ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup Macao 2025, 4/14-20

[zeio]

Grp3 M2
WYD 1-3 YJN (2, -8, -5, -8)

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

WYD in big trouble... She lost 1-3 to YJN. She needs to win 4-0 vs. Jieni Shao. Either way, this is a really bad look for her losing to a foreign competitor not from Japan even.

 

[driversbeat]

Finally a big win for Yuan Jia Nan after a long period of lackluster results.
If I'm not mistaken Yuan will make it out of the group if Shao Jieni wins one game tomorrow.

WYD in big trouble... She lost 1-3 to YJN. She needs to win 4-0 vs. Jieni Shao. Either way, this is a really bad look for her losing to a foreign competitor not from Japan even.

Not really a massive surprise considering how close their previous encounter was. Of course that was in 2022 which was probably YJN's best career year ever.

 

[bo7tableteniis]

does anyone know how many points Yidi will need to win tomorrow in order to qualify? or does she only need the 4-0 win?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

does anyone know how many points Yidi will need to win tomorrow in order to qualify? or does she only need the 4-0 win?

she is currently -3 in points.

she need to win 4-0. If she wins all 4 by 2 points, she will end up higher. so wining 4-0 is enough (since -3 overcome-able)

should YJN had won 1 more game, then WYD is out

 

[bo7tableteniis]

she is currently -3 in points.

she need to win 4-0. If she wins all 4 by 2 points, she will end up higher. so wining 4-0 is enough (since -3 overcome-able)

should YJN had won 1 more game, then WYD is out

Ah very interesting. Thank you for clarifying

 

[Catenaccio]

I think WYD might be out already, but I might be wrong. Even if she wins 4:0 tomorrow, she will be 5:3 in terms of GW:GL and tied with YJN. In that case, iirc the tiebreaker is the match between WYD and YJN, which YJN won. Last year there was some confusion whether Harimoto or Groth had made it out of the group and it depended on that detail.

 

[Catenaccio]

After reading the regulations, it's not clear to me...

3.11. "Final ranking will be determined in terms of Regulation 3.7.5, excluding match points, and based solely on the ratios of wins to losses first in games and then points, as far as is necessary to resolve the order."

3.7.5.1 In a group, or "round robin", competition, all members of the group shall compete against each other and shall gain 2 match points for a win, 1 for a loss in a played match and 0 for a loss in an unplayed or unfinished match; the ranking order shall be determined primarily by the number of match points gained. If a player is defaulted after the completion of a match for any reason, he or she shall be deemed to have lost the match, which shall subsequently be recorded as a loss in an unplayed match. [I THINK THAT THIS PART DOES NOT APPLY SINCE WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF 2:2]

3.7.5.2 "If two or more members of the group have gained the same number of match points their relative positions shall be determined only by the results of the matches between them, by considering successively the numbers of match points, the ratios of wins to losses first in individual matches (for a team event), games and points, as far as is necessary to resolve the order."

 

[turbozed]

Last time he did that was a very long time ago. He has beaten a lot of people's faves here using simple pendulum serves only.

And for those raving about how a lower ranked player could easily receive WCQ serves, Which is it? Are his serves easy to receive or difficult to receive? I'm sure the narrative when he beats someone's star guy tomorrow will be "his serves are so difficult to receive."

Not sure how any of this is responsive to my comment.

As you mention, he's abandoned his hook serves recently. That's indeed a fact.

Another fact is that it was one of his most effective serves. I'd even go far as to say it was one of the most effective serves in conversion ratio in the entire sport. That's just a fact as well.

You can talk to the other poster about his serve being easy to receive. I didn't make that comment. You are talking to two different people, that's why you're confused. There was nothing inconsistent about my comment.

Aside from being somewhat facetious about potentially forgetting to use the pendulum serve anymore, all I stated were facts.

You seem to have noticed that he stopped using his hook serve recently and only uses pendulums. This is now your observation, not mine. May I ask why you think he's done that?

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

After reading the regulations, it's not clear to me...

3.11. "Final ranking will be determined in terms of Regulation 3.7.5, excluding match points, and based solely on the ratios of wins to losses first in games and then points, as far as is necessary to resolve the order."

3.7.5.2 "If two or more members of the group have gained the same number of match points their relative positions shall be determined only by the results of the matches between them, by considering successively the numbers of match points, the ratios of wins to losses first in individual matches (for a team event), games and points, as far as is necessary to resolve the order."

I agree it's very confusing because of the clause "excluding match points"... Match points are 2 for a win and 1 for a loss. But the match points doesn't consider the case of 2-2. So perhaps that's why they say excluding (or as I read it ignoring) match points and go solely by GW, if tie then go PW. In that case if WYD wins 4-0, then it's 5-5 tie in GW with YJN, but WYD 32+44 vs YJN 71.

 

[Brs]

WYD really did not enjoy that high-toss serve. I fear poor Jieni Shao will pay the price.

 

[turbozed]

Finally a big win for Yuan Jia Nan after a long period of lackluster results.
If I'm not mistaken Yuan will make it out of the group if Shao Jieni wins one game tomorrow.
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Not really a massive surprise considering how close their previous encounter was. Of course that was in 2022 which was probably YJN's best career year ever.

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Wasn't YJN out for a few months due to injury? Not surprising she'd have some lackluster matches coming back from injury.

It's just good to see her back in form again and beating elite Chinese competition. The high toss serve and FH smash is always fun to watch.

 

[Shine]

Not sure how any of this is responsive to my comment.

As you mention, he's abandoned his hook serves recently. That's indeed a fact.

Another fact is that it was one of his most effective serves. I'd even go far as to say it was one of the most effective serves in conversion ratio in the entire sport. That's just a fact as well.

You can talk to the other poster about his serve being easy to receive. I didn't make that comment. You are talking to two different people, that's why you're confused. There was nothing inconsistent about my comment.

Aside from being somewhat facetious about potentially forgetting to use the pendulum serve anymore, all I stated were facts.

You seem to have noticed that he stopped using his pendulum serve recently and only uses pendulums. This is now your observation, not mine. May I ask why you think he's done that?

"Recently" is pushing it.
I can address two posters under a comment especially if both comments are somewhat interrelated and a continuity of a often repeated theme about a person or thing. That's completely rational.

Besides, I use the phrase "And for those" - meaning I was addressing others. Not sure what's confusing about that to you, you tell me. Did you read what I wrote properly? Why so defensive?

He's not been using his hook serves because he doesn't want to. What more is there to it. You've got background info you'd like to let us in on?

 

[Catenaccio]

I agree it's very confusing because of the clause "excluding match points"... Match points are 2 for a win and 1 for a loss. But the match points doesn't consider the case of 2-2. So perhaps that's why they say excluding (or as I read it ignoring) match points and go solely by GW, if tie then go PW. In that case if WYD wins 4-0, then it's 5-5 tie in GW with YJN, but WYD 32+44 vs YJN 71.

it depends on

(1) the ratio of games won to games lost and then
(2) the ratio of points won to points lost

The question is if they take into account the matches with Jieni Shao or not. Last year, it was initially announced that Groth had made it out of the group because he and Harimoto were tied 5:3 in terms of GW:GL, but Groth had the better ratio in terms of PW to PL (taking into account the matches with Gacina). However, if you only consider the Groth - Harimoto match, Harimoto had the better ratio and he ultimately went through. I am not sure if the regulation has changed compared to last year.

 

[zeio]

Finally a big win for Yuan Jia Nan after a long period of lackluster results.
If I'm not mistaken Yuan will make it out of the group if Shao Jieni wins one game tomorrow.
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Not really a massive surprise considering how close their previous encounter was. Of course that was in 2022 which was probably YJN's best career year ever.

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WYD is already out. Even if she wins in 4 straight games tomorrow for a 2-way tie with YJN (both 5-3 in game ratio), she still loses to YJN in games which is 1-3 (their results against Shao Jieni are disregarded). Shao Jieni will advance if she beats WYD 3-1 tomorrow because of better point ratio over YJN, 39-36.

王艺迪: 袁嘉楠你最好盼着我不是个小心眼 (WYD: You'd better watch your back, YJN)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9646455572
绵羊wi 大迪:虽然我已经出局，明天还要打这该死的没有意义的比赛。但我决定着你和邵杰妮的生死，你最好盼着我不是个爱记仇的人，略施演技或直接摆烂0:4或1:3输给邵杰妮，我出不来线你也别想出线。
P.S: 从这个角度看，这赛程是真挺恶心🤢
IP属地:辽宁来自Android客户端1楼2025-04-15 18:11回复
Big Di: Although I'm out, I still have to play this damn meaningless match tomorrow. But it is me who decides life and death between you and Shao Jieni, you better hope that I'm not a grudge-bearing person, and I'll use some acting skills or just bai lan [TL's note: let it rot] and lose to Shao Jieni 0-4 or 1-3. If I can't get out of the group, then you'll go down with me.
P.S: From this perspective, this format is really disgusting🤢

 

[GAOdp]

ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup Macao 2025: Enhanced Table Tennis Review System to Feature

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[boretennis]

how relaxing it is to not have bobrow as commentator

 

[Brs]

Bergstrom cannot win this match 3 - 1 like YJN, but she is giving Manyu a hella good workout. Euro women showing good fight today.

 

[Janard]

WMY looks like she would struggle against Hashimoto too

 

[turbozed]

"Recently" is pushing it.
I can address two posters under a comment especially if both comments are somewhat interrelated and a continuity of a often repeated theme about a person or thing. That's completely rational.

Besides, I use the phrase "And for those" - meaning I was addressing others. Not sure what's confusing about that to you, you tell me. Did you read what I wrote properly? Why so defensive?

He's not been using his hook serves because he doesn't want to. What more is there to it. You've got background info you'd like to let us in on?

When you reply to my comment, I'm assuming you're responding to me directly. You must understand it gets confusing when I get a reply notification and I read your comment and almost none of it seems directly to address what I said. That's why I asked for clarification.

So thank you for confirming that you're actually just using my comment as a springboard to complain about other nameless people. I guess it 'those' people bothered you enough and somehow my comment reminded you of them? Again, these are things you cannot reasonably expect me to piece together on my own because they relate to your own state of mind and personal experiences which I know nothing about. So if you're confused about my confusion, that's the explanation.