New Andro NUZN 48 and 45

[Airoc]

From all the hybrid rubbers I´ve tried - beginning with earliest BlueGrip via K3 and Rakza Z to v20 DE or Vega Pro H - NUZN 50 offered the best mixture of properties. Not too much China feeling, just that little bit extra control over the table, while at the same time on active strokes - topspin and counter topspin - you don´t have to go all in.
That for me results in unrivalled precision. NUZN 48 offers all that with a little less power.

So please understand I won´t even go near trying to say it has more x than rubber A while less y than rubber B, it´s the overall feeling that does it for me, combined with longevity comparable to normal Tensor rubbers, which is also not common for hybrid rubbers.

For a general comparison, you might want to refer to Tibhar Hybrid MK. Both excellent rubbers below the levels of the respective flagship hybrids of NUZN 50 or K3.

 

[Creek]

What about low end catapult? 48 earlier and easier to activate than 50? I struggled with 50 on bh due to that

 

[Airoc]

I think the overall feeling is similar, but the softer sponge might help. Unfortunately I don´t have a NUZN 50 on the same racket to make more detailed comparisons.

 

[MsBonky]

Would you say that the nuzn 45 ist harder or easier to play than c45?

 

[Airoc]

NUZN 45 will not be available before mid-August.

Generally, NUZN rubbers have a different feeling than C-Rasanter rubbers. The character is less "Chinese" with an overall feeling closer to a normal Tensor rubber.
To simplify, and please read with caution: NUZN has the advantages of C-Rasanter in touch play and anything "over the table", while in open game it behaves more like Rasanter.

This btw is something I really enjoy about these rubbers. Other hybrid rubbers, especially the first one, I feel are just sticky topsheets with a Tensor sponge stuck together without much further thinking. NUZN really offers "best of both worlds" feeling.

 

[MsBonky]

I think i already tried the Nuzn 45 and Nuzn 48, but how is the spin in comparison to c45

 

[MsBonky]

The staff at Schöler Micke accidentally gave me Rackets with the unreleased nuzn 45, i even have pictures i can send later

 

[po-stit]

The staff at Schöler Micke accidentally gave me Rackets with the unreleased nuzn 45, i even have pictures i can send later

So can you give some impressions?

 

[Airoc]

but how is the spin in comparison to c45

I think the maximum spin potential of NUZN rubbers is even higher than that of C Rasanters.

But not many players can access the maximum, and for most amateurs it´s rather the ease with which they can create spin. A soft rubber might produce more spin in the hands of a lower league player than a hard rubber, while the better player will be able to activate more of the harder rubber´s potential.

As NUZN is closer to a "normal" Tensor I would probably achieve a higher level of spin with NUZN because it gives more support through catapult than a C-Rasanter, and thinking back to Rasanter C 48 which I played a while ago, from memory this is the case.

But at the end of the day you´d need to find out yourself.

 

[MsBonky]

So can you give some impressions?

i could but i dont have anything to compare to other than hexer grip

 

[Metaxa]

I am considering replacing my rubbers for the new season. I have been playing with a Gewo Hype XT Pro 40.0 (spin: 125, which is a great rubber for generating spin) on my forehand and an Andro Hexer grip SFX (spin: 121) on my backhand for a very long time. Both are 1.9 versions.
For now, I would like to keep my backhand, but we are considering trying an Andro Nuzn 48 (spin: 135) on my forehand or waiting for a Nuzn 45, but there is no spin data available for that yet, so I can't really compare it to my current rubbers. Another option would be to switch to a Gewo Inventus XT Pro 47.5, but the technical data for this one is also still quite limited and then I have to switch to 2.0 thickness.

 

[vossi39]

Well. You will experience that the catalogue values are not a good indicator for performance in real world. Comparing rubbers within the same brand might work to some extend, but totally fails across brands.

The rubbers you are looking at, are way harder than the rubbers you use today and if you are able to generate more spin with harder rubbers is highly dependent on your technique. To generate the same amount of spin with a harder rubber requires a shorter and quicker stroke. When you master this, the spin gets higher the quicker you are able to accelerate. This is where softer rubbers fail in the long run. They limit your spin development and this is why better players tend to harder sponges in the end. Where your personal sponge hardness sweet spot is (amount of spin generated with the max. acceleration you are able to produce) to be determined. But this can not be found in the catalogue values.

 

[Airoc]

+1 to what vossi39 wrote

Also, switching from soft 40 degree Tensor rubbers to harder hybrid rubbers should generally be well considered. It could be a step forward, but it will be different and will need some getting used to.

Maybe stepping up a little bit in forehand hardness would be a good idea without going hybrid at the same time. My recommendation: andro Rasanter R42. Whatever the catalogue might say, this rubber can generate more spin than that Hype XT. But like vossi39 said, if you can generate more spin with it you will see.

Btw don´t worry about 1,9 or 2,0 - the numbers are not necessarily totally exact and they vary, so your 1,9 mm rubber from brand A might actually have a thicker sponge than a 2,0 mm rubber from brand B. And even if the thicknesses are totally accurate, the difference isn´t really worth thinking about it.

 

[Metaxa]

Well. You will experience that the catalogue values are not a good indicator for performance in real world. Comparing rubbers within the same brand might work to some extend, but totally fails across brands.

The rubbers you are looking at, are way harder than the rubbers you use today and if you are able to generate more spin with harder rubbers is highly dependent on your technique. To generate the same amount of spin with a harder rubber requires a shorter and quicker stroke. When you master this, the spin gets higher the quicker you are able to accelerate. This is where softer rubbers fail in the long run. They limit your spin development and this is why better players tend to harder sponges in the end. Where your personal sponge hardness sweet spot is (amount of spin generated with the max. acceleration you are able to produce) to be determined. But this can not be found in the catalogue values.

Yes, I know that. Two years ago, I tried replacing the Gewo Hype XT with a Rakza Z and a Victus V22, but at that time I was still using an Andro inner carbon, and that wasn't a success.
So last year we switched back to an Andro All-wood and put the softer rubbers back on. In fact, we've been playing with soft rubbers all our lives, and I'm still doing well despite my age. Old-style topspin (i.e. with a long movement, fine sensitivity, less speed, less power). Gosh, maybe I shouldn't change anything, but I still have the microbe to try something else to see if I can do even better.

 

[Metaxa]

+1 to what vossi39 wrote

Also, switching from soft 40 degree Tensor rubbers to harder hybrid rubbers should generally be well considered. It could be a step forward, but it will be different and will need some getting used to.

Maybe stepping up a little bit in forehand hardness would be a good idea without going hybrid at the same time. My recommendation: andro Rasanter R42. Whatever the catalogue might say, this rubber can generate more spin than that Hype XT. But like vossi39 said, if you can generate more spin with it you will see.

Btw don´t worry about 1,9 or 2,0 - the numbers are not necessarily totally exact and they vary, so your 1,9 mm rubber from brand A might actually have a thicker sponge than a 2,0 mm rubber from brand B. And even if the thicknesses are totally accurate, the difference isn´t really worth thinking about it.

That's right. A long time ago, I played with a Ransant Beat (I've always been a big Andro fan) on my BH, and I thought we also tested a Rasanter R42 on the FH, but I can't remember why we didn't keep it and ended up with the Gewo Hype.
Maybe we could try the RR42 again. The actual intention is to generate a little more/easier spin with slightly (but not too much) faster movements/balls.

 

[Pidoa]

Nuzn 48 is on sale on TT11 this week

 

[Pidoa]

Did a small session with Nuzn 48 on both sides and an Andro Novacell off/s

Can’t provide weight due to me noe owning a scale.

First impressions is that it felt softer than 48 degrees, maybe closer to 45. Its very fast when driving into the ball and very spinny. On passive strokes was slower than my Nuzn 50 but i suspect that might be due to two different blades used (VCI vs Novacell off/s).

Gonna have to use it some more to get a proper feel for rallys and open play.

Probably the biggest question is; is buying andro Nuzn 50 worth the money when Nuzn 48 exists. It depends on the durability of the Nuzn 48.

My Nuzn 50 which is 4 almost 5 months old now seems barely used except for where i keep my thumb and pointer finger when playing. This is with around an average of 5 hours of play each week in addition to 4 weekends of tournaments.

For intermediate players andro nuzn 48 will either become a staple for those who want to use a hybrid on fh and a tensor on bh or it will be a good Bh option for those who want hybrid on both sides with nuzn 50 on fh.

Will update once i get to play more with it.

 

[beeray1]

I also took advantage of the TT11 sale and bought a couple sheets of NUZN48. Played with it today side by side with an older version of the same blade that had NUZN50 both sides.

Noticed before playing that just looking at the rubbers side on comparing the Red 50 with the red 48, the topsheet does appear to be formulated differently. The 50 is completely opaque, but the 48 is translucent. But looking at the hitting surface they look the same, so this was interesting to see. I'm not someone that weighs rubber, but I do wish they were a little heavier.

To me it plays super close to Hybrid MK but likely has more durability. I liked it a lot on the backhand side. But either way - it felt very very stable and balanced. But it has that feeling similar to Hybrid MK where if I give the ball more oomph, I feel like I hit a weird cushy limit. If you told me it has the exact same sponge as Hybrid MK I'd believe you.

Switching to 50 I immediately felt like I could give the ball more and trust it. The flip side is that with 50, I feel like you have to play actively with it, whereas with the 48 I was more comfortable just feeling the ball onto the table sometimes which I like to do. I'm going to give it some more time, but I don't see myself using it on the forehand side over MK pro. I could see it on my backhand potentially though.

 

[stephan]

NUZN 45 is now also available, at least at Schöler Micke.

 

[Metaxa]

NUZN 45 is now also available, at least at Schöler Micke.

Earlier than expected then.