Recordings of me playing with my senior

[PenHoldSandro]

Hello guys so let me give a recap on the game yesterday.

I played from 2.30 to 7.30 yesterday, and played around with a couple of people and two boys from their primary school's school team.

I followed the advice about the much less backswing and made effort to start the swing from slightly front of my thigh and keep myself much lower(which I found i needed with this new stroke to keep it not going out of the table). I found tho that I suddenly start struggling to play with my current bat set up with this stroke. It keeps going out and even lowering my body as much as I could I cant get it to arc onto the table. My forehand and backhand blocks too started to suffer. Only my rpb improved slightly. Overall it seems to have made it worse. The stroke went through and contacted the ball in front of me and ended up with the bat right infront of me in a sort of salute. I believe I have done it correctly by then.

Switching over to my old bat, a jpen with now not very good condition double fish volant, I found that it's now improved, much more speed and I could get it crack every time. Shoto also lands on the table right at the edge, pushing them back to unleash to speedy forehand. I suddenly felt more confident and accurate with speed on the older set up, and my miyabi now seemed inferior. Why?

I have a feeling it had something to do with fingers placement. The larger rounder head of the miyabi meant that the wings of the blade were wider. This resulted in it being harder to close the bat angle, thus more ball fly out otherwise. Plus, right from the start, tpb was not as good as the jpen, but with the ability for rpb it may have compensated.

I found that once the opponent figured out and give half long balls, I can't get rpb in. So is it a good idea to further practice and try with my rpb miyabi or go back to my yinhe jpen?

Btw I added a cork and tape at the back of my old bat when I removed the long pimps. It's ugly, but gets the job done.View attachment 35225View attachment 35226

Firstly, are there any videos?

If there are none, I suggest post some xd.

Anyway, the problem seems to be that new technique of yours. Fastarc G1 is good at control, so it flying out is because of the technique itself. After reading the technique again... why are you putting your racket in front of the thigh? It should be more to the side, cuz when I felt it I can give like 0 power because of my arm placement.

For the blocking starting to suffer, how? Is it because you went lower?

Anyway, there is no way we can know the problem without a video, so take my claim with a grain of salt.

For tips:
Relax your body, let your arms go to where they want.
Posture may be off since you went lower, maybe lean forward too?

Thank you

 

[olive-nguyen]

Firstly, are there any videos?

If there are none, I suggest post some xd.

Anyway, the problem seems to be that new technique of yours. Fastarc G1 is good at control, so it flying out is because of the technique itself. After reading the technique again... why are you putting your racket in front of the thigh? It should be more to the side, cuz when I felt it I can give like 0 power because of my arm placement.

For the blocking starting to suffer, how? Is it because you went lower?

Anyway, there is no way we can know the problem without a video, so take my claim with a grain of salt.

For tips:
Relax your body, let your arms go to where they want.
Posture may be off since you went lower, maybe lean forward too?

Thank you

About starting point of stroke, it's on the side, but slightly to the front. I followed the ryu ryu seung min instructional videos, and he said stroke should start from the side a bit to the front. I have even practiced in front if the mirror. Somehow it's still flying our, and I need the bat angle much more closed, but closing it became restrained from the larger wings of this round head jpen. And if done so, I loose significant spin. This was not a problem using my old bat. The new stroke improved it.

I do rotate my shoulders a bit to the side, and the thrust out action, but doesn't work with the miyabi. I have tried quite a lot for about an hour yesterday, but to no avail.

About blocking staying lower made it hard for me to close my bat, so some balls fly out from the table edge. It also doesn't have that bit of topspin from the bat angle to make it curve down slightly to hit the table. I felt it became unstable when using the miyabi.

No problem of blocking as such with my old jpen.

In the end I think it comes down to the wings of the bat. The wider wing cord from being a round head made it slightly harder to control, even with fastarc g-1.

I will try leaning forward next time.

So far, it seemed this new technique improved it for my old jpen but made it worse for me using my miyabi.

 

[olive-nguyen]

After watching this video and the comments I realised what I was doing wrong:

I've always been playing Chinese rubbers, first DHS PF4 then Double Fish Volant 1. Afterwards then I switched to Tensor Fastarc. My sroke had always been more upwards and even one I tried yesterday ended high. Hence it goes off the edge of the table. I don't have such issues with rpb because it's a new technique so the tensor backhand shaped the technique from the start, hence not much issues.

I'm not sure I want to evolve to tensor rubbers. Still prefer tacky chinese rubbers, much as I like fastarc for short game.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

I've always been playing Chinese rubbers, first DHS PF4 then Double Fish Volant 1. Afterwards then I switched to Tensor Fastarc. My sroke had always been more upwards and even one I tried yesterday ended high. Hence it goes off the edge of the table. I don't have such issues with rpb because it's a new technique so the tensor backhand shaped the technique from the start, hence not much issues.

For this situation, dont blame the rubbers. When you first bought the racket it felt good, right? The problem is the technique change man, either remove it or keep using until mastered. Your choice bro.

Just think about the difference between your old and new technique, and figure out why the new one doesnt work as well.

Good luck bro, you can do it

 

[olive-nguyen]

Will have to try.
Have to wait and practice for it to click.

 

[olive-nguyen]

Hello everyone, today I had a good game with @ettk75 at Tampines Hub. Had a friendly game for quite awhile. @ettk75 would you mind sharing your experience?

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Hello everyone, today I had a good game with @ettk75 at Tampines Hub. Had a friendly game for quite awhile. @ettk75 would you mind sharing your experience?

How was your game? Do you have videos? 1st time I've seen a crossover like this!

 

[olive-nguyen]

How was your game? Do you have videos? 1st time I've seen a crossover like this!

Hello Sandro, so we met up at 6, and had a friendly game. Mostly exchanged pinions of reading szpin and serve receive. Tried shake and for awhile and gave up, cause i sadly can’t even hit the table

Then, i played with one of his friends, and had another friendly match going for awhile. @ettk75 played with one of the other uncles there too.

We then swap positions and i played with ettk75 again. Continued with the game. He has very nice reflexes and i was surprised when my third ball rpb attack comes right back out of reach onto my table. Guess i need to hit it more towards the elbow to score, as it leaves me weak.

Afterwards, i played with the other old uncle, a pen, and he taught me about rpb. He did multiball “with a single ball“ with me, and told me to hit at the third position for practice meaning when the ball falls right below the table edge, to build the snap of the wrist to curve the ball over. This exercise was hard, but he said it will build the timing to be able to consistently hit high quality rpb. Then, we trained a bit on rpb off the bounce, so that as i play i know how to adjust the bat angle to cope with the speed, spin and how deep is the serve, push. I very much appreciated this as I always had to bounce the ball on the floor to practice rpb, without a partner, hence being unable to train to do so with spin.

Sadly, I didn’t record videos of our encounter, and even though i brought my tripod, when it came down to the game I forgotten about it.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Hello Sandro, so we met up at 6, and had a friendly game. Mostly exchanged pinions of reading szpin and serve receive. Tried shake and for awhile and gave up, cause i sadly can’t even hit the table

I see, you don't need to use shake 😂, it just gives you a good starting point. To improve more on RPB, get a coach.

We then swap positions and i played with ettk75 again. Continued with the game. He has very nice reflexes and i was surprised when my third ball rpb attack comes right back out of reach onto my table. Guess i need to hit it more towards the elbow to score, as it leaves me weak.

It just looks like you need to add more power in. In all the videos, your RPB is still pretty slow (ofc not tryna offend you, just saying you need to work on it!)

Afterwards, i played with the other old uncle, a pen, and he taught me about rpb. He did multiball “with a single ball“ with me, and told me to hit at the third position for practice meaning when the ball falls right below the table edge, to build the snap of the wrist to curve the ball over. This exercise was hard, but he said it will build the timing to be able to consistently hit high quality rpb. Then, we trained a bit on rpb off the bounce, so that as i play i know how to adjust the bat angle to cope with the speed, spin and how deep is the serve, push. I very much appreciated this as I always had to bounce the ball on the floor to practice rpb, without a partner, hence being unable to train to do so with spin.

Woah, thats nice of the uncle. Keep training like that, better if you train with that uncle!

Sadly, I didn’t record videos of our encounter, and even though i brought my tripod, when it came down to the game I forgotten about it.

No worries, just keep playing and keep enjoying!

 

[olive-nguyen]

Just went through the old vids and found this smooth unintentional roller.

20250328_173638_1.mp4

drive.google.com

If this came in an around the net it would be good. Like Niwa's roller or maybe Joo's.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Just went through the old vids and found this smooth unintentional roller.

20250328_173638_1.mp4

drive.google.com

If this came in an around the net it would be good. Like Niwa's roller or maybe Joo's.

The most surprising thing is you guys playing again right after. I would just be standing there for the next ten seconds 😂

 

[olive-nguyen]

The most surprising thing is you guys playing again right after. I would just be standing there for the next ten seconds 😂

I didn't realise that was a roller during play hahahaha

 

[PenHoldSandro]

I didn't realise that was a roller during play hahahaha

Really locked in, no? Whos the enemy causing you to lock in so badly?

 

[ettk75]

Hello everyone, today I had a good game with @ettk75 at Tampines Hub. Had a friendly game for quite awhile. @ettk75 would you mind sharing your experience?

Hello everyone, today I had a good game with @ettk75 at Tampines Hub. Had a friendly game for quite awhile. @ettk75 would you mind sharing your experience?

@olive-nguyen yeah I enjoyed the game that day and in fact, I am surprised you are so much better haha…I gotta learn from you more. 😅

 

[PenHoldSandro]

@olive-nguyen yeah I enjoyed the game that day and in fact, I am surprised you are so much better haha…I gotta learn from you more. 😅

Wowzers! Explain more bro, we gotta hear your side

 

[ettk75]

Wowzers! Explain more bro, we gotta hear your side

Well I am comparing myself to him. He has the basics well in him and even share some tips with me using terms I hardly heard before (maybe I am really new beginner). He has great passion to learn more and good start at his age. I wish I started playing TT early. 😅

Keep it up @olive-nguyen !

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Well I am comparing myself to him. He has the basics well in him and even share some tips with me using terms I hardly heard before (maybe I am really new beginner). He has great passion to learn more and good start at his age. I wish I started playing TT early. 😅

Keep it up @olive-nguyen !

What're the tips he gave you?

Absolutely! Olive looks like hes in a greaf position in the game by this point, he can still choose what path to take, and hes got all the basics down (not mastered, but well)

 

[ettk75]

What're the tips he gave you?

Absolutely! Olive looks like hes in a greaf position in the game by this point, he can still choose what path to take, and hes got all the basics down (not mastered, but well)

Like how to return his serves which I think should be a back or side spin serve (me still not good at guessing the opponent’s serve).
Btw @PenHoldSandro do you know him as close friends or from this forum or where? Just curious.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Like how to return his serves which I think should be a back or side spin serve (me still not good at guessing the opponent’s serve).
Btw @PenHoldSandro do you know him as close friends or from this forum or where? Just curious.

I know him just from this forum, I chat him decently often, if I or he needs to

For receiving serves, I always attack if I know it's topspin, defend if backspin

 

[olive-nguyen]

Really locked in, no? Whos the enemy causing you to lock in so badly?

Haha. No its just someone who i regularly play with at the local CC