Looking for a BH rubber that has higher throw then Rakza 7, suggestions?

[Tyce]

Unless the Rakza 7 is actually worn out, don't replace anything. Keep at it, because now you actually have a problem you can learn to fix.
If you change rubber now, it's really easy to blame lack of improvement on the rubber change. It's also hard to tell if you're actually doing better or if you just have a more tolerant rubber.

You've located a specific issue, rejoice because you now have the opportunity to work on it.

 

[NetProphet]

unfortunately, my Backhand technique isn't nearly as good as my forehand.

I'm currently playing with Rakza 7 on BH and I find that I hit the net too often, the throw of the rubber feels low (for me with my current technique).

On forehand I play with G-1, which has a higher throw, but It's not an ideal BH for me because it doesn't have that catapult effect, and I think I need that catapult effect ON BH because my BH is not powerful at all (due to technique).

Basically what I'm looking for is a rubber that has strongish catapult effect (like Rakza 7)+ higher throw then Rakza 7 + controllable for BH that allows you to improve the technique with more training.

Can you recommend such a rubber?

Honestly you'd be better served using the R7 to fix your technique because there's no real reason why this rubber shouldn't work for you.
In fact I'd say it is working for you in highlighting the deficiencies in your technique so you know what to work on.
Swapping to a higher throw may not benefit in the long term.
Rakza X is stated as higher throw although I can't say I noticed much difference myself, I actually thought it was more direct but maybe my memory fails me....
You could try the soft versions of Rakza X and Rakza 7 that are 'easier' to activate in terms of speed + spin.

 

[NetProphet]

Unless the Rakza 7 is actually worn out, don't replace anything. Keep at it, because now you actually have a problem you can learn to fix.
If you change rubber now, it's really easy to blame lack of improvement on the rubber change. It's also hard to tell if you're actually doing better or if you just have a more tolerant rubber.

You've located a specific issue, rejoice because you now have the opportunity to work on it.

Jesus, that's weird man. Your post wasn't there when I started typing. Strange we had the same though at the same time! 😂

 

[latej]

Rakza X is stated as higher throw although I can't say I noticed much difference myself, I actually thought it was more direct but maybe my memory fails me....

Not sure where/who stated it, but in my exp. Rakza X has lower through... So your feeling that it is more direct is right... You know, to voice my personal opinion - I feel I owe it to the ... ;-)

 

[NetProphet]

Not sure where/who stated it, but in my exp. Rakza X has lower through... So your feeling that it is more direct is right... You know, to voice my personal opinion - I feel I owe it to the ... ;-)

Yeah. I was looking at this photo and not sure I agree with it. But I'd love to stick an X and a 7 on a blade now to find out!

 

[joshmak10]

A lot of hybrid rubbers tend to be higher throwing. I haven't tried it myself but maybe C48 or C45 from Andro could do you well. Maybe even NUZN 50

 

[K.K]

+1 too on fastarc C-1. it basically what you described and a perfect backhand rubber.
but if you really want to go for high throw and catapult then try omega v tour or tenergy 05.

most modern rubbers besides hybrids have mostly lower throw. and with hybrids you have not the catapult you wanted

 

[Nash77]

+1 too on fastarc C-1. it basically what you described and a perfect backhand rubber.
but if you really want to go for high throw and catapult then try omega v tour or tenergy 05.

most modern rubbers besides hybrids have mostly lower throw. and with hybrids you have not the catapult you wanted

Would you say C1 has more catapult then G1?

How would you describe the difference between G1 and C1?

I'm not sure why people prefer C1 on backhand over G1? I didn't feel G1 is hard to control..so why prefer the slower C1? Assuming C1 is slower

 

[K.K]

Would you say C1 has more catapult then G1?

How would you describe the difference between G1 and C1?

I'm not sure why people prefer C1 on backhand over G1? I didn't feel G1 is hard to control..so why prefer the slower C1? Assuming C1 is slower

more catapult that starts earlier (still a lot less compared to modern rubbers)
easier to generate spin but not that high peak like g-1
a bit lower throw that makes backhand techniques easier

backhand stroke is more compact, the timing is harder and therefore it less likely to generate the same power as on forehand. softer rubber help with that because easier to activate spin and speed

 

[Nash77]

more catapult that starts earlier (still a lot less compared to modern rubbers)
easier to generate spin but not that high peak like g-1
a bit lower throw that makes backhand techniques easier

backhand stroke is more compact, the timing is harder and therefore it less likely to generate the same power as on forehand. softer rubber help with that because easier to activate spin and speed

Appreciate the info.

I guess C1 is worth the try considering it's not expensive and durable.

Sounds like a rubber I could work with to improve BH technique, maybe a better fit for me then rakza7 or G1 on BH.

Don't expect it to solve my issue, just hoping it would feel more natural and help me slowly improve BH

 

[ayush_vrma]

I tend to agree with everything you said, fundamentally.

BUT -

I don't think it's a black or white issue. True - the key thing is for me to improve my topspin generating ability on BH. BUT, at the same time - a higher throwing rubber might help at the moment, and might be more suitable for me going forward.

I don't think you have to have perfect technique before you can consider a change in rubber, if a certain rubber feels like a less then ideal fit for you.

When I switched sides for a few minutes and played with G-1 on BH - I didn't have any issues with spin or hitting the net anymore. (I did miss the catapult effect though) So my theory is maybe G-1 is a better fit for my current natural BH technique (un-perfect as it is), and the focus should be to play with G-1 (or any other high throw rubber) on BH - and worry about producing more power even without the catapult effect that Rakza 7 brings.

Does that make sense?

This is a patch fix. If you feel you earned or fixed few pointers from equipment you will definately loose few pointers on other occassions ( like , flick,smash or pushes). And again have to readjust for it.

Try to stick with it for 6 months understand. Practice the same spin and balls again and again and again. Same drills. When you gain that memory.

Otherwise it will bring it to the same notion.

- New equipment again. ( Patch fixing issues and then again changing technique)

FYI my backhand is weak too. I came from a no BH , to BH chops , then BH blocks , now at BH counterattacks, and a bit of spin on third ball attacks.

Now trying to execute BH flicks on Backspin serves.

Guess my rubber: 3 years Rakza 7 2.0. Just changed a sheet.

MY BH trajectory : Sriver EL> Andro Hexer Duro >Rakza 7.

n m not gonna move out of Rakza 7 trajectory unless I can conquer every shot with it. Atleast learn the basics of the shots. Even tho my accuracy will suffer initially it will get better with time.

- Options:

Might be possible the blade is faster or something, like carbon or less dwell time for that you maybe need a slower rubber or something.

 

[ZFT]

The rubbers the OP currently plays and prefers are from approx. the same ESN generation - typically containing more natural gum %, thicker and/or stiffer topsheet, and not as crazily factory boosted on the sponge, the exception being Tibhar Evolution. Hence, the grippy jap tensioned type within Fastarc, Rakza and Vega series are all quite durable.

From this gen, Donic Barracuda was known as being extremely high throw, though offset by being quite spin sensitive and a little less durable due to having more factory tuning.

If OP can accept the spin sensitivity, it may solve the higher trajectory question, though @ayush_vrma and others are right to point out it may introduce other issues.

The trade off may be worth it though 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[ayush_vrma]

Very true. Although, I may not be that experienced to answer that question maybe.

But I do understand Technique > Gear
(equipment)

The only trade of :

Right technique = right equipment

More bouncy rubbers = forgive your shots. (Errors) (Just not too bouncy ones like tenergy).

I myself am looking for a FH rubber since long which has that natural gum feel as ( softer topsheet) deeply feeling, for me to loop the shots around create devastating spins like Rakza 7. Just with more power.

Prefer the catapult on Rakza 7. But Rozena 2.1 was just too much bouncy.

Maybe I'll go for Rozena 1.9mm this time.

Or Omega VII Pro 2.0mm ( heard it has the natural rubber topsheet too).. ( Xiom Vega asia)

 

[ZFT]

Goldarc 8 I found was a more powerful version of R7, though abit lower throw.

Lasts a long time too.

It just performed terribly if the conditions were not pristine. Affected by cold and humidity.

 

[W3R]

just my two cents on G1 - C1, I use this setup for a couple months and they are pretty similar in throw angle, at least that's what I feel. C1 is a bit softer but there isn't a particularly big difference in either catapult or high throw, they have similar feel ~ linear ~ low catapult.. (at least on my blade and in my perception)

Having said that still a bit easier to use on BH than G1 and I like this combo, just don't expect too much difference.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Donic Baracuda!