Just Butterfly Glayzer (on backhand)

[Zwill]

Great, thanks for the response. So, I am assuming it would work equally well on the ZQH90 Blade as well? I guess you were using it before.

Yes, I think it will work just fine. I don't remember if I used it on the ZQ90, maybe i have but I used it on similar blades and it works great on Vis type blades.

That's the oposite of my impression with the glayzer on BH. Granted my backhand is not my strongest skill but it felt too bouncy, mainly compared to the Mantra Pro M. Grip is indeed amazing. Might try it again.

For sure Glayzer is harder to use than Mantra Pro on BH, the topsheet is harder, the sponge is a bit harder. One really needs to make the Glayzer topsheet work (get stretched) be it push or topspin or loop to do its thing. If someone can't do that I'm sure Mantra Pro is better suitable.

I remember when I switched from V15 or Mantra Pro to Glayzer it felt hard and deflective. After using it for a while now it feels actually quite soft. And I'm not saying it got broken in, I just got used to it.

 

[doppelmoral]

can anyone comment on the durability of glayzer? is it similar to dignics? how many hours does it last?

 

[kapahoo]

Only had one sheet but it seems very durable.

 

[doppelmoral]

do you guys use 1.9 or 2.1 glayzer on backhand?

 

[latej]

Durability is good, above average, better than O7P. If you like O7P, chances are high, you'll enjoy Glayzer. I use 2.1 (max), BH only.

 

[Zwill]

Durability I pretty similar to Dignics. I only used 2.1mm myself from both.

 

[Angerer]

can anyone comment on the durability of glayzer? is it similar to dignics? how many hours does it last?

I would say it's absurdly durable. Mine on the BH is over a year old, still grabs the ball like it's out of the package. Dignics 05 and Glayzer (normal, aka 05) are the two most durable rubbers on the market (outside of the non-boosted chinese bricks, ofc).

 

[Angerer]

Speaking of the rubber itself, it's pretty much Dignics 05 FX, its softer sibling with a similar medium-high arc (unlike the Dignics 09c and Glayzer 09c which have nothing in common, imo).
Glayzer (05) has very few gears: starts and at 7/10 and ends at 8/10, while Dignics 05 has all the gears from 5 to 10, depending on the skill. Same about spin, Glayzer (05) is easier to create solid spin, but the max spin ceiling is greater on Dignics 05.
Having the 7-8/10 gears, however, is useful for blocking, flat hitting, and short game--this is where Glayzer outshines Dignics 05 in my opinion.
As mentioned, durability and grip are outstanding--both Glayzer (05) and Dignics 05 are the champs in these departments. Banana flicks are also a pleasure using both rubbers--the "05 kick" and good arc help tremendously.

I primarily use Glayzer on both wings because it's just so easy to hit fast/spinny shots on the table. However, I will surely move to Dignics 05 on my forehand when I improve a bit more.

 

[po-stit]

Speaking of the rubber itself, it's pretty much Dignics 05 FX, its softer sibling with a similar medium-high arc (unlike the Dignics 09c and Glayzer 09c which have nothing in common, imo).
Glayzer (05) has very few gears: starts and at 7/10 and ends at 8/10, while Dignics 05 has all the gears from 5 to 10, depending on the skill. Same about spin, Glayzer (05) is easier to create solid spin, but the max spin ceiling is greater on Dignics 05.
Having the 7-8/10 gears, however, is useful for blocking, flat hitting, and short game--this is where Glayzer outshines Dignics 05 in my opinion.
As mentioned, durability and grip are outstanding--both Glayzer (05) and Dignics 05 are the champs in these departments. Banana flicks are also a pleasure using both rubbers--the "05 kick" and good arc help tremendously.

I primarily use Glayzer on both wings because it's just so easy to hit fast/spinny shots on the table. However, I will surely move to Dignics 05 on my forehand when I improve a bit more.

I must try glayzer again but i never felt that the Glayzer was similar to D05. More like a harder Rozena with a grippier topsheet. Still to bouncy to use on the backhand.

 

[kapahoo]

A Rozena with a grippy topsheet is a tenergy 05. Add som hardness to the sponge and yes, thats about a Glayzer. Buy also nothing like a Rozena.

 

[Angerer]

A Rozena with a grippy topsheet is a tenergy 05. Add som hardness to the sponge and yes, thats about a Glayzer. Buy also nothing like a Rozena.

Same, I don't feel similarities between Rozena and Glayzer.
Glayzer sits in-between T05 and D05, both hardness- and play-wise, but closer to D05 for sure, especially when it comes to topsheet feel and arc.

 

[garesnares]

I pretty much agree with everyone’s experience with Glayzer. But a few things I want to add. I’ve been using it on FH and BH across synthetic (no carbon) and wood blades, both 1.9 and 2.1 thickness. Most recently had it on BH on 5-ply wood blade.

It is lightweight in my experience (~47 grams) on standard offensive butterfly size (150x157). VERY durable. Feel is hard due to the stiffer topsheet when compared to other rubbers with similar sponge hardness. Back to back BH drives feels amazing; crisp, fast, and direct. BH blocks are fast and straight.

However, I feel that it’s throw is pretty low. Which is good for blocks, pushes, however, If I’m not active, shots go into the net. Dwell is RELATIVELY lower than other rubbers in my opinion, you still have to get the timing right. Fits blades that are more flexible.

 

[garesnares]

do you guys use 1.9 or 2.1 glayzer on backhand?

1.9 BH, 2.1 FH

 

[garesnares]

That's the oposite of my impression with the glayzer on BH. Granted my backhand is not my strongest skill but it felt too bouncy, mainly compared to the Mantra Pro M. Grip is indeed amazing. Might try it again.

Same, I felt it was low throw on BH and in general. It was harder to use on BH for more advanced techniques. But BH drives/blocks receiving opponents’s spins it’s great. Could be our playstyle, if you can keep up the thin contact/brushing, I can imagine the throw is higher.

 

[Zwill]

Here's a really weird observation I didn't think I will need to write.

Been using Glayzer on BH for a time now. Feels soft. Very soft. I'm sure I'm used to it by now but still it feels very soft.

I've been going to a different club in China and they use DHS WTT balls. It's not really a club it's University. Anyway the first time I played with a new DHS WTT ball it felt amazing, like I can do anything, the grip was unbelievable, the safety not matter what shit I played just went on table, I've been even bullshitting myself I can do some Anders Lind strawberry or sideswipe shit and to my surprise with this ball it worked. So I started thinking maybe pros are only that much better since they use better balls and this theory lasted for me for a good week or so since I couldn't explain why I play so much better. Not just with Glayzer but with FH side too.

Then one someone brought a Yinhe ball, blue print ,I don't like that ball at all to be honest, I even prefer flash over it. Then we start playing i play pretty much the same as with the DHS WTT ball so I am not in disbelief.

Anyway Glayzer is very good on BH side and a lot of sports UNI players in Xian use Rozena for BH. They try my racket, they really like the Glayzer. Granted Rozena for punch block is a bitch, I hate to get punch blocked off Rozena, it's very nasty.

 

[Tyce]

Joola balls are quite different, not bad or anything but they are numb feeling. The DHS balls make a much clearer impact. Probably means they are harder, deform less.

 

[Zwill]

Joola balls are quite different, not bad or anything but they are numb feeling. The DHS balls make a much clearer impact. Probably means they are harder, deform less.

I think so too. But I think the biggest difference is the grip with the rubber it's just always so consistent. Also the bounce too. It really felt like Cheating for the first time I used WTT balls.

Yinhe balls I struggle with especially recently since it rains a lot more. We can have aircon and whatever but the air is just humid and Yinhe balls are more slippery. Flash is better in these conditions and so is DHS.

BTW Glayzer has one of the best grip with all these balls but of course if it's humid it slips just like anything else.

 

[MarekD]

As mentioned, Glayzer 09C has the same topsheet the same as Dignics 09C. Is this statement true? Do you feel like that? Or does it have another with smaller spin potential?

 

[Angerer]

As mentioned, Glayzer 09C has the same topsheet the same as Dignics 09C. Is this statement true? Do you feel like that? Or does it have another with smaller spin potential?

Glayzer 09c has nothing in common with Dignics 09c, neither sponge, nor topsheet. Glayzer 09c has lower spin potential than Dignics 09c, however it's easier to achieve spin on weaker strokes.

 

[Tyce]

So can anyone tell what ESN rubbers are similar in terms of hardness?
Are we talking Rakza 7? Or more C1?