do you guys think this equipment will match me

[MichaelMargad]

hi guys , i am club player , 15 year old , i get weekly lesson in south korea , currently i use harimoto innerforce layer zlc with dignics 09c on both , now it feels weird i mean its 3 month old and i accidently spilled alcohol on the blade and it become kinda sluggish , now i am used to tacky rubbers like hurricane 3 blue sponge i have experience in boosting , now since i forehand dominant , i thought of trying setups like ma long or wang chuqin , since i have postive experience hurricane rubber , i dont think it will be much trouble , so
the setup i am consdering is hurricane king acb wang chuqin
fh dhs hurricane neo blue sponge 40 degree 2 layer haifu seamoon boosted
bh dhs hurricane 8-80 2 layer haifu seamoon boosted
i never hurricane on bh before people said 8-80 is more resonsive and forgiving than hurricane 3 orange sponge
and i mean dignics 09c feels like decent useable rubber to me like not that extreme or feel like brick so
i am a tall player
and i depend on very good hidden serve and direct attack on the forehand and not many directs on backhand rather just outlast the opponent , do you guys ahve any other suggestions? i never used anything expect butterfly and dhs

 

[Tyce]

First suggestion: stop depending on hidden serve.
Second: there is no telling what your level or playstyle is from this, other than some sort of attacking. A video would be helpful, if that's not possible a rating/level and more detailed description of your playstyle. Preferences, dislikes, strong and weak points, emphasis on spin, speed, placement, rally, outright winners...
Third: what are you expecting vs your current setup? And how does your suggestion fill that expectation?

This is extra hard for people in their teens, but don't let yourself be swayed by the name attached to the equipment. Ma Long doesn't play a HL5, WCQ doesn't play the acB. It's just marketing trying to sell stuff. If you want to play their actual stuff, that's gonna cost a lot. Don't forget they also constantly renew their rubber, it's not just the expensive blade.

That being said, if you can handle your current setup we'll, and I mean you can reliably engage the sponge and blade, then I don't see you being unable to use the suggested setup. It's not going to be bouncy or catapulty so if that's what you mean by sluggish, it could feel worse.

 

[MichaelMargad]

i meant like the alcohol made the rubber kinda whitish and it makes the topsheet feel like its dead , and inner zlc , i previosly used fan zhendong alc , it was going good , it felt balanced , but my classmate somehow got new harimoto inn zlc , now me being curios , made a dumb mistake of trading my entire setup for that blade and put 09c on both and like its weird , inner zlc , like it is dense and fast carbon , but on a inner blade , inner blade is supposed to have very long dwell but zlc kills the dwell kinda kills the whole point and on rubber like 09c did i made a mistake? wouldve rubber like dignics 05 would be better , i cant use those like its soo springy i love tackiness of the rubber , so i am selling this blade and considering that setup , not as same as wang chuqin but like just idendical setup not as his to fit my budget its still high quality too , or should i just use fan zhendong alc again or similar blades like viscaria? , in my playstyle , so i have a very strong serve to create attack , so like serve fh attack and backahnd dont directly win just like make the opponent uncomfortable and try to pivot , i can hide float and backspin with almost same motion and lot of variations , i even can execute ovcharovs sitting serve , not good as him but it usually wins direct points , many serves , and good fh attack , backhand is weak tbh , i think i just need to train very hard with it , like drill like what 5k balls? , and is hurricane 8-80 harder to use than dignics 09c , i mean dignics 09 feels easy for me or useable , since most of my school teammates are becoming backhand dominant like using dignics 05 and just spraying i cant catch them up in backhand i need something that will absord their speed make them uncomfortable

 

[Tyce]

I honestly can't read this,sorry.

 

[olive-nguyen]

I honestly can't read this,sorry.

I think he meant that after the alcohol spill, his Dignics 09C became sluggish and just underperforming, likely due to the alcohol breaking down the organic rubber compounds of the top sheet, maybe even seeping into the sponge. He used to use a Fan Zhendong ALC of unidentified rubbers, likely Hurricane as per previous mention, but traded it for a Harimoto ZLC out of curiousity. I guess it doesn’t fit him, as he wants to engage the sponge-more dwell time and feeling of the inner carbon Fan Zhendong ALC vs Harimoto ZLC. He finds D05 too springy and wants tacky rubbers, like H3 or D09C, and now considers between Hurricane King ACB for it being inner carbon, or go back to Fan Zhendong ALC or Viscaria (a little odd, mentioning wanting dwell time)

He is mostly serve dependent and forehand dominant, and wants a rubber that is forgiving. Likely cause the backhand is quick and needs to have faster reactions to reach to block or counter a backhand flick or as such.

Don’t totally trust my words, but my understanding.

 

[olive-nguyen]

i meant like the alcohol made the rubber kinda whitish and it makes the topsheet feel like its dead , and inner zlc , i previosly used fan zhendong alc , it was going good , it felt balanced , but my classmate somehow got new harimoto inn zlc , now me being curios , made a dumb mistake of trading my entire setup for that blade and put 09c on both and like its weird , inner zlc , like it is dense and fast carbon , but on a inner blade , inner blade is supposed to have very long dwell but zlc kills the dwell kinda kills the whole point and on rubber like 09c did i made a mistake? wouldve rubber like dignics 05 would be better , i cant use those like its soo springy i love tackiness of the rubber , so i am selling this blade and considering that setup , not as same as wang chuqin but like just idendical setup not as his to fit my budget its still high quality too , or should i just use fan zhendong alc again or similar blades like viscaria? , in my playstyle , so i have a very strong serve to create attack , so like serve fh attack and backahnd dont directly win just like make the opponent uncomfortable and try to pivot , i can hide float and backspin with almost same motion and lot of variations , i even can execute ovcharovs sitting serve , not good as him but it usually wins direct points , many serves , and good fh attack , backhand is weak tbh , i think i just need to train very hard with it , like drill like what 5k balls? , and is hurricane 8-80 harder to use than dignics 09c , i mean dignics 09 feels easy for me or useable , since most of my school teammates are becoming backhand dominant like using dignics 05 and just spraying i cant catch them up in backhand i need something that will absord their speed make them uncomfortable

Do you want a blade that has more passive feeling and control, an inner carbon blade? I can’t tell much from what I see, but I guess you have decent forehand power, so you have the strength and form to use inner carbon. But it’s weird to bring in Viscaria is it not? You may want softer blades for more dwell.

As for rubbers, H3 Blue Sponge forehand I guess, and backhand I’m not sure if you want Tenergy or Dignics at all. May not be forgiving. H8-80 is an option you can explore

 

[MichaelMargad]

Do you want a blade that has more passive feeling and control, an inner carbon blade? I can’t tell much from what I see, but I guess you have decent forehand power, so you have the strength and form to use inner carbon. But it’s weird to bring in Viscaria is it not? You may want softer blades for more dwell.

As for rubbers, H3 Blue Sponge forehand I guess, and backhand I’m not sure if you want Tenergy or Dignics at all. May not be forgiving. H8-80 is an option you can explore

Does viscaria have good dwell ? its just that i absolutely hate inner force zlc
I need something that will compliment my forehand
and i used viscaria base model like fan zhendong alc before
It felt better than inner force ZLC for some reason despite being outer
I never tried DHS blades properly
only tried this w968 blade from someone in my club
I don't know but dude said he uses it for serve practice only and uses hl5 for his main ( what a bold choice)
and it had this worn out fast arc g-1
Despite that the forehand felt very good like it kinda exactly matched my tehnique perfectly
I wonder does using dhs blade with properly boosted hurricane would suit me
I like the color of hurricane king
black instead of blue
so how does this blade feel
its hl5 with just black handle right?

 

[olive-nguyen]

Does viscaria have good dwell ? its just that i absolutely hate inner force zlc
I need something that will compliment my forehand
and i used viscaria base model like fan zhendong alc before
It felt better than inner force ZLC for some reason despite being outer
I never tried DHS blades properly
only tried this w968 blade from someone in my club
I don't know but dude said he uses it for serve practice only and uses hl5 for his main ( what a bold choice)
and it had this worn out fast arc g-1
Despite that the forehand felt very good like it kinda exactly matched my tehnique perfectly
I wonder does using dhs blade with properly boosted hurricane would suit me
I like the color of hurricane king
black instead of blue
so how does this blade feel
its hl5 with just black handle right?

I’m quite sure viscaria’s dwell is rather short, suiting flicks and thinner impacts.

Long 5 and Hurricane King are sort of similar I guess, but I think Hurricane King would feel more direct (guessing based on wang chuqin being more of a flat hitter and his forehand isn’t as spinny as Ma long.

 

[olive-nguyen]

I’m confused when you mentioned that you have experience with h3, and yet you click with esn fastarc. As a user of both, they are rather different, so which are you going with.

 

[NetProphet]

hi guys , i am club player , 15 year old , i get weekly lesson in south korea , currently i use harimoto innerforce layer zlc with dignics 09c on both , now it feels weird i mean its 3 month old and i accidently spilled alcohol on the blade and it become kinda sluggish , now i am used to tacky rubbers like hurricane 3 blue sponge i have experience in boosting , now since i forehand dominant , i thought of trying setups like ma long or wang chuqin , since i have postive experience hurricane rubber , i dont think it will be much trouble , so
the setup i am consdering is hurricane king acb wang chuqin
fh dhs hurricane neo blue sponge 40 degree 2 layer haifu seamoon boosted
bh dhs hurricane 8-80 2 layer haifu seamoon boosted
i never hurricane on bh before people said 8-80 is more resonsive and forgiving than hurricane 3 orange sponge
and i mean dignics 09c feels like decent useable rubber to me like not that extreme or feel like brick so
i am a tall player
and i depend on very good hidden serve and direct attack on the forehand and not many directs on backhand rather just outlast the opponent , do you guys ahve any other suggestions? i never used anything expect butterfly and dhs

Your 15, you play in South Korea (a TT powerhouse) and you have a coach.
Why are you messing around with advice from the random internet? Do you want to stunt your improvement?
Listen to your coach and ignore the shiny things your friends have.

You're either serious about improving or you choose the typical teenager 'messing around reinforcing wrong technique with wrong equipment not getting better' route.

Listening to the 20 different answers you get in here is not going to help you any so with that said, D09c is too hard for you because you're not strong enough physically to use it.
But again, talk to your coach.

 

[Tyce]

I think he meant that after the alcohol spill, his Dignics 09C became sluggish and just underperforming, likely due to the alcohol breaking down the organic rubber compounds of the top sheet, maybe even seeping into the sponge. He used to use a Fan Zhendong ALC of unidentified rubbers, likely Hurricane as per previous mention, but traded it for a Harimoto ZLC out of curiousity. I guess it doesn’t fit him, as he wants to engage the sponge-more dwell time and feeling of the inner carbon Fan Zhendong ALC vs Harimoto ZLC. He finds D05 too springy and wants tacky rubbers, like H3 or D09C, and now considers between Hurricane King ACB for it being inner carbon, or go back to Fan Zhendong ALC or Viscaria (a little odd, mentioning wanting dwell time)

He is mostly serve dependent and forehand dominant, and wants a rubber that is forgiving. Likely cause the backhand is quick and needs to have faster reactions to reach to block or counter a backhand flick or as such.

Don’t totally trust my words, but my understanding.

That's so sweet! I'd rather see the person asking the question putting in some effort to present a legible post, though.

I’m confused when you mentioned that you have experience with h3, and yet you click with esn fastarc. As a user of both, they are rather different, so which are you going with.

Well actually... I like both of these in their own way, too. I keep having trouble picking which one I want to develop with, though.

 

[mamedium]

(guessing based on wang chuqin being more of a flat hitter and his forehand isn’t as spinny as Ma long.

please don’t say things that you don’t really know for sure

 

[pedro.dantas]

Alcohol at this age?

 

[Sriver1]

Cheating at this age?
Keep your serves clean.

 

[MichaelMargad]

Cheating at this age?
Keep your serves clean.

hey its borderline legal , not illegal

 

[MichaelMargad]

I’m confused when you mentioned that you have experience with h3, and yet you click with esn fastarc. As a user of both, they are rather different, so which are you going with.

i used all 3 , full tacky + booster , hybrid , tensor and varios sponge hardness
so i can adjust on what rubber i am using quickly , just saying how this w968 felt

 

[MichaelMargad]

I’m quite sure viscaria’s dwell is rather short, suiting flicks and thinner impacts.

Long 5 and Hurricane King are sort of similar I guess, but I think Hurricane King would feel more direct (guessing based on wang chuqin being more of a flat hitter and his forehand isn’t as spinny as Ma long.

so whats a decent blade that has good dwell for hurricane
I see you're a hurricane user too
not something crazy like w968

 

[olive-nguyen]

so whats a decent blade that has good dwell for hurricane
I see you're a hurricane user too
not something crazy like w968

Hmm, not sure. Do you want to stick to Butterfly or DHS? I guess you can consult your coach who knows you best.

Don’t think one needs a W968 at this age

 

[MichaelMargad]

Hmm, not sure. Do you want to stick to Butterfly or DHS? I guess you can consult your coach who knows you best.

Don’t think one needs a W968 at this age

something that will last a long time , and like not somethin colorful since that will lose its color because of dust sweat etc