始瞎打。女仆心太重了

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A cute cat: Shasha's 4th game is only ambitious against Ishikawa

Grassland Catching Eagle Rabbit: It's mainly because Ishikawa starts playing blindly when she couldn't get a good start. The "heart of maid" is too deep-rooted

http://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1596334375/l50

860 名前：名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!! 2020/11/09(月) 20:54:50.08 ID:s61v9jJa
石川さんいつも通りすぎる

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860 Name: Anonymous Q (･ ∀ ･) No ゜ San !! 2020/11/09 (Monday) 20: 54: 50.08 ID: s61v9jJa
Ishikawa-san passes by as usual

couldn't watch till the end. Kasumi will always be Kasumi

Takkyu_wa_inochi said:

couldn't watch till the end. Kasumi will always be Kasumi

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Some Japanese folks tend to think my idol is just behind SYS, CM, LSW, DN...

http://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1596334375/l50

844名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 20:48:57.75ID:U8J+jg86
インシャが凄すぎる
インシャ、陳夢、シブン、丁寧以外だったら今の石川でも互角くらい戦えるくらいにはなってるけど
インシャが更に強くなってるから
今の石川じゃ全く歯が立たない

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Takkyu_wa_inochi said:

couldn't watch till the end. Kasumi will always be Kasumi

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She didn't even fight. Even I feel tempted to utter Zeio's favourite phrase.

driversbeat said:

She didn't even fight. Even I feel tempted to utter Zeio's favourite phrase.

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http://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1596334375/l50

853名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 20:52:58.73ID:kgrE9FFb
孫「ディアスの方が歯ごたえがあったぞw」

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Sun: "Dias was more chewy "

driversbeat said:

Han Ying playing her first world cup at 37 years old after wrecking the international stage for 9 years is simply an injustice. She has a good draw to the semifinal but will have to beat probably have to beat Chen Meng, Sun Yingsha or Mima Ito to medal. After seeing the form she was in against Jeon she might just have a sliver of a chance.

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Han Ying: I'm Justice!

She makes the best faces.
The sympathetic part of me wants the old guard to win, but I think Han Ying will likely get 4th place.

zeio said:

Han Ying: I'm Justice!

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apparently a big come back from HAN Ying in game 5

What's more fun than reading these Japanese comments?

https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1596334375/865-n
865名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 20:56:34.38ID:tbprJRGJ
石川弱すぎるw
今の孫から1ゲームも取れんとは
Ishikawa too weak
Can't get 1 game from Sun

869名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 20:59:34.00ID:dOazcMxV
対中国弱すぎでも国内だと強いからたちが悪い
さっさと下の世代にかわってくれ
Too weak against China, but strong in Japan, so that's bad
Hurry up and on with the next generation

870名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:00:05.29ID:/+bOsZ7s
よく考えたら中国はもうとっくに国内大会始めてるんだよな
それに対して日本は何もやってない
これじゃ試合感も無くなるに決まってる
If you think about it, China has already started a domestic tournament
On the other hand, Japan is not doing anything
This way, it will eliminate the match feeling

871名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:00:23.83ID:U8J+jg86
美誠見てから石川見ると
サーブの種類少なすぎるし
サーブのコースもずっと同じでバリエーションがない
バックはザル

石川は、今大会の美誠のサーブを全部チェックして
どうして、そこにそのサーブ出してるか勉強しろ
全てのサーブじゃないけど、かなりのサーブが意味あって
そのサーブ出してる

あとは、美誠みたいに男子選手２人を練習相手に
ずっとバックへ攻撃してもらえ
中国選手のパワーと回転力あるボールを全く受け止められてない
If you look at Ishikawa after seeing Mima
There are too few types of serve
The serve course is always the same and there are no variations
BH is a colander[TL's note: full of holes]

Ishikawa, go check all of Mima's serve in this tournament
Study why you have that serve there
Not all serves, but quite a bit of them make sense
Time for that serve

After that, like Mima, 2 male players are used as training partners
Have me attack the BH all the time
Didn't return the Chinese player’s power and spinny shots at all

873名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:02:59.80ID:Xm3Tn6Uv
悲しいほどの実力差を感じた
I felt a sad difference in ability

874名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:03:02.58ID:/+bOsZ7s
チンムは安定感ないから
案外負けたりするかもな
Because CM doesn't feel stable
May lose unexpectedly

875名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:04:10.98ID:Cqlv9AC0
日本の代表３人、選び直すべきじゃね？
The 3 representatives from Japan should be reselected, right?

877名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:04:37.90ID:C7Tk8HN6
中国　vs. 米国　
主審　中国人

国際大会で片方の選手と同国の主審って卓球じゃ普通にあんの？コロナだから？
他競技じゃあり得ないことだけど
China vs. USA
Umpire Chinese

Is it normal for one player and the umpire from the same country to play table tennis at an international competition? Because of corona?
It's impossible in other competitions

881名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:07:20.71ID:U8J+jg86
陳夢VSチャンリリーの方が楽しめそうだ
Chen Meng VS Zhang Lily seems to be more enjoyable

882名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:08:07.04ID:/+bOsZ7s
リリィちゃん
強くなってるな
アメリカはコロナで大変だろうに
どこでトレーニングしてたんだろ？
Lily-chan
Don't get stronger
America is having a hard time with corona
Where did you train?

883名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:09:17.34ID:kgrE9FFb>>884
世界ランキング9位の石川が今年勝利した対戦相手
403　野村萌
71　森さくら
38　芝田沙季
39　橋本帆乃香
53　ヤン・シャオシン
124　EDEM Offiong
175　SAWETTABUT Jinnipa
53　ヤン・シャオシン
47　ブリット・エールラント
23　加藤美優
38　芝田沙季
526　小塩遥菜
20　ディアス　　←ランキング最高位
40　ミッテルハム
23　加藤美優
23　ソ ヒョウォン
The opponent that Ishikawa, who is ranked 9th in the world ranking, won this year
403 Moe Nomura
71 Sakura Mori
38 Saki Shibata
39 Honoka Hashimoto
53 Yang Xiaoshin
124 EDEM Offiong
175 SAWETTABUT Jinnipa
53 Yang Xiaoxin
47 Brit Eerland
23 Miyu Kato
38 Saki Shibata
526 Haruna Oshio
20 Diaz ← Highest ranking
40 Mittelham
23 Miyu Kato
23 Suh Hyowon

885名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:12:20.61ID:Ai0dwp/U
>>825
石川は界王拳10倍が使えるようになった
伊藤や孫はスーパーサイヤ人になった
石川が遊んでいたわけではない
Ishikawa can now use Kaioken x10
Ito and Sun has become Super Saiyans
Ishikawa wasn't goofing around

825名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 20:41:35.34ID:/+bOsZ7s
思ったよりレベル差あるな
カスミン、コロナ期間中なにやってたの？

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Level worse than I expected
Kasumin, what were you doing during the corona period?

891名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:31:52.42IDKAfuayg
チャンリリーのサーブの構え弱い女子中学生みたいでちょっと面白い
こういうカチカチしたフォームだと回転掛からん人が大半だけど腕から先はちゃんと力抜けてるからしっかり掛かってるのもまた面白い
Zhang Lily's serve is a little funny like a weak junior high school girl
Most people would rotate along with this kind of stiff form, but it's interesting that it hangs firmly because the tip of the arm is strong

893名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:34:37.58ID:icxp4uTX
リリーちゃん髪サラサラ
シャンプー知りたいわ
Lily-chan's hair is smooth
I want to know the shampoo

896名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:39:03.96ID:kgrE9FFb
中国人隙がない
Chinese have no loopholes

897名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:56:18.61ID:zh3YqeKJ
イーチン、ガタイ良くなってる
I-Ching, body has improved

898名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:56:29.17ID:9S/6qE3Z
カットマン美人多いね
There are many beautiful choppers

899名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 22:02:05.23ID:wrHaao5D
この前の中国大会の決勝で陳夢対孫はストレートで
陳夢勝ってるんだね
Chen Meng vs. Sun was in straight games in the final of the Chinese tournament right before this
Chen Meng is winning

901名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 22:17:53.29ID:Xm3Tn6Uv
石川と平野の伸びしろの無さ感は異常
特に平野はまだ２０歳だぞ　ピーク早すぎだろ
お前はテイエムプリキュアかよハンカチ王子かよ
The feeling of lack of growth in Ishikawa and Hirano is abnormal
Especially Hirano is still 20 years old. The peak is too early.
Are you T M Precure or Prince Handkerchief[TL's note: SAITO Yuki]?

902名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 22:25:30.28ID:LGwv3hA+
木原に期待するしかない
No choice but to expect from Kihara

907名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 22:51:27.50ID:/+bOsZ7s
こんなにカット凄くても美誠に当たったらボコボコになるね
Even though you chop so hard, but if you run into Mima, it's as good as useless

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7028523451?pn=7

大夫带刀
196楼2020-11-09 22:56

上次好像谁统计过，四轮比赛最适合陈梦？这次赛程是教练组最满意的，最理想的结果就是孙颖莎赢伊藤加强未来的压制，陈梦夺冠顺理成章锁定奥运名额乃至单打，毕竟陈梦年龄不能再等了，加上全锦赛后期陈梦突然觉醒，目前状态依然不错，看起来前路一片开阔。但如果决赛发挥失常输给孙颖莎，那前路就蒙上阴影，不说争夺单打名额的机会被两国际大赛冠军在手的孙超出，就这种国际大赛决赛一直不开张的样子刘国梁肯定不喜欢，所以陈梦能否抗住这种压力就看明天晚上了，抗住了大满贯之路真就在脚下了。

大夫带刀
197楼2020-11-09 23:09

其实去年世界杯也类似，小朱打掉了当年让刘诗雯刻骨铭心未能及时上位的冯天薇，和另一边平推鱼腩进决赛的刘诗雯会师，最终获得了教练组的满意结果，大家也只记得刘诗雯的五冠王，不知道这次世界杯能否如教练组所愿了。

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Doctor with knife
Floor 196 2020-11-09 22:56

Last time, there were some stats like, 4 rounds of competition are best for Chen Meng? This schedule is the most satisfactory for the coaching staff. The most ideal result is that Sun Yingsha defeats Ito to strengthen the suppression in the future and Chen Meng wins the championship and locks the Olympic spot and even singles. After all, Chen Meng's age can't wait any longer, plus Chen Meng has awakened in the latter half of the national championships. Currently, her state is still decent, and it looks like the road ahead is open. But if in the finals she plays abnormally and loses to Sun Yingsha, the road ahead will be overshadowed. Not to mention that the chance of competing for singles spot is exceeded by Sun, with 2 international major titles. Liu Guoliang certainly does not like someone who keeps coming up short in international competition finals. Therefore, whether Chen Meng can stand this pressure depends on tomorrow's night. The road to the Grand Slam will be right under her feet if she can stand the test.

Doctor with knife
Floor 197 2020-11-09 23:09

In fact, the World Cup last year was similar. Little Zhu defeated Feng Tianwei, who made Liu Shiwen regret for life and fail to rise to fame in time, to rendezvous with Liu Shiwen in the final, who pushed aside cannon fodders all way to the final, and finally got a satisfactory result from the eyes of the coaching staff. But everyone only remembers Liu Shiwen’s 5 crowns, I wonder if this World Cup will proceed as the coaching staff hoped.

zeio said:

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7028523451?pn=7

Doctor with knife
Floor 196 2020-11-09 22:56

Last time, there were some stats like, 4 rounds of competition are best for Chen Meng? This schedule is the most satisfactory for the coaching staff. The most ideal result is that Sun Yingsha defeats Ito to strengthen the suppression in the future and Chen Meng wins the championship and locks the Olympic spot and even singles. After all, Chen Meng's age can't wait any longer, plus Chen Meng has awakened in the latter half of the national championships. Currently, her state is still decent, and it looks like the road ahead is open. But if in the finals she plays abnormally and loses to Sun Yingsha, the road ahead will be overshadowed. Not to mention that the chance of competing for singles spot is exceeded by Sun, with 2 international major titles. Liu Guoliang certainly does not like someone who keeps coming up short in international competition finals. Therefore, whether Chen Meng can stand this pressure depends on tomorrow's night. The road to the Grand Slam will be right under her feet if she can stand the test.

Doctor with knife
Floor 197 2020-11-09 23:09

In fact, the World Cup last year was similar. Little Zhu defeated Feng Tianwei, who made Liu Shiwen regret for life and fail to rise to fame in time, to rendezvous with Liu Shiwen in the final, who pushed aside cannon fodders all way to the final, and finally got a satisfactory result from the eyes of the coaching staff. But everyone only remembers Liu Shiwen’s 5 crowns, I wonder if this World Cup will proceed as the coaching staff hoped.

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Lol, imagine being 26 (whether or not that's her real age) and yet time is ticking. Chinese team is no joke.

zeio said:

869名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 20:59:34.00ID:dOazcMxV
対中国弱すぎでも国内だと強いからたちが悪い
さっさと下の世代にかわってくれ
Too weak against China, but strong in Japan, so that's bad
Hurry up and on with the next generation

870名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:00:05.29ID:/+bOsZ7s
よく考えたら中国はもうとっくに国内大会始めてるんだよな
それに対して日本は何もやってない
これじゃ試合感も無くなるに決まってる
If you think about it, China has already started a domestic tournament
On the other hand, Japan is not doing anything
This way, it will eliminate the match feeling


875名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 21:04:10.98ID:Cqlv9AC0
日本の代表３人、選び直すべきじゃね？
The 3 representatives from Japan should be reselected, right?


899名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 22:02:05.23ID:wrHaao5D
この前の中国大会の決勝で陳夢対孫はストレートで
陳夢勝ってるんだね
Chen Meng vs. Sun was in straight games in the final of the Chinese tournament right before this
Chen Meng is winning

901名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 22:17:53.29ID:Xm3Tn6Uv
石川と平野の伸びしろの無さ感は異常
特に平野はまだ２０歳だぞ　ピーク早すぎだろ
お前はテイエムプリキュアかよハンカチ王子かよ
The feeling of lack of growth in Ishikawa and Hirano is abnormal
Especially Hirano is still 20 years old. The peak is too early.
Are you T M Precure or Prince Handkerchief[TL's note: SAITO Yuki]?

902名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2020/11/09(月) 22:25:30.28ID:LGwv3hA+
木原に期待するしかない
No choice but to expect from Kihara

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Some thoughts:
- Unexpected results are expected as tournament play gets back into swing. Training without matchplay for almost a year will throw things off.
- Japanese players just always seem to peak early. Wonder if it has to do with the typical long-term development strategy
- That being said, waiting on the next generation to come and rescue them, at least in Hirano's case, may be futile. Ishikawa is hopeless, but it seems early to give up on Hirano.
- Not sure that Kihara or Nagasaki are the saviors
- CM winning in straight games previously doesn't mean much here. Totally different stage, different day, anything can happen. Sun can definitely put up a good fight or even win

yeh Mima is the only real hope on the Japanese side. All the other girls are far behind. I don't think Kihara or Nagasaki are very special and can improve to beat CNT players in singles consistently. Nagasaki is more powerful than other J-girls but her technique doesn't stand out. I don't think she (or anyone) can beat China at its own game.

Mima is opposing a unique style. This IMO has a much better chance of working.

I believe ITO can win this competition. But beating SYS would already be a satisfactory result

Takkyu_wa_inochi said:

yeh Mima is the only real hope on the Japanese side. All the other girls are far behind. I don't think Kihara or Nagasaki are very special and can improve to beat CNT players in singles consistently. Nagasaki is more powerful than other J-girls but her technique doesn't stand out. I don't think she (or anyone) can beat China at its own game.

Mima is opposing a unique style. This IMO has a much better chance of working.

I believe ITO can win this competition. But beating SYS would already be a satisfactory result

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Japanese juniors beating some Chinese juniors is a tale as old as time. The youth success rarely translates at the senior level, many of those Chinese juniors you never hear from again a few years later, and almost all of them do not have as much tournament experience as their Japanese junior counterparts.

Harimoto has been excellent and a standout since he was 13, and we still don't even know what his success against the Chinese at the senior level is going to be like. And none of these Japanese girls are standing out the way Tomokazu did, so people really need to set their expectations a little more realistically.

Han Ying of Germany is the real gem to better satisfy all the non-chinese fans.
[size=+3]Han Ying will make you all happy, undeniable.[/size]

yeh Hayata had a big tournament in January. Maybe its going to give her confidence to boost her career. She's taller and more powerful than ITO. But I think Mima is more talented.

Gonna be tight. SYS eats Ito's serves. G1, Ito misses a lot on BH. Once past the 3rd/4th stroke, SYS has the upper hand.

4 game points saved! Ito 10:12.

Yeah, I know Ito’s game is higher risk, but she’s missing a lot of her kill shots

Eerland Brit on ITTF air with her hot takes

"She (Ito) sometimes hides (her serves)"

"At this high level, many players hide"

I wonder if ITTF will invite her back to commentate more