Screaming during play? Illegal?

[Tony's Table Tennis]

That's wrong, though. Because it's an official competition with cameras and kids watching the show. What if the Iranian player stopped to do any noise and started complaining at every single noise made with foot, mouth or whatever by the Danish player, just because "this is the rule, this is the rule". If the Danish player is disturbed so much by such a low noise of the opponent he can play only in his basement with the robot, a good and silent one.

That is why training/coaching is required on this part of the game. Not everything goes according to the rule book and not everything goes as per your wish
clearly younger players have this kind of problem, but Lind is 25 already.
its Lind's only problem if he can't handle it, and people, who want to be strategics, can work on these weaknesses (any one from crowd, coach and opponent).

 

[Ian]

I sympathise with Lind in this instance. Alamiyan clearly called out because he thought he'd won the point, and it's obviously distracted Lind enough to stop him continuing to play the point. I've had this happen to me and done it myself in local league play, As soon as we've realised we called out in error, we just say "yours" and give the point away. I'm not sure what the exact rule is to be honest, but it just seems to be the fair thing to do.

 

[Brs]

If you can't concentrate because of some noise during the point, then you need to work on your own mental ability.

 

[Ian]

I also think it's worth noting that there is a difference between background noise, grunts, shoe squeaking, etc, and calling out like the point is over. I think subconsciously we filter out the usual TT noises during a rally but someone shouting out can be very distracting.

 

[JJ Ng]

I sympathise with Lind in this instance. Alamiyan clearly called out because he thought he'd won the point, and it's obviously distracted Lind enough to stop him continuing to play the point. I've had this happen to me and done it myself in local league play, As soon as we've realised we called out in error, we just say "yours" and give the point away. I'm not sure what the exact rule is to be honest, but it just seems to be the fair thing to do.

I think we can be fair to say that due to background noise or due to the poor quality of the taping, Alamiyan's calling out was pretty faint. Obviously we are not Lind and we are not there. Similar thing happened with Lebron brothers with FZD and WQC during doubles.

However, a few comments:

1) If the ref's are not calling out service fault consistently, how do you expect them to call out these "yelling out" during in the middle of the match. I hate comparing it to the NBA, but since NBA is popular here, I will use it as a comparison. Every single coach and player knows every ref calls each match differently. A set of crews are fine with physical contacts between the offensive players and defensive players. Certain amount of bumping is allowed. Even minor grabbing of the jersey. Another set of crews are not so lenient and every bump is called a foul. So the coach and the player play accordingly! They can complain all they want but two minutes in the game, they test out the referees and see how tight they call the game and they then proceed.

In this situation, we already know TT referees do not even call blatant service faults. How do the Lebron brothers and Lind want them to call out the "yelling out?" By interruping the game, they just sound petty and unreasonbale.

2) like another poster says, you always always play out the point until the ref calls let or something. Lind clearly did not see the ball coming back and I don't think he was prepared. He would rather call the point himself instead of playing it and talking to the referee "at the same time."

3) the most fair thing in situation is for both players to call let and play the point over the game. That I agree. But it is World Championships and players are competitive (it is their livelihood after all) so some argument is fair.

 

[iammaru]

I think we can be fair to say that due to background noise or due to the poor quality of the taping, Alamiyan's calling out was pretty faint. Obviously we are not Lind and we are not there. Similar thing happened with Lebron brothers with FZD and WQC during doubles.

However, a few comments:

1) If the ref's are not calling out service fault consistently, how do you expect them to call out these "yelling out" during in the middle of the match. I hate comparing it to the NBA, but since NBA is popular here, I will use it as a comparison. Every single coach and player knows every ref calls each match differently. A set of crews are fine with physical contacts between the offensive players and defensive players. Certain amount of bumping is allowed. Even minor grabbing of the jersey. Another set of crews are not so lenient and every bump is called a foul. So the coach and the player play accordingly! They can complain all they want but two minutes in the game, they test out the referees and see how tight they call the game and they then proceed.

In this situation, we already know TT referees do not even call blatant service faults. How do the Lebron brothers and Lind want them to call out the "yelling out?" By interruping the game, they just sound petty and unreasonbale.

2) like another poster says, you always always play out the point until the ref calls let or something. Lind clearly did not see the ball coming back and I don't think he was prepared. He would rather call the point himself instead of playing it and talking to the referee "at the same time."

3) the most fair thing in situation is for both players to call let and play the point over the game. That I agree. But it is World Championships and players are competitive (it is their livelihood after all) so some argument is fair.

Refs often refuse to make difficult calls, but it's not the fault of Lind or someone that calls the illegal serves?? So because the refs refuse to call illegal serves, then all the players that call blatant illegal serves are petty and unreasonable? I actually admire them for their bravery. If you think it's wrong, you call it even if the refs or people choose to ignore the problem. Because people choose to ignore the problem, the illegal becomes the norm.
Screaming/chole when the point is not over is just wrong, even if it's an accident, and if you play fair, you should give the point away or at least agree to replay the point. Just like in football, sometimes the ball touches your arm/hand by accident, it's still a fault.
I don't think Lind was not prepared (for the ball to come back), he actually was prepared to call it as soon as Noshad screamed, because if you are not prepared, your instinct would be playing instead of stopping.

 

[Metaxa]

In this situation, we already know TT referees do not even call blatant service faults. How do the Lebron brothers and Lind want them to call out the "yelling out?" By interruping the game, they just sound petty and unreasonbale.

Indeed

 

[Metaxa]

Because people choose to ignore the problem, the illegal becomes the norm.

This is how far we are now in international table tennis! Illegal services is the new normal!

 

[lodro]

After 29 posts nobody has come up with th answer to the OPs question which of course was:

Screaming during play? Illegal?​

I think it is therefore fair to ask : If rules become so distant from us players should they be scrapped ? (If they even exist of course)
Should all rules re. illegal serves be scrapped too ??

 

[spinomania]

Screaming during play is not inherently illegal, as it depends on the context and the specific laws of the jurisdiction you're in. In general, if screaming or making loud noises during play disrupts the peace or violates the rules of a particular establishment or event, it may be considered inappropriate or even prohibited. Many venues, such as casinos, have guidelines in place to ensure a pleasant and respectful environment for all patrons. It's always advisable to be mindful of others around you and to follow any rules or guidelines set by the venue or event organizers.

 

[OldUser]

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[OldUser]

Screaming during play is not inherently illegal, as it depends on the context and the specific laws of the jurisdiction you're in. In general, if screaming or making loud noises during play disrupts the peace or violates the rules of a particular establishment or event, it may be considered inappropriate or even prohibited. Many venues, such as casinos, have guidelines in place to ensure a pleasant and respectful environment for all patrons. It's always advisable to be mindful of others around you and to follow any rules or guidelines set by the venue or event organizers.

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[OldUser]

I think there is a rule? But does it really matter? They don't even reinforce service rule anyway.

Lind was just being a crying baby.....

He's notorious for that in Pro A, not the first time I see him behaving that way... plus Noshad is a very fair play guy, he's just a grunt one like Amir Hodaei can be too, but they never cheat that's for sure, they're not in the CNT...

The problem is leadership: Noshad has played for a while in Pro B with Torigné Fouillard that climbed up only in pro A only this season, Anders plays in GV Hennebont TT, a ETTU Cup winner and each year in Champions League. Their previous match up has already been electric, but the european referees and umpires manage those problems way better than the WTT ones, Anders does not behave that way with french referees

One thing I'm sure about the rules: the continuous play and those CNT players f.cking hand-raisers, FZD never stops raising his hand when Alexis Lebrun serves, no matter who he is he has to be sanctioned like Yuan Licen has been.

 

[OldUser]

Now this is how referees should do their job, shouting in a clear victory manner when you're not doing a stroke meaning the ball is NOT in your side of the table yet is prohibited, but grunting when you actually are doing a stroke is ok.

And again, FZD is a cheater

The bald french referee is actually doing a GREAT job: he's human, he makes a mistake, sees it immediately, and then switch back to the rallye instantly, Gnanasekaran unfortunately for him shouted in a clear victory manner before the rallye was ended, so the referee rightly gives the point to the opponent. Simple as that, WTT referees are unable to perform that way.

 

[OldUser]

The best referee is the one that knows he's not perfect, that he's ONLY human, I've been taught that way in the french federal refereeing system. When referees act like robots, nothing good can happen.

 

[OldUser]

I sympathise with Lind in this instance. Alamiyan clearly called out because he thought he'd won the point, and it's obviously distracted Lind enough to stop him continuing to play the point. I've had this happen to me and done it myself in local league play, As soon as we've realised we called out in error, we just say "yours" and give the point away. I'm not sure what the exact rule is to be honest, but it just seems to be the fair thing to do.

Wrong, plain wrong: Noshad sees the ball touching the net and going in his side, so he grunts in a way we would all do to save those kind of balls.

 

[OldUser]

That is why training/coaching is required on this part of the game. Not everything goes according to the rule book and not everything goes as per your wish
clearly younger players have this kind of problem, but Lind is 25 already.
its Lind's only problem if he can't handle it, and people, who want to be strategics, can work on these weaknesses (any one from crowd, coach and opponent).

Your problem is you're ignoring what a good referee should do and should be, you actually have no experience in refereeing. The probem with the chinese way if teaching table tennis is they learn the basic rules only, and never do some refereeing, only the adults do this. In the european system, kids coach each other but also do the refereeing job for each others, that's why they european pros knows the rules way better than the chinese ones.

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[OldUser]

I think we can be fair to say that due to background noise or due to the poor quality of the taping, Alamiyan's calling out was pretty faint. Obviously we are not Lind and we are not there. Similar thing happened with Lebron brothers with FZD and WQC during doubles.

However, a few comments:

1) If the ref's are not calling out service fault consistently, how do you expect them to call out these "yelling out" during in the middle of the match. I hate comparing it to the NBA, but since NBA is popular here, I will use it as a comparison. Every single coach and player knows every ref calls each match differently. A set of crews are fine with physical contacts between the offensive players and defensive players. Certain amount of bumping is allowed. Even minor grabbing of the jersey. Another set of crews are not so lenient and every bump is called a foul. So the coach and the player play accordingly! They can complain all they want but two minutes in the game, they test out the referees and see how tight they call the game and they then proceed.

In this situation, we already know TT referees do not even call blatant service faults. How do the Lebron brothers and Lind want them to call out the "yelling out?" By interruping the game, they just sound petty and unreasonbale.

2) like another poster says, you always always play out the point until the ref calls let or something. Lind clearly did not see the ball coming back and I don't think he was prepared. He would rather call the point himself instead of playing it and talking to the referee "at the same time."

3) the most fair thing in situation is for both players to call let and play the point over the game. That I agree. But it is World Championships and players are competitive (it is their livelihood after all) so some argument is fair.

it's LebrUn

 

[lodro]

Lots of opinion as usual but still nobody shows the rule that says shouting is
not allowed. All you are showing me are """Interpretations""" of the rules.
These of course vary from country to country and umpire to umpire.
That is NOT the rule

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Your problem is you're ignoring what a good referee should do and should be, you actually have no experience in refereeing. The probem with the chinese way if teaching table tennis is they learn the basic rules only, and never do some refereeing, only the adults do this. In the european system, kids coach each other but also do the refereeing job for each others, that's why they european pros knows the rules way better than the chinese ones.

A referee's job is not to umpire the match. That is the umpires job.
I know exactly what the roles of a referee and umpire is.

I have never been a referee, since a tournament will only have 1, and then maybe a couple as a deputy referee.
But I have done my fair bit as an umpire. But then my role is a coach, so my role is to train players to cope with bad umpires. My role does not include getting good umpires to umpire, that is the role of the umpire and referee commission. It is wise to just stay within your role and do it better than Lind's coach, who clearly shows that Lind has a mental problem when decisions don't go his way.

The player and coach has they own role, leave the complaint to the team manager with referee afterwards. Especially during game play, things cannot be fixed even after calling for the referee (no idea why Lind calls it supervisor). So this is when you grow up, mature up, stop crying and continue to play, as the points to follow is yours to loose if your mind isn't in the game.

Half the time, umpires are old and maybe half asleep too.
just like this European umpires here:

I am amazed that your side of the world, kids are referees....
Since the prerequisites for a say, ITTF Level 1 Referee, is at least a ITTF Level 1 Umpire (and to have done duties for min 1 year) and then to do a level 1 referee course (which don't come across often when compared to umpire courses)