long pips ox vs sponge

[mateusz2351]

Hello everyone

I decided to ask for help because I have been playing spinlord blitzschlag ox for a year and I decided to change to long pips with a foundation and I bought dhs cloud & fog iii 1.0 and I will honestly admit that after the first training it was very hard for me to play because on Ox after the first attack the opponent had to sweat to attack a second time and now he can attack a second time without a problem and I understand why so often people try with a foundation and then go back to without. Maybe someone has been through a similar path and can tell me what to change to because maybe I should buy with a sponge at the beginning 0.5?

 

[tzifos]

In general:
OX long pips are usually used near the table for blocks/chopblocks/attacks quite similar to ANTIs
The Long pips with sponge are made to be used mid/far from table for chopping. The big movement of chop can create enough backspin to make the opponent difficult to attack. Near the table is not easy to create such backspin with a sponged long pip.

 

[mateusz2351]

In general:
OX long pips are usually used near the table for blocks/chopblocks/attacks quite similar to ANTIs
The Long pips with sponge are made to be used mid/far from table for chopping. The big movement of chop can create enough backspin to make the opponent difficult to attack. Near the table is not easy to create such backspin with a sponged long pip.

Yes, I know about it, but I often play at medium distance because with strong topspin it is hard to defend close to the table because it often throws out and I wanted to change to pimples with a sponge

 

[mateusz2351]

I was thinking about these two pads victas curl p1v 0.5 or feint long 2 0.5 maybe I want to jump to 1.0 from ox too quickly

 

[PickleRick]

It depends purely on how you want to play with your long pimples. Smooth pips in OX give massive passive reversal when you block and can be very disruptive. The problem with OX is that you cannot manipulate the spin. A skilled opponent can take advantage of this and you will feel helpless. It only works if you are good at twiddling.

On the other side you have grippy long pips with thicker sponge. These work well for spin manipulation and are good for defence far from the table. There is no passive reversal though so you need an active skilled chop technique to create underspin. For blocking close to the table, such pips are worthless.

You can experiment with sponge thickness to find a good compromise between passive reversal and spin manipulation. It depends purely on what you want to do.

 

[mateusz2351]

I usually played close to the table, but if there was someone who attacked immediately, I would play and retreat

As I read, mine is very slow which I played with and I will buy a slower one with a 0.5 base to compare and I managed to buy a used tsp curl p1r 0.5 so I will try it and see how it plays

 

[Azku]

Generally speaking, OX LP produces more reversal, and can be harder to control for new players.

Sponged LP (I've only used thin sponge) is easier to control in my opinion, but it produces less reversal. You can also play more aggressively with it if you want. So I think it's better to play actively with sponged LP.

Also, there are LPs with dampening sponge too. I'm currently using S&T Monkey 0.6mm (dampening sponge), because my blade is too fast for OX LP.

In my opinion, if you can already control OX LP, and you're not planning to attack with the LP, you're better off with OX LP.

 

[merlin el mago]

You can try with 0.5 sponge, you loose reversal & disruption but you will have more gears playing mid-far from the table. Also my advice is not use dampening sponge because your long pips behave near antis so you will loose a lot of gears.

 

[igorponger]

Some Aliexpress shops offer ultra thin sponge sheets 0.3 mm, it feels much like an elastic cardboard. Thermoglue is the best bonding stuff to construct a sandwich combination. Thermo bonding.