Backhand and forehand rubber recommendations for 1.5 year beginner

[Ingo_Ger]

What the...
Sry, early in the morning here...

 

[Suga D]

Hahaha. Nevermind.
This has happened to me and many others as well.
It's happens a lot when people mindlessly wake up old threads.
See some threads might even be worth it to be woken up every once in a while or even make them a 'sticky', but I'm afraid this one here isn't one of those.

But no worries, the guy who probably in some overexcitement woke up this dead thread should feel a bit guilty. Now. Not you.
[Emoji6]

 

[cerebro]

Hahaha. Nevermind.
This has happened to me and many others as well.
It's happens a lot when people mindlessly wake up old threads.
See some threads might even be worth it to be woken up every once in a while or even make them a 'sticky', but I'm afraid this one here isn't one of those.

But no worries, the guy who probably in some overexcitement woke up this dead thread should feel a bit guilty. Now. Not you.
[Emoji6]

Is this how this forum rolls?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Is this how this forum rolls?

You were trying to wake this up to get some more info on Vega Intro. Your intentions were fine. And perhaps things can be said more diplomatically. But if you look at it, nobody who commented after you even considered answering your questions. Probably they didn't even read well enough to realize you woke the thread to ask the question. And there were a few people who made posts thinking they were going to help someone out without reading well enough to realize the OP has long since gotten the rubbers he wanted and has not posted on TTDaily since his last post in this thread.

So, as a result of the thread being reawakened, a few people made themselves seem a little silly since they did not read the dates on the posts.

So, here is what I would say: If you have questions about a piece of equipment, often those kinds of questions are best asked in a new thread. And here, it can be seen that trying to reawaken the thread only led people who did not read closely to make comments that are kind of funny when you realize they just are not realizing that the comments they are responding to were made so long ago.

With this thread in particular, where people went directly off subject and were recommending things that had little to do with what the OP was asking, waking a thread like this up can really cause some people to twist their minds into a tailspin.

I don't think you did anything bad. I am not sure you meant to get people all confused. But the reality is, often waking up old dead threads does that. Particularly with threads about equipment advice and especially for those types who want to be helpful but seem not to read what they are responding to.

Reading more carefully would be useful for the guys who jumped in to respond without realizing the thread was old. You were clear that you wanted to reawaken the thread to find out some information. But, it still did cause confusion.

So, hopefully, those guys who respond without reading carefully, will do a better job of reading. But, dated info in an equipment thread, maybe those kinds of threads don't need to be reawakened.

Thanks.

 

[cerebro]

thx for the reply
i don't think i made anyone look foolish. i think it was within this thread where, ages ago, you posted that this is the same as 4 or 5 threads/week. so, this is an internet forum, we are constantly rehashing things anyway,....why not here? if reviving this thread made readers or repliers feel silly that was unintentioned and i apologise. the OP never updated, so who knows, if you noticed I actually offered advice. Also, ingo actually did answer my main question, so I was appreciative of his post and would suggest other ppl will read his post in the future

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I am pulling this from the other thread so I can deal with it in one place rather than in two separate places.

@suga d
i found this thread, read it, and posted info that had not been included in this thread.
i did this for the community
and you call it advertisement?
Read the thread title, maybe the whole thread, before you call me out for adding content...very sucky way to interact with a new forum member
trying to run me off?
i just read your other comment in another thread where you said i should feel guilty for posting ffs

So, I just want to add a little more info.

When a spambot gets through the TTDaily filter system and becomes a "member", the spambot crawls the site and randomly opens threads and posts. These spambots generally post content that is an attempt to mirror prior posts from the thread and then to slip a link or two into the content, often in random words in the content.

Those links are to bring more traffic to a specific site. Often they are sites that are kind of shady.

Now in both the threads you woke up that I saw, the people who responded after you who were not Suga D, clearly did not read well enough to realize they were responding to a thread that had died and was being resurrected.

It is true it is not your fault that those people, some of them the same people who responded without reading in this thread just do not pay attention and write without reading. But waking up old threads does that. And, it appears that Suga D may have mistaken you for a spambot. Because, how you posted when you woke this and the other thread up, it looks a lot like how a spambot posts. Except you were not posting links because you simply are not a spambot.

So, in the future, try not to wake up old threads if it looks like the kind of thread where people will start giving advice to an OP who no longer needs advice.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

thx for the reply
i don't think i made anyone look foolish. i think it was within this thread where, ages ago, you posted that this is the same as 4 or 5 threads/week. so, this is an internet forum, we are constantly rehashing things anyway,....why not here? if reviving this thread made readers or repliers feel silly that was unintentioned and i apologise. the OP never updated, so who knows, if you noticed I actually offered advice. Also, ingo actually did answer my main question, so I was appreciative of his post and would suggest other ppl will read his post in the future

I don't think you tried to make anyone look silly. But sometimes people make themselves look a little silly. I am not sure that is much of a problem though. I don't see Ingo as answering your question, at least not on purpose. He was clearly responding to many of the older posts. As is evident by the posts he quotes, the direct advice to OP and his response when he read Suga D's comment about how his comments are good but the thread is old.

And, perhaps that sentence in the post you are responding about you making people look foolish needs to be edited. Now it says more of what I was intending to say.

 

[cerebro]

Carl; i don't understand why you say that noone answered my question again. I asked how long will Vega Intro last

Vega Intro might be OK but seeing how mine is developing with two to three times a week training with also multiball suggests that it will last maybe 6 months with the way yourik 445 will use it.

and old/outdated equipment thread? this is the most info on xiom vega intro in any thread i found. In post #2 it directly suggests vega intro as a mark v replacement....I really fail to see how that is not entirely current, and why it shouldn't be bumped.
Not really important to talk about, just hope it's some food for thought, pretty sure your search function will bring people here for awhile so you should prob turn off comments if you don't want bumps.
I found the welcome to this forum pretty poor so will just leave, all the best, thx again for the help ingo

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Carl; i don't understand why you say that noone answered my question again. I asked how long will Vega Intro last

and old/outdated equipment thread? this is the most info on xiom vega intro in any thread i found. In post #2 it directly suggests vega intro as a mark v replacement....I really fail to see how that is not entirely current, and why it shouldn't be bumped.
Not really important to talk about, just hope it's some food for thought, pretty sure your search function will bring people here for awhile so you should prob turn off comments if you don't want bumps.
I found the welcome to this forum pretty poor so will just leave, all the best, thx again for the help ingo

Read this post and notice who he is quoting.

To be honest, this sounds to me like the usual playstyle one develops without having proper training and lacking a lot of fundamentals like stance, position and distance to the table and so on. Let me guess, if you are right handed, your right foot is near to the table and your toes are facing towards the table. A lot of people start to play BH because it is easier and more secure than FH. The stroke is much shorter and you have your whole body behind the ball. Given that information, this is really bothering me:






I mean, come on! He is playing for fun and seems not to train or haven't trained at all. Vega Intro might be OK but seeing how mine is developing with two to three times a week training with also multiball suggests that it will last maybe 6 months with the way yourik 445 will use it.
@yourik 445: Just buy new Mark V 2.0mm for both sides and be happy for at least 1.5 years!

He is not responding to you at all. He added the info because he is using the rubber and because he feels Mark V lasts longer so YOURIK would be better served with Mark V. It had nothing to do with you.

Again. Look at the posters who he quotes. Read the actual post with the quotes. Here:



This is a photo of it. Read the comment in context and try to tell me any of what he said refers to you at all in any way.

You may have gotten good info from it. And it is fine to read old threads. But it is obvious that you should not go around necromancing this kind of thread: the reasons are quite apparent: it leads to posts like the one in question where it is totally obvious that Ingo is posting in a way to try and help the OP and get him to avoid falling into the bad information that some people posted when the OP obviously is not even on the site anymore.

And please note this sentence directly after the quote you took out of context: "@yourik 445: Just buy new Mark V 2.0mm for both sides and be happy for at least 1.5 years!"

Notice, he says "@yourik...." Not At cerebro! And the 1.5 years is a comparison to the 6 months he has decided Vega Intro would last for someone who does not do more serious training.

It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with you.

 

[cerebro]

I didn't say he referred to me, I said he answered my question. I doesn't matter to me who it is about. It still directly answered my question. The fact you can't see that shows incredible rigidity in your personality.
Peace out

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I didn't say he referred to me, I said he answered my question. I doesn't matter to me who it is about. It still directly answered my question. The fact you can't see that shows incredible rigidity in your personality.
Peace out

Sorry. But we totally disagree. Your question was answered, but he did not answer your question. Those are different statements. In the midst of a statement about something entirely different, the question you asked, entirely incidentally, was answered....by someone who was talking to someone else who is not here.

That you don't get this, to me makes me wonder a few things.

I think it is fine you got an answer to a question. Think about how much less drama on the site it would have caused if you had opened a thread and said:

"Hey, does anybody know about how long Vega Intro lasts? Can anyone give me any other information about Vega Intro that may be helpful to me?"

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

The fact you can't see that shows incredible rigidity in your personality.
Peace out

I have to say, I left this. But I feel I shouldn't. I find this to be totally rude. Given all the circumstances, I find it more troubling particularly since I explained my position 2x by the time this was posted and then explained it yet a third time.

I feel this should have been enough.

I don't see Ingo as answering your question, at least not on purpose. He was clearly responding to many of the older posts. As is evident by the posts he quotes, the direct advice to OP and his response when he read Suga D's comment about how his comments are good but the thread is old.

But given the fact that you also were asking me in a Private Message about how you were treated by another member, for you to make a personal attack on me and what you feel is my "personality" after all the work I did to clean up the mess you made in TWO separate threads, the idea that you seem intent on not understanding what I said in this first answer, or understand my second answer, makes me wonder.

You are new to the forum. I would like your time on the forum to be fun and useful. In fact, so far, I have done more to try and ensure that for you than any other member over the last month. So please be mindful of when you are making a personal attack on someone else, especially if it is because you have not quite understood what they are saying.

I would say others should also be mindful of making personal attacks.

And I will still tell you that reading older threads like this is fine. But waking up a thread where someone a long time ago was asking for advice on equipment is usually not the kind of thread that should be woken up. The fact that Ingo and Yogi both jumped in to try and give the OP advice without realizing the date of the thread should be enough. The fact that the only other comments on this thread after you woke it have to do with the problematic nature of waking this kind of thread should also help make this clear.

The fact that you got an answer while a few people looked like they didn't pay attention and then you repeatedly did not understand that the answer you got was not given in response to your question but instead was given in the hopes of helping someone who is not needing an answer should also show what I am saying.

It may have been inadvertent that you caused this much trouble on the forum. But you actually did. And then that sentence just stands out all the more for me. Sorry. But it just does. It does not make you look very good in my eyes.

 

[cerebro]

Dude, this is pretty redundant, but in case it still has value to you let me explain.
I understand your viewpoint, always did, you feel that as noone specifically said they were answering me rather than the OP that it had nothing to do with me. That's fine, I understand that is your opinion. I told you I don't care if that is the case, I still got my answer, why can't you accept that?. You are carrying this on for your own reasons. Calling you rigid isn't an insult unless you see it that way. You are blaming the guy with next to no posts next to his name for creating drama. Is that really possible, that I could created so much drama all by myself by posting nothing inflammatory in an internet forum? Really, this is on me?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Dude, this is pretty redundant, but in case it still has value to you let me explain.
I understand your viewpoint, always did, you feel that as noone specifically said they were answering me rather than the OP that it had nothing to do with me. That's fine, I understand that is your opinion. I told you I don't care if that is the case, I still got my answer, why can't you accept that?. You are carrying this on for your own reasons. Calling you rigid isn't an insult unless you see it that way. You are blaming the guy with next to no posts next to his name for creating drama. Is that really possible, that I could created so much drama all by myself by posting nothing inflammatory in an internet forum? Really, this is on me?

You really seem to want to purposely not get what I am saying.

I have, many times said, you may have gotten an answer. But the response was not intended for you. And because the person responding was thinking they were being helpful to someone who is not here, that in itself is problematic.

Again I will say, if you made a thread and asked how long Vega Intro lasts, you would have gotten a better answer. And answer that may have been about how you play and how long it might last for you.

But you stubbornly don't want to get that.

And, I am sorry:

The fact you can't see that shows incredible rigidity in your personality.

Is a direct comment about me and my person and it does not seem that your intention is to be flattering.

Okay: "You are stubborn and over and over again you seem not to be able to read or understand. I think this shows an obstinance and rigidity in your personality."

That is how you come across. That is what seems to be the case. But, truthfully, I wouldn't want to say that to you even if I am thinking it. Because saying it is rude. But since you don't think it is an insult, maybe I should just say it that way.

 

[cerebro]

I do not take insult from your opinions Carl, I have no wish to insult you either. You have truthfully dealt with my in a civil way. My concern arises from your apparent insistance that I have ignored or misunderstood you. Yes I should have started my own thread. I am new and chose instead to add to a current thread so as not to bother people with the same crap. I got trolled and shut down. Look at my post count and blame me again if it pleases you.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I do not take insult from your opinions Carl, I have no wish to insult you either. You have truthfully dealt with my in a civil way. My concern arises from your apparent insistance that I have ignored or misunderstood you. Yes I should have started my own thread. I am new and chose instead to add to a current thread so as not to bother people with the same crap. I got trolled and shut down. Look at my post count and blame me again if it pleases you.

Your post count has nothing to do with it. You are not the only one at fault. I have not said that either. You did not cause Suga D to get upset and think you were trying to troll or that you might be a spambot. You did not intend that. Suga D knows he overreacted. But you seem to keep trying to argue.

Initially, you did not intend to cause a problem. I understand you bumped old threads for a reason that, at the outset, was not a bad one. But it was also one that was based on not really knowing what happens on the forum when there is an old thread where someone is asking for advice. Even in a new thread asking for advice you will get a bunch of responses that have nothing to do with what you asked. Which is why, earlier in this thread, Der and I were joking around about the threads where someone is asking for advice on equipment and people give random answers that are totally beside the point for the OP. We were just joking around though.

In any case, when you first reawakened this thread and the other, I am sure you did not intend to cause trouble. But my point several times was, in spite of not intending that, you did indeed create some trouble. Was it all your fault. No. Yogi should read before he posts. Ingo, same. Suga should be a bit more restrained and ask questions politely to see if you are a real person instead of a spambot, and should then try to sort out your intentions in waking the old threads. It is important to try to respect other people. Sometimes Suga D gets carried away. But it is actually pretty much always for the right reasons.

But, in response after response from a moderator telling you not to wake up old threads, or trying to explain the distinction between you getting an answer that helped or someone actually answering you, you have argued over and over without seeming to try and understand the things I have attempted to explained. So, I would say, yes, you have caused some disruption.

"I don't care if Ingo was confused and thought he was helping Yourik. I got the answer I wanted even though Ingo did not intend to answer my question, I...." in my opinion, is not a good answer. And, actually what you did, even if unintentional, did play a part in disrupting the forum. And since, I am the one who seems to clean the mess, the fact that over and over, obstinately, you seem to refuse to understand what I am saying and want to argue and get the last word, it is painting more and more of a picture for me as I watch over the forum.

 

[cerebro]

i have no problem with this post other that where you "quote" me as saying things I never did.

if reviving this thread made readers or repliers feel silly that was unintentioned and i apologise.

I did say that^
If you somehow read that as me not caring what can i do?

 

[cerebro]

seriously, i'd like the last word, so just don't reply ok?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

i have no problem with this post other that where you "quote" me as saying things I never did.

I did say that^
If you somehow read that as me not caring what can i do?

I was not quoting you. I paraphrased something. And you did express that sentiment.

And yet you keep arguing and wanting the last word. As far as I am concerned, at this point, any response other than "Oh, okay. Sorry." Is going to be a problem.

As what I am doing here is still simply moderating this thread, ANY OTHER RESPONSE, at this point is going to be looked at unfavorably. Any. Sorry.

 

[pgpg]

seriously, i'd like the last word, so just don't reply ok?

What is this, Reddit now?