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there is heavy censorship
like the animation that was laughing about LGL
that was removed very very quickly,
I recall someone posting it here and I think that post video still exists
Heavy censorship doesn't mean people can't shit talk. There's lots of pockets of dissent on the Chinese internet that so-called censorship is pitiable. There are thousands of Chinese people right now saying that Wang Chuqin does not deserve to be number one or the future of the team. LGL decision even though it's been in the works for a while was catalysed by public criticism. The "censorship" was against content deemed as politically subversive. Now I am not saying they're no overzealous censors in China. Some censor official in Henan may like LGL and wipe off animation made about him, But there's no top down imperative to censor criticism of players and functionaries. So a one-off event doesn't mean that's how it works all the time. China is vast and complex
 
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CNT made sure this time WCQ didn't let the same mistake happen again. 5 weeks might be a little short but enjoyable nonetheless.

WTTC 2025
MS F
Calderano (3) 1-4 (2) (-10, -3, 4, -2, -7)

Same old problem for WCQ. One event only and still the same problem.

World Cup 2025
MS SF
Calderano 4-3 WCQ (12, -5, -6, -7, 7, 5, 10)



https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/everything-about-wcq.33067/post-507707


https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/world-cup-2024.33476/post-455274
 
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A Tieba user has just posted a table comparing 2025, the 1st year of the LA28 cycle, to 2019 and that the title rates of WCQ and LSD are comparable to those of FZD and ML. The current issue with the CNT has more to do with the ones in 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th places.

洛奥周期双头夺冠率,对比19年主力夺冠率差不多 (The title rates of Double-Head in the LA Olympic cycle are similar to those of the main players in 2019)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10043229648

It's way overblown. CNT has achieved all the major milestones for 2024.

There were way more bumpy years for CHN on the men's and women's sides in the early to mid 2000s. KOR in MT SF at WTTC 2001, Samsonov at World Cup 2001, PRK in WT F at Asian Games 2002, Boll at World Cup 2002, Schlager, Joo Saehyuk, Chen Weixing (and Korbel to a lesser extent) at WTTC 2003, AUT in MT Grp (Schlager again) and JPN in WT Final 4 at WTTC 2004, RSM, Waldner, Li Jiawei and Kim Hyang-mi at Athens 2004, Maze at WTTC 2005, Boll at World Cup 2005, Li Ching/Ko Lai Chak at Asian Games 2006, RSM at World Cup 2007...

The new and old are in a transition period. For instance, ML, back when he was the new kid on the block, lost a lot by CNT standard in MS and MT for the London 2012 cycle. World Cup 2008, ATTC 2009, World Cup 2009, WTTC 2010, World Team Cup 2010, Korea Open 2012 and World Cup 2012. Other than World Cup 2008 and 2009 and WTTC 2010, the way he lost in the others was ugly.

In the past, after the Olympics, they would enter the typical 休整期/rest period. As a tradition starting in 2004, the Olympic medalists from all disciplines would also visit HKG and MAC, which usually spans a week. Up until 2016, there would be a few Opens in Europe, World Cup and WTGF left on the ITTF calendar and that's it. Arguably, the sign of change first appeared in 2019 as T2 Diamond, which started out as T2 APAC in 2017, messed up the schedule and Qin Zhijian and Li Sun openly criticized it (1, 2), but the hectic and chaotic schedule became the new norm in 2021, the year WTT officially started.

For example, because of the pandemic, WTTC 2021 was postponed from April to November, therefore, after Tokyo 2020, they chose to use the period from August to October to adjust by skipping WTT CT Budapest 2021, WTT SCT Doha 2021 (collided with National Games 2021), ATTC 2021 (which wrecked the draws for ATTC 2023) and WTT CT Tunis 2021. In the buildup ahead of WTTC 2021, they sent a B+ team and dominated WTT CT Lasko 2021 and WTT CT Novo Mesto 2021, winning 7 out of 8 titles.

After Paris 2024, because of China Smash 2024 and ATTC 2024 (the latter of which doubled as the continental qualification tournament for WTTC 2025 with all the placement matches), the rest period has been severely compressed and only FZD and CM took a real break. For those two events, it's clear the idea is 以老帶新, literally to bring the new up to speed with the old, LSD/KM winning XD in both events marked the successful transfer of power from WCQ/SYS.

LSD won MS/MD/XD at WTT CS Almaty 2024, MS at WTT CS Macao 2024, MS/XD at China Smash 2024, MT/XD and reached the MS F and MD QF at ATTC 2024. Before finishing in MS SF at WTT CS Montpellier 2024, he also took part in MT of the National Championships 2024 but chose to sit out. All of the above occurred back-to-back in the last 2 months.

XP beat F. Lebrun and Moregard before losing to eventual winner LSD at China Smash 2024. Losing to LYJ at ATTC 2024 and eventual winner F. Lebrun at WTT CS Montpellier 2024 were within reason.

It comes down to WCQ, LJK and LGY, but the latter two are on the way out, so the real concern is WCQ (losing to Moregard at Paris 2024), which is not surprising as I cautioned ahead of Paris 2024.

On the women's side, an A- team was dispatched for ATTC 2024 but WMY's taking a leave left behind a vaccum that exceeded the capability of an underprepared CXT to fulfill. As noted, 天時、地利、人和/right time, right place and right people and 時也、運也、命也/time, luck and fate. We all knew Kim Kum Yong, Pyon Song Gyong and Cha Su Yong were no chopped livers after Asian Games 2022 and Paris 2024, distracting CHN in the same manner as IND did at WTTC 2024. Harimoto donned the new role of Hurricane 2024 and Hirano, Hurricane 2017 showed up again to wreak havoc, completing what they failed at WTTC 2024.

WYD losing to Harimoto and Kim Kum Yong and CXT losing to Hirano, Harimoto and Goda hurt a lot but is bearable as they are also on the way out. Unlike XP, Shi Xunyao and Kuai Man losing to DHK (WS and WT bronze) and SYB, respectively, are bigger problems. QTY, as the 6th player on the team, losing to Harimoto was inevitable.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...sh-sweden-august-14-24-2025.35820/post-537555
In a live stream, ZJK actually praised LSD for doing very well for his age.

He's the youngest-ever WR1. ML was losing left and right at his age under the protection of WLQ, MLin and WH. LSD has practically none.
 
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Kudos to Lind, Kallberg, Pucar and Tanaka for managing a 50% win rate.

世排top 40唯一一个对骰子正胜率的选手是 (The only top WR40 player who has a winning record against Dice is...)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10039490309
 
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Gaoyuan is now 30 something in the world. Wow, what a freefall.
So only XP has a positive record against Dice?
 
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Lobby the government to completely nationalise DHS and refuse to let any H3s/W968s leave China? :cool:

JK of course, China are still doing pretty well.

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So CNT mens a year ago went from 5 out of 5 in Top 5 and 6 in the Top 10 to:

2 out of top 5 and 4 out of Top 10

we have seen the result of 2 x 12 month cycles now.
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These are the top 5 "youngsters" with comparison to WR a year ago.

Xiang Peng WR9 (a year ago WR23)
Chen Yuanyu WR22 (WR82)
Wen Ruibo WR38 (WR96)
Huang Youzheng WR47 (WR123)
Xu Yingbin WR81 (WR74)

and I noticed a year ago Zeng Beixun (age 22) was WR68 and had only played 5 WTT events since last year

Oct 2024:

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Today:
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Why would I provide a solution when the premise is false? Worry about TPE first.
Exactly 11 months later, things are looking rather grim...

LYJ is losing where he didn't before, let alone the Stone-Shattering Plan that is not going anywhere...
KCJ looks set to join the team tryout...
Feng Yi-Hsin traded his appendix for 2 points at World University Games but still not enough in WTT events...

CIC is making visits to the hospital again...
Any other women usable?

China Smash 2025
MS R32
Uda 3-2 LYJ (11) (9, 6, -8, -10, 8)

Year EventName Stage Sub-Event Round Player A Player B Games Result Winner
2024 WTT Star Contender Bangkok 2024 Main Draw MS QuarterFinal LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) UDA Yukiya (JPN) 11:6 14:12 11:3 3 - 0 LIN Yun-Ju
2023 WTT Star Contender Goa 2023 Main Draw MS R16 LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) UDA Yukiya (JPN) 11:4 11:6 11:8 3 - 0 LIN Yun-Ju
2022 WTT Contender Zagreb 2022 Main Draw MS R16 LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) UDA Yukiya (JPN) 15:13 8:11 11:7 11:7 3 - 1 LIN Yun-Ju
2017 Asian Junior & Cadet Championships Asan 2017 Main Draw JBT LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) UDA Yukiya (JPN) 11:2 11:7 11:7 3 - 0 LIN Yun-Ju
2016 ITTF Junior Circuit Golden Hong Kong Junior and Cadet Open Hong Kong 2016 Main Draw JBS R16 LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) UDA Yukiya (JPN) 11:7 11:9 10:12 11:9 11:4 4 - 1 LIN Yun-Ju
2016 ITTF Junior Circuit Golden Hong Kong Junior and Cadet Open Hong Kong 2016 Main Draw JBT LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) UDA Yukiya (JPN) 11:1 9:11 7:11 13:11 15:13 3 - 2 LIN Yun-Ju
2014 ITTF Junior Circuit Premium Chinese Taipei Junior and Cadet Open Taipei 2014 Main Draw CBS SemiFinal LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) UDA Yukiya (JPN) 11:8 11:9 11:4 3 - 0 LIN Yun-Ju
2014 ITTF Junior Circuit Premium Hong Kong Junior and Cadet Open Hong Kong 2014 Main Draw CBT LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) UDA Yukiya (JPN) 13:11 11:8 11:8 3 - 0 LIN Yun-Ju
2014 ITTF Junior Circuit Premium Korea Junior and Cadet Open Yeosu 2014 Qualification CBS LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) UDA Yukiya (JPN) 11:6 9:11 10:12 11:4 10:12 2 - 3 UDA Yukiya

Year EventName Stage Sub-Event Round Player A Player B Games Result Winner
2025 Europe Smash - Sweden 2025 Main Draw MS R32 LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) 6:11 5:11 10:12 0 - 3 TOGAMI Shunsuke
2023 ITTF-ATTU Asian Championships Pyeong Chang 2023 Main Draw MS R16 LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) 11:1 11:4 11:9 3 - 0 LIN Yun-Ju
2023 WTT Champions Macao 2023 Main Draw MS R32 LIN Yun-Ju (TPE) TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) 11:9 10:12 7:11 11:9 11:4 3 - 2 LIN Yun-Ju

《WTT25:中國大滿貫》世界球王更替的一年之後,林昀儒領軍年輕世代重返北京出征 (<WTT25: China Grand Slam> A year after the world champion changed hands, Lin Yun-ju leads the younger generation back to Beijing for the competition)
https://www.sportsv.net/articles/122489
今年臺灣球員一樣是精銳盡出、全力以赴,由於一姐鄭怡靜腳踝傷勢未癒,因此是連同先前的澳門冠軍賽,決定雙雙退賽養傷以預備後續賽程,因此和黃怡樺搭檔的女雙及合作林昀儒的混雙,後是由大會遞補其他組合出戰,據報導高承睿也有髖關節不適情況,能否趕上比賽也要再觀察。不過年輕勢力的直接跟進,讓此次參賽名單有了不少新期待,先前世大運奪銀的黃愉偼也將開啟她生涯首次的大滿貫之旅。
 
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A member of a Facebook group based in Taiwan coming to terms with reality during China Smash 2025.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/LTTF.TW/posts/24295322323479623
桌球(Table Tennis)愛好者聯盟
Michael Chen · 14h ·
WTT中國大滿貫女單八強中日大對決
世界第二王曼昱對上日本天才少女張本美和
整場比賽美和基本上被鰻魚壓著打
大部份球路早都可被預測
鰻魚直接以4:0不到30分鐘橫掃美和
美和也苦吞對戰7連敗
目前不止一勝難求,也連續輸11局,一局難求!
由此可知中國國家隊的陪練體系多麼可怕,只要有其他國家高手冒出頭,便會被徹底研究、模仿打法反覆訓練,天才在他們面前似乎也會漸漸變成凡人,早期的伊藤美誠、去年崛起的張本美和對國乒主力都已失去優勢,今年崛起的橋本帆乃香接下來可能也逃不過此命運
(The China Smash Women's Singles Quarterfinals featured a titanic China-Japan showdown
World No. 2 Wang Manyu faced off against Japanese prodigy Harimoto Miwa
Miwa was essentially dominated by Eel throughout the match
Most of her shots were predictable
Eel swept Miwa 4-0 in less than 30 minutes
Miwa also suffered her 7th consecutive defeat
Not only is she struggling to win, she's also lost 11 games in a row, making even a single game impossible!
This demonstrates the formidable nature of the Chinese national team's sparring system. Any top player from another country who emerges is thoroughly studied, their playing styles imitated and repeatedly trained. Even geniuses seem to fade into mere mortals before them. Ito Mima in her early career and last year's rising star Harimoto Miwa have both lost their edge against the CNT's main force. This year's rising star Hashimoto Honoka may also face the same fate)
 
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For future reference. Forgot to post this. From a Facebook Group based in Taiwan.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/263406633764528/?multi_permalinks=24295322323479623
桌球(Table Tennis)愛好者聯盟
Michael Chen · October 3 at 8:54 PM
WTT中國大滿貫女單八強中日大對決
世界第二王曼昱對上日本天才少女張本美和
整場比賽美和基本上被鰻魚壓著打
大部份球路早都可被預測
鰻魚直接以4:0不到30分鐘橫掃美和
美和也苦吞對戰7連敗
目前不止一勝難求,也連續輸11局,一局難求!
由此可知中國國家隊的陪練體系多麼可怕,只要有其他國家高手冒出頭,便會被徹底研究、模仿打法反覆訓練,天才在他們面前似乎也會漸漸變成凡人,早期的伊藤美誠、去年崛起的張本美和對國乒主力都已失去優勢,今年崛起的橋本帆乃香接下來可能也逃不過此命運
(The WTT China Grand Smash Women's Singles quarterfinals featured a titanic clash between China and Japan
World No. 2 Wang Manyu faced Japanese prodigy Harimoto Miwa
Miwa was essentially dominated by Eel throughout the match
Most of her shots were predictable
Eel swept Miwa 4-0 in less than 30 minutes
Miwa suffered her seventh consecutive defeat against the Chinese team
Not only is she struggling to win, she's also lost 11 games in a row, nigh-impossible to get even a single game!
This demonstrates the formidable nature of the Chinese national team's sparring program
Any top player from another country who emerges is thoroughly studied, their playing style imitated, and repeatedly trained against. Even talented players seem to fade into mere mortals before them. The Ito Mima from early on and last year's rising star Harimoto Miwa have both lost their edge against the Chinese national team's main players. This year's rising star Hashimoto Honoka may also face the same fate)
 
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If I were the CNT boss, I would not treat my athletes like small and fragile things. No CNT A team players at the european champions is not good, there's only 3 hours difference between India and France. Taïwan boys will be there, Hugo will be there, the korean boys will be there too, and Japan who fought hard in the men 's team final. Tomo could also have said "Europe ? haaa... nah I've already got my ticket for the WTT Finals sorry not sorry !" but he did not.

Plus, it's disrespectfull, they know they have most of the competitions in Asia, they play for 9 months and done. I know last year it's been brutal for them, specially after WCQ nightmare in Paris they were outclassed in both Champions, but it's not like that they will build the world best team impossible to beat again, even impossible to win a single match in team events.

France will go to London the knife between their teeth, they already smell chinese's blood, WCQ is the only one that is unbeatable for the moment, and mentally they don't feel safe. When they won vs Japan there were no real celebration, LJK was almost in tears, that's really not good. And... should we talk about Benji Faraji winning vs LSD ? come on...
 
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If I were the CNT boss, I would not treat my athletes like small and fragile things. No CNT A team players at the european champions is not good, there's only 3 hours difference between India and France. Taïwan boys will be there, Hugo will be there, the korean boys will be there too, and Japan who fought hard in the men 's team final. Tomo could also have said "Europe ? haaa... nah I've already got my ticket for the WTT Finals sorry not sorry !" but he did not.

Plus, it's disrespectfull, they know they have most of the competitions in Asia, they play for 9 months and done. I know last year it's been brutal for them, specially after WCQ nightmare in Paris they were outclassed in both Champions, but it's not like that they will build the world best team impossible to beat again, even impossible to win a single match in team events.

France will go to London the knife between their teeth, they already smell chinese's blood, WCQ is the only one that is unbeatable for the moment, and mentally they don't feel safe. When they won vs Japan there were no real celebration, LJK was almost in tears, that's really not good. And... should we talk about Benji Faraji winning vs LSD ? come on...
Lol CXT, WYD, KM, XP, CY, CYY are Team A players though, aren't they? And if you mean top 5, the first 4 players are top 5.

What does "no real celebration" mean? I'd like to pick your brain. Is there a specific way to celebrate that you deem "genuine" ?

Faraji's win doesn't matter in the grand scheme of the world rankings, WTTC, or Olympics. I don't think it's that important. Just another loss to work on.

As for France, curious to see how Alexis and Gauzy perform in the next team match against China. And looking forward to seeing them play the new Japan before that. I still think France will get smoked. Can't wait.
 
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As for France, curious to see how Alexis and Gauzy perform in the next team match against China. And looking forward to seeing them play the new Japan before that. I still think France will get smoked. Can't wait.
Before that, KOR is their biggest problem. Felix has lost to them left, right and center in 2025. FRA will break down if Felix is broken through like Moregard, as Alexis has a very poor record in MT and Gauzy is pretty much stuck in 3rd singles because of that.
 
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