All round rubbers for dhs hurricane

[Bizzyb]

Brand new to forum so my apologies if this may have already been covered.

I used to play a lot of garage tt perhaps 6 years or so ago. I currently have what i believe to be a dhs hurricane paddle but do not know if its 2 or 3 or what. It has shriver el as fh and dhs skyline 2 as bh rubber.

Im getting back into the game and need to replace the rubbers. I love the spin i get out of the shriver even tho its so old and the skyline has reasonable control. However the bat is quite heavy and i often find my block or return is going over the end of the table.

I have a fair forehand with an improving loop and smash. My bh is week but i am trying to improve.

Can you please suggest a good intermediate combination that will encourage improvement in play? Id prefer the bh to be slower than fh i think....

Sorry about all the uneducated comments. Keen on your thoughts.

 

[Suga D]

Hey Bizzy B,
welcome to the forum.
Most people would suggest an allround or allround+ full wood blade with a first or second gen tensor type of rubber.
The sriver is a rather classic type of rubber, and very good to start, since it's not so fast, but lately you can hear many voices saying it's a tad too slow for the new poly balls.

If you could post a pic of your blade people might be able to tell you, what kind of blade you own.

Well, anyway.
Have a good time here. One can get a lot of valuable information here but also some humorous comments. So have a good 1

 

[Bizzyb]

Photos of blade attached. I dont want to remove existing rubber until I know I order new rubber, as its my only bat..

 

[rokphish]

look at the sides of the blade, one side would have an etch with the blade's model on it. yours looks a bit like Hurricane Hao but the color seems off...

 

[Suga D]

Yeah. The handle also looked from first impression a bit like Hurricane Long II, but the plies don't match. So Hurricane Hao could be, but then where did the colors go?

 

[rokphish]

Certainly not the Hurricane Long 2... Certainly not Hurricane Long and Hurricane King series for that matter...

Based on the logo at the bottom I would assume that it's Hurricane Hao 1. But the handle supposed to be blue in color with yellow curve.

 

[Suga D]

...But the handle supposed to be blue in color with yellow curve.

That's exactly what i'm talkin' 'bout.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

The wood looks good. If you like it, keep it. If you were comfortable with the old rubbers and liked them, if they worked for you, there is no reason not to get the same a second time.

If you wanted something new and pretty nice, with good spin and good control get:

Xiom Vega Pro FH
Xiom Vega Europe BH

The Europe is softer and slower than the Pro. They will likely be spinnier and have more catapult than your old rubbers because they are a different kind of rubber and more modern. But you should be able to get used to and control them after an hour or two of play.


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[Bizzyb]

Thanks for that. I took the edge protection off the side of the blade but didn't find any etching. I few little dents but no etching..

 

[Bizzyb]

I think you might be right. Its entirely possible that with all the sweaty play in my friends grubby garage over the years that the blue has worn out of it.

There still is a kind of blue/purple tinge to it.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

How does the blade feel to you when you use it? Do you like it? Does it feel hard, soft, fast, slow?

Are you able to feel the wood when you hit the ball? Are you able to feel the ball?


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[Bizzyb]

Excuse my ignorance in this reply..

BH I can feel the ball hitting wood, it feels much harder than FH.

FH feels quite soft and this may also relate to me thinking it's a bit slower. I wouldn't say I feel the ball anywhere as much as with BH.

I have a lot more control over heavy spin with current BH rubber whereas if I'm not careful on FH I tend to misplay spin as it reacts heavily against the rubber. I tend to twiddle bat to BH side if playing a heavy spinner, especially backspin

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I think this gives me some info to work with. Get the same rubber for BH.

Get H3 for FH.

A regular commercial H3 should be fine. It will be faster than the BH rubber. But similar enough to it for you to have that spin and control on both sides.

Since you did not mention anything that makes me think you either like or dislike the blade, you may as well keep it.


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[rokphish]

Thanks for that. I took the edge protection off the side of the blade but didn't find any etching. I few little dents but no etching..

the etching is not on the side of the blade's head, rather, it's on the side of the handle where you put your hand

 

[Bizzyb]

the etching is not on the side of the blade's head, rather, it's on the side of the handle where you put your hand

You know, I did look there first and didn't find any etching. So i figured you must have meant somewhere else

 

[Bizzyb]

I think this gives me some info to work with. Get the same rubber for BH.

Get H3 for FH.

So you would now recommend this over Xiom Vega Pro FH, Xiom Vega Europe BH?

I wish i had more opportunity to examine the feel of the bat, but I dont have a table at home.

I understand that its probably going to be some trial and error and learning new rubbers (i remember it took a lot of learning with the current rubbers). I guess I am just keen to be heading in the right direction as far as blade/ rubber combinations are concerned so that they are somewhat complimentary rather than working against each other.

Thanks for everyones input so far...

P.S. Given the age of this bat, I am not sure the BH rubber is still around. Its a skyline II, no mention of hurricane or Neo or TG. Cannot seem to find any mention of this old rubber anywhere..

 

[rokphish]

Excuse my ignorance in this reply..

1. BH I can feel the ball hitting wood, it feels much harder than FH.

FH feels quite soft and this may also relate to me thinking it's a bit slower. I wouldn't say I feel the ball anywhere as much as with BH.

2. I have a lot more control over heavy spin with current BH rubber whereas if I'm not careful on FH I tend to misplay spin as it reacts heavily against the rubber. I tend to twiddle bat to BH side if playing a heavy spinner, especially backspin

first, Skyline is TG, so Skyline 2 = TG2

1. Yes, skyline is harder than sriver el, but at that time, skyline would not be faster than sriver el.
if your bh is the weaker of the two i would suggest not using the skyline on the bh, you could try out sriver on the bh and skyline for the fh and see if you like it. if you do, just get new rubbers of the same kind. by the time you wears these new ones out, you would have better idea about what you're going to use next. using skyline type rubbers on the bh for many would be more harmful in totality compared the good it brings to certain aspect of your play.

2. you mentioned you switch to using skyline on fh when playing against heavy under spin, this sounds to me you're more at ease using chinese rubbers for looping compared to sriver el (japan or german type rubbers), thus i'm suggesting the flip over. sriver is less spin sensitive so a better choice for weaker bh to provide more control/fail safe. you could try with TG/Skyline 2 Neo for the FH. You could try Sriver/Mark V for the BH (both sriver and mark v is harder than sriver el), or try something new, like Vega Pro like Carl said.

Having said that, I know at least a couple of high level player (give me 2-3 points handicap) who are using fairly the same setup you are, that is, Japan/German on FH and Chinese H3 on BH. If you're more comfortable this way, then go for it. I was just stating the more common way of playing above.

Or, an even lesser common way would be playing with chinese on both, say h3 on fh and tg/skyline 2 on bh. this would required much more on physical strength, strokes and receiving serve judgement, and tactics, well... requires more pretty much in all areas to simplify. Not really recommending this, unless you're really sure in what you're getting into.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

What rokphish is saying is actually very good common sense and the more standard way of doing things.

Because tacky rubbers like Skyline II are hard, spinny and not so fast, more people use that kind of rubber on FH. Because Japanese rubbers like Sriver have more catapult from the sponge, that kind of rubber is often used on BH when someone has a tacky rubber on the FH.

For some people tacky rubbers are easier to control. Not so for others.

The reason I suggested H3 on FH and Skyline II on BH is this: Bizzyb expressed that he did not have as much control or ability to handle incoming spin with the Sriver. And was more comfortable on either wing dealing with spinny shots when using the Skyline.

So, I decided speed was not the issue but control was. And for Bizzyb it sounds like he feels more comfortable with the tacky rubber. And he is more comfortable with it, regardless of whether he is hitting with his FH and BH.

If he is having trouble dealing with incoming spin on the Sriver, I decided the Xiom rubbers might be too hard to get used to and be too hard for him to feel he has good control.

I could be wrong. But I think

H3 FH and
Skyline II or III BH

would probably be pretty decent based one he has said so far.

And they are fairly inexpensive.

BTW: As rokphish said, Skyline II is also called TG2. They are the same rubber. And you can still order it. DHS does still make it.

But if Bizzyb wants to step up to something that will make him have to learn to use it, he may need to take a week or three to get used to the Xiom rubbers.

But in the long run, it could be worth his while stepping up to the Xiom rubbers. With the Xiom rubbers he will be forced to learn how to read and counter spin better. But in the long run, when he can control those rubbers they will have forced him to improve his ability to read and counter spin.


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[Bizzyb]

Wow, great info to wake up to thanks!!

I think I like the SG 2 h3 idea, at least to get some ideas on how I'm playing and how it feels with new rubbers. Then I can adjust at that point given then aren't too expensive.

I guess last question then, I've seen these both at 2mm and 2.2mm sponge.

Can I expect much difference, or should I just choose a thickness (in thinking 2.2) and keep it the same both sides?

It looks as though current thickness is 2.2

 

[Bizzyb]

Sorry and just to confirm, we aren't talking about skyline neo here right?