Penhold twiddle?

[Lula]

Hello! Played shakehand for around 20 years. Semi-high level. Changed to penhold last year and play around the same level.
Have used short pimple forehand for a long time. Have tried to play a bit with backside on the forehand side. Much easier when i don’t practice as much longer. Feel like I both need to move much better and practice much more with short pimple. Pretty fun to play some backside aswell.

Have been trying to learn to twiddle. Would be cool to do be able to loop against backspin and do counter loop with backside. Maybe try a short pimple that are a bit nastier.

Have been practicing for around a month at the table and in my sofa haha 🙂

But is this realistic? Are there some players that twiddle during the game successfully? Have seen some penhold with long pimple that twiddle to attack with backside.

The old woman from Luxembourg aswell but she never seem to twiddle during the ball.

I assume perhaps I can learn to set it up so I can decide a bit beforehand.

Interesting in your thoughts.

 

[longle]

I've seen some old men with short pimples twiddling their rackets before serving, under the table..

 

[suds79]

I used to twiddle way back in the day. I don't do it anymore as I think for me, and it'd be my guess for most people, you're better off not doing it.

So here's a video I made on it back in the day and I'll talk about it's shortfalls after that.

Currently I just play inverted on the FH & BH and use RPB when necessary. I'll still sometimes use a TPB as that's what I grew up playing. It's a mix & match.

When I used to play a combo bat, my style was inverted one side & long pips on the other. While it's possible to get really good at this style, it sure is a lot of work. I think what people, or I should say myself, didn't think about is how you have to learn muscle memory for so many things.

- Inverted FH
- Inverted TPB
- RPB Long Pips Chop
twiddle:
- Long Pips FH chop-block (vs incoming topspin)
- Long Pips TPB chop-block (vs incoming topspin)
- Long Pips FH attack bump (vs incoming backspin)
- Long Pips TPB attack bump (vs incoming backspin)
- RPB with inverted whenver you want to use it.

There are more beyond this. I would consider myself a fairly fast twiddler back in the day but even still there will be points where you're caught with the Long Pips on your FH and you'll think "dang this ball is sitting up there. I really wish I had inverted here".

To me the easier, and if you like to attack like I do, more fun style of play is to just play the modern double inverted.

Also side note: I no longer do the curled finger approach. Nice for twiddling but I like the traditional finger approach for feel & power on the FH.

Honestly if say someone is a single winged penholder and they could play an entire match with just their normal attacking side, sure go ahead and put a Long pips or anti on that opposite side for the rare RPB chop. That's handy sometimes. But I don't think I'd twiddle hardly ever anymore if I was playing that style.

 

[Lula]

I always twiddle after the service, that works good. I have seen that video. You twiddle in the opposite direction compared to me. Feels like your direction should be faster but hard to get fingers corrrect on the backside. I think it is probably easier to twiddle with a more shallow grip. Maybe easier with smaller wings aswell?

Yeah I think it need to be pretty organized. Maybe long push-> backside
Loop -> counterloop

But I think the short pimple rubber need to have som effect otherwise it is better with short pimple with more grip and get better at looping first ball.

Probably easier aswell to learn tpb short pimple first but would be cool to be able to twiddle haha 🙂