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Man finally this rubber got some love from the forum, I'm also playing a 39deg black on my FH and love it. Price is cheaper than H3, Battle 2 while having almost the same performance

Yeah, @Zwill made a thread about it back there in 2022, but I kind of ignored it. Then in 2023 I had a chance to have a hit with it, in a meeting of a Czech TT-forum, and I knew its for me.

Now I play with it for 2 months and 1 week, about 6 hours weekly. It plays well, but it kind of lost the color, and is a bit greyish. I originally hoped it would hold the first half of the season ;-), but now it won't make the start of it in the end of September. It physically pains me, it reduces the joy of a nice hit. Maybe it is just this one, I have 2 new, so will know after some time. The provincial H3s I used before (even though the sponge hardness was disappointing) kept the color longer, they both get the markings after about the same time though. Anyway, price is good, will definitely keep it this season. I guess even if the other 2 don't hold more, it is still an optimal EJ rubber, you just boost it, use for 2 months, throw away without hesitation. Cheers.
 
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Beautiful curl.
 

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Not yet, that just the second layer, here's third one. And it will not soft, it's 41.5.
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Maybe we have different definition of "layer".

When I boost 2 or 3 layers, it never loops anything like this. If I hold up the rubber with 2 fingers, it arches around 45 degrees.
 
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Some rubber can't curl like this. If you boosted some h3, BS p or n you should see the same thing after the third layer
Yes, I did boost H3 BS Provincial and National, neither of them curved anywhere close to this. like I said, about 45 degrees if I hold up the rubber with 2 fingers in the middle.

But maybe I'm using far less booster than you do
 
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Yes, I did boost H3 BS Provincial and National, neither of them curved anywhere close to this. like I said, about 45 degrees if I hold up the rubber with 2 fingers in the middle.

But maybe I'm using far less booster than you do
My H3 neo could curl up like that. However, Battle II blue sponge provincial, no way..... Neither would Sanwei Target National, Big Dipper, AK 47, etc. etc.
 
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Yes, I did boost H3 BS Provincial and National, neither of them curved anywhere close to this. like I said, about 45 degrees if I hold up the rubber with 2 fingers in the middle.

But maybe I'm using far less booster than you do
No idea , all new H3, BS I boosted they similar to this. OS and less then this but still at least half circle.
 
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Lol, I have to wait another 48 hours to let it flat . So don't worry about to glue it.
I have tried to let that thing sit there and it will never go completely flat!!! Maybe it will go flat "a bit" but still harder to glue.
 
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Yes, it's a typical dense sponge, with all what comes with it. However, I've put only 1 thin layer to make it straight, and it's OK for me.

If I wanted bouncier, I'd try DF Polestar. But since I didn't yet, take this recommendation with the usual grain of salt.
I tried the Polestar P on a guy's racket, I just forgot to tell. It's pretty much like a very nicely boosted H3N OS. Maybe even prov or national grade too. I guess the price is around provincial H3N OS so maybe it's a good bet since no one will fake DF rubbers. I really can't say much more about it than this. Maybe the topsheet is a bit softer than H3 but it felt to catch the ball better and maybe even spin the ball better on opening loops.
It's surprisingly fast too.
The guy said it had the glue layer out of the pack so very comparable to H3N.
 
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Lately, I've been experimenting with just H3N OS @ 40 degrees and I feel like dayumn.

So if anyone has been reading my rants knows that I am not a huge fan of the orange sponge H3N, but I am real sucker for the blue sponge. Well, that might just be changing...

Before I had a 40 deg "dead" H3N laying around and I boosted it with the Winion "Seamoon" booster and it became fast as hell and felt pretty good. So good I was kinda shocked.

I've been to HK and I took there my Zhou Qihao SALC blade only. My girlfriend got me some cheapo Mantra Pro's Mantra Pro M and XH and I used them for a while like that. Both are great but I felt the XH is not exactly a LAC or a D09c or a H3N. Mantra M if anything it's reminding me of a boosted G-1 and the XH would be like a boosted G-1 Hard... if it was available.

Anyway, I'm more conditioned to friction rubbers on my FH side, so I went to a shop in Wan Chai and bought a plain-as-hell commercial 40deg 2.15mm H3N orange sponge. Glued it on and it was fine. Do I wish it was faster? YES. I wished it was a lot faster, but I learned how to use to opponents' speed and spin and it was awesome.

I'm back home sadly, and I was just using my W968 with G05 and G09c and it's very good but I have been kinda struggling against pips and players who do nothing. Where I couldn't use their speed or spin. This setup is slow and wasteful. All my big efforts are for not much output. I still won my matches but I was struggling when I should've won easily against weaker opponents. Against stronger ones I was fine.

So I had my "HK" racket assembled pretty much with the commercial H3N OS and Mantra Pro M. I didn't touch the Mantra Pro M, that is fine as it is I will only touch it when it's "wasted". However, I boosted the H3 like I did before the previously mentioned dead H3N and now this one is great too.

Some observations. Is it super fast? Well yes and no. It's still not very bouncy on very light hits, and it's not very bouncy on very hard hits. But it's super bouncy on medium hits. It's like a bell curve if anything...

This bounciness is an interesting thing. To me there are several different "bouncinesses" I feel like I should make a new thread about these just because it's so controversial so I won't spoil my thoughts here :p

I feel like beating around the bush so much sometimes but without all my thoughts and experiences it's hard to convey fully what I experience.
H3N OS boosted is magic. It is stable, and lifts the ball as required. It grips and stretches depending on the power you put in it, and it does nothing if you hit the ball like you wanna "knuckle it". Sure you can do it with blue sponge too but like BS is not that elastic in my view. BS is more stable and linear and that predictability makes it more attractive on a higher level. I also think BS can be boosted easier, but it bubbles easier too.
On a fast blade like a Viscaria or even faster like Super Viscaria I think the OS makes more sense since it makes more arc and more spin than BS. Or it might be just related to the harder koto top ply rather than the whole composition.
I'll be damned if I figure this out... But more repelling fast blade and rubber with higher arc makes some sense.

Just some side thoughts, I tried a few Chinese rubbers, most of them tried to imitate BS H3 but fairly few managed to hit the mark. In fact, most failed pretty miserably.
Double Fish Volant Phoenix blue sponge for me is too soft unboosted, if I would boost it I assume it will be super soft and unusable on FH.
Tuttle G20 blue sponge... horrible rubber. No spin at all. Avoid it.
Big Dipper blue sponge is okay as it has an OK sponge and factory boost etc, but the topsheet lacks so much.
Battle 2 BS... no speed no arc... Maybe for pen players? I don't like it.
Jupiter 3, no arc, good speed, topsheet lacks spin and engagement
Loki Arthur China, good topsheet, good sponge, durability is horrible. If you can buy it for 3USD every week then it's great.
Young Shine Dingtian, hmmm, I'm on the fence on this one. I got a great sheet first from Prott in 2021 which was excellent, but after I bought more in 2023 from TTNPP those were not so hot. The topsheet feels so much different and after boosting the sponge became soft as hell. For now I would avoid however I did like my first sheet.

I get @Tony's Table Tennis stance on why H3 is the golden standard and quality and everyone else is just trying to copy them. H3 topsheet reacts great to seamoon, and both OS and BS sponge doesn't get softer but they get bouncier. And they do this while still being light and durable too.
 
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Lately, I've been experimenting with just H3N OS @ 40 degrees and I feel like dayumn.

So if anyone has been reading my rants knows that I am not a huge fan of the orange sponge H3N, but I am real sucker for the blue sponge. Well, that might just be changing...

Before I had a 40 deg "dead" H3N laying around and I boosted it with the Winion "Seamoon" booster and it became fast as hell and felt pretty good. So good I was kinda shocked.

I've been to HK and I took there my Zhou Qihao SALC blade only. My girlfriend got me some cheapo Mantra Pro's Mantra Pro M and XH and I used them for a while like that. Both are great but I felt the XH is not exactly a LAC or a D09c or a H3N. Mantra M if anything it's reminding me of a boosted G-1 and the XH would be like a boosted G-1 Hard... if it was available.

Anyway, I'm more conditioned to friction rubbers on my FH side, so I went to a shop in Wan Chai and bought a plain-as-hell commercial 40deg 2.15mm H3N orange sponge. Glued it on and it was fine. Do I wish it was faster? YES. I wished it was a lot faster, but I learned how to use to opponents' speed and spin and it was awesome.

I'm back home sadly, and I was just using my W968 with G05 and G09c and it's very good but I have been kinda struggling against pips and players who do nothing. Where I couldn't use their speed or spin. This setup is slow and wasteful. All my big efforts are for not much output. I still won my matches but I was struggling when I should've won easily against weaker opponents. Against stronger ones I was fine.

So I had my "HK" racket assembled pretty much with the commercial H3N OS and Mantra Pro M. I didn't touch the Mantra Pro M, that is fine as it is I will only touch it when it's "wasted". However, I boosted the H3 like I did before the previously mentioned dead H3N and now this one is great too.

Some observations. Is it super fast? Well yes and no. It's still not very bouncy on very light hits, and it's not very bouncy on very hard hits. But it's super bouncy on medium hits. It's like a bell curve if anything...

This bounciness is an interesting thing. To me there are several different "bouncinesses" I feel like I should make a new thread about these just because it's so controversial so I won't spoil my thoughts here :p

I feel like beating around the bush so much sometimes but without all my thoughts and experiences it's hard to convey fully what I experience.
H3N OS boosted is magic. It is stable, and lifts the ball as required. It grips and stretches depending on the power you put in it, and it does nothing if you hit the ball like you wanna "knuckle it". Sure you can do it with blue sponge too but like BS is not that elastic in my view. BS is more stable and linear and that predictability makes it more attractive on a higher level. I also think BS can be boosted easier, but it bubbles easier too.
On a fast blade like a Viscaria or even faster like Super Viscaria I think the OS makes more sense since it makes more arc and more spin than BS. Or it might be just related to the harder koto top ply rather than the whole composition.
I'll be damned if I figure this out... But more repelling fast blade and rubber with higher arc makes some sense.

Just some side thoughts, I tried a few Chinese rubbers, most of them tried to imitate BS H3 but fairly few managed to hit the mark. In fact, most failed pretty miserably.
Double Fish Volant Phoenix blue sponge for me is too soft unboosted, if I would boost it I assume it will be super soft and unusable on FH.
Tuttle G20 blue sponge... horrible rubber. No spin at all. Avoid it.
Big Dipper blue sponge is okay as it has an OK sponge and factory boost etc, but the topsheet lacks so much.
Battle 2 BS... no speed no arc... Maybe for pen players? I don't like it.
Jupiter 3, no arc, good speed, topsheet lacks spin and engagement
Loki Arthur China, good topsheet, good sponge, durability is horrible. If you can buy it for 3USD every week then it's great.
Young Shine Dingtian, hmmm, I'm on the fence on this one. I got a great sheet first from Prott in 2021 which was excellent, but after I bought more in 2023 from TTNPP those were not so hot. The topsheet feels so much different and after boosting the sponge became soft as hell. For now I would avoid however I did like my first sheet.

I get @Tony's Table Tennis stance on why H3 is the golden standard and quality and everyone else is just trying to copy them. H3 topsheet reacts great to seamoon, and both OS and BS sponge doesn't get softer but they get bouncier. And they do this while still being light and durable too.
great write up but you forgot to mention Rxton5 😂
 
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