Fastarc G1 or Glayzer 09c?

[NetProphet]

Hey all
Coming from D09c after almost a year. It's been fun but overall it's just too demanding of a rubber, I have the fitness but not the consistency of technique at the speeds needed to really USE this rubber.
So I've settled on Glayzer 09c or Fastarc G1 - I may even get both and try to see which I prefer between the two...
Anyway am really interested to hear some opinions in here of other folks experience or just thoughts from anyone else who looked for something after D09c.
It's going on an Innerforce ALC blade with D80 on the BH.
Cheers

 

[ToH]

Have you considered Glayzer? I know its not what you asked about, but its kind of simular to G-1, just with a softer touch IMO. G-1 feels harder than it is and Glayzer feels softer than it is. Like G-1 its good in the short game. Good spin and it last a long time.

 

[jk1980]

Glayzer 09c will be also demanding in terms of consistency and force needed to play actively, so i would go with the easy to play g-1

 

[Zezima]

Have you considered Glayzer? I know its not what you asked about, but its kind of simular to G-1, just with a softer touch IMO. G-1 feels harder than it is and Glayzer feels softer than it is. Like G-1 its good in the short game. Good spin and it last a long time.

Interesting how feel differs from differenr players. I played with all 3 of these rubbers on the same blade and I would def say they all feel same hardness. In terms of easier to activate its g1>g09c>d09c.

Difference between g09c and d09c is only that g09c is 5-10% more controlled and slower.

I am back to g1(super thick) on the korbel now and for my needs its enough now. I only bottomed out twice when practising hitting hard through the sponge. I prob can even go max before upgrading to d09c later.

So for now till I get more consistency I will stick with g1 and so would I recommend it to you aswell if you aim for the same.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Spoiler: Glayzer 09C

Spoiler: Fastarc G1

 

[LBTT]

G1 is fast and cheap (my choice) , but if you like butterfly then go for G09C .

 

[Hurricane AON]

Glayzer09C will slow if your skill is not enough, but it will perfect speed and spin if skillful.
G1 is easy to generate power and control for all level.

 

[IB66]

Better hybrid options are available compared to G09C, maybe a tad more expensive though.
G1 plays well for some of the people I coach, great performance / price point.

 

[merlin el mago]

I think to learn is better G09C because is slow but G-1 it's a very very good rubber than with a proper blade & coach could do all the gears very well.

 

[NetProphet]

Better hybrid options are available compared to G09C, maybe a tad more expensive though.
G1 plays well for some of the people I coach, great performance / price point.

As a coach, do you / your students generally find G09c to be slower or faster than Fastarc G1?
Given that it's only 2° softer than Dignics 09c on the butterfly scale, and still 2° harder than Dignics 05, I'm expecting it to be relatively fast when played aggressively.
Fast relative to G1 I mean, everyone who's tried it had said it's definitely slower than 09c.
But even then, from what I've read I'm expecting it to be slower than 09c at full tilt but maybe not when your forced into some less than perfect shots.....
Sry for long winded reply. I'm trying to avoid having to buy both rubbers but honestly the more I read the more I think I may just have to do that ! 🤦

 

[latej]

Sry for long winded reply. I'm trying to avoid having to buy both rubbers but honestly the more I read the more I think I may just have to do that ! 🤦

Fine with me. Then just please rename the thread from:

Fastarc G1 or Glayzer 09c?​

to:

Fastarc G1 and Glayzer 09c!​

EDIT: And of course, post the 1st hand comparison ;-)

 

[NetProphet]

Fine with me. Then just please rename the thread from:

Fastarc G1 or Glayzer 09c?​

to:

Fastarc G1 and Glayzer 09c!​

EDIT: And of course, post the 1st hand comparison ;-)

Any thoughts yourself, have you tried either or both in your time?

 

[IB66]

As a coach, do you / your students generally find G09c to be slower or faster than Fastarc G1?
Given that it's only 2° softer than Dignics 09c on the butterfly scale, and still 2° harder than Dignics 05, I'm expecting it to be relatively fast when played aggressively.
Fast relative to G1 I mean, everyone who's tried it had said it's definitely slower than 09c.
But even then, from what I've read I'm expecting it to be slower than 09c at full tilt but maybe not when your forced into some less than perfect shots.....
Sry for long winded reply. I'm trying to avoid having to buy both rubbers but honestly the more I read the more I think I may just have to do that ! 🤦

I used Glazer and G09C a couple of years ago, Glazer is faster than G09C.
The players that I coach and one of the other coaches, who is a much better player than me are using G1, in the next couple of days I have to swap some G1’s for him, old coming off and going onto his 2nd set up and new G1 to replace the old!! The other guys - father and 2 sons use G1 and got a multi sheet deal from either dandoy or TT11 - 4 for the cost of 3!!
They haven’t used G09C, I haven’t used G1 so I can’t really compare the 2 rubbers to each other.
G1 is spinny, and pretty quick, good for blocking, short game is good. That’s taken from being on the receiving end during practice and training!! I don’t think I’ve played against G09C, from playing with it, I would guess it’s comparable in speed possibly slower than G1, but as you suggested, when you really go for an aggressive topspin with G09C, the sponge kicks in, but I don’t know for sure which is faster!!
G09C is likely to be easier in the short game.
Spin wise they both have good spin capability.
Sotry for the inconclusive reply!!
If you like D09C then I think G09C is an easy replacement, albeit a less spinny option.
Dignic 80 is probably the ‘higher end’ rubber compared to G1, mind you G1 is still a very popular older Gen rubber and that says volumes.

 

[latej]

Any thoughts yourself, have you tried either or both in your time?

Thanks for asking, my view is that it is largely personal preference. One will prefer the 1st, other one will prefer the 2nd. However, I do enjoy reading posts, where people here compare 2 or 3 rubbers, especially if they do it repeatedly, because then I can sort of relate and derive what I think is important for me. At the same time, my interest in changing rubbers goes down a bit ;-)

I played with G1 on the BH, it has the right sponge hardness for me on the BH, and I tried several other rubbers on the BH, and found the best compromise in Glayzer, which I am using now. G1's top-sheet is a bit too hard for my BH, and the sponge is a bit too soft for my FH - I mean speaking of preference ;-)

I have D09C on Viscaria (backup setup), I think it has optimal sponge, I really like it on the FH, but the top-sheet - I prefer slightly softer. For the BH, it is too much for me, both the sponge and the top-sheet.

The G09C I played with and compared with D09C, and I wrote about it here already. I was really very surprised that D09C was feelably faster on strong hits than G09C. At the same time, it really doesn't matter for players who are outside top 3%. Often, slower shot or block still on the table, is better than better block or shot, but outside, in basically all levels. It's only in those top 3% where playing a weak shot is a waste of time.

So, since that time I bought and glued the G09C FH and Glayzer BH for 2 players, and I intend to do it for a 3rd one. Why this combination? Well, G09C is a bit slower than Glayzer in normal hits and it does encourage a full stroke, which is what those players need. They should invest body and energy, and not be subconsciously afraid it goes out. And BH Glayzer is simply good. Not that it is bad on FH, I know top 1% player who has it on FH and likes it, it really is just preference, like what I write here.

 

[Tyce]

Slight piggyback on this thread:

I'm kind of in between G-1 and Hurricane 3 Neo as my preferred FH rubber. There's a lot I like about these rubbers, but ideally I would want something in between:

When I hit harder shots, G1 is just very dwelly, feeling like the ball stays in the sponge forever. On softer blades (Korbel is a good example) the dwell time feels like so much delay it's like input lag to me.

H3N is a lot more elastic, but has its own downsides, primarily being sensitive to environmental changes meaning it behaves differently from week to week.

I know Spring Sponge is a bit better in terms of delay as it just has a quicker spring effect. T05 is still on the verge of feeling that delay though (and I don't like it for other reasons).

Would G09c be kind of a middle ground between G-1 and H3N in terms of sponge dwell time? I don't mind giving it a small lick of booster if need be.

 

[latej]

Would G09c be kind of a middle ground between G-1 and H3N in terms of sponge dwell time? I don't mind giving it a small lick of booster if need be.

It's hard to predict whether you'll like the G09C. What H3N hardness do you use?

Yesterday I tried to compare the rubbers again, the G09C (with Glayzer on one low quality blade), D09C (with Glayzer on my Viscaria) and old G1 (with old Rozena on yet another blade), and H3N H41 (with Glayzer on my SDC blade).

So G09C and D09C indeed have similar (if not the same) top-sheet, meaning firmer top-sheet, I'd say the most firm of the mentioned rubbers. So they feel close to each other, but G09C is softer sponge, which makes it easier to access.

Still G09C sponge feels harder to me than Glayzer sponge - but it may be the same sponge, and I only feel it due to diff. top-sheet. The Glayzer top-sheet is softer, I really like it on the BH.

The H3N H41 - the sponge feels similarly hard like D09C (but diff. type, which you know), top-sheet I like more, a bit softer. But Rxton 9 top-sheet felt even slightly softer, I like it a lot too.

The G1 (quite used/old one) - I think is a really good FH rubber, if the hardness is good for you. I'm not sure I'd say it is very dwelly, e.g. the Hexer Grip is super dwelly, it's like it holds the ball for seconds. But you're right it may feel more dwelly than G09C, because the sponge feels a bit softer to me than G09C sponge.

It's hard to say, you may like G09C, or you may not like it. I think it is a very good FH rubber, for some people. As I mentioned, I really liked C55 on the FH, but the durability is bad. But worth trying once nevertheless.

I think you need to try, also those sponge/top-sheet hardness comparison, feel kind of silly ;-) Cheers.

 

[Tyce]

It's hard to predict whether you'll like the G09C. What H3N hardness do you use?

I've used commercial and provincial 39 OS, have a blue sponge 39 still in the package

Yesterday I tried to compare the rubbers again, the G09C (with Glayzer on one low quality blade), D09C (with Glayzer on my Viscaria) and old G1 (with old Rozena on yet another blade), and H3N H41 (with Glayzer on my SDC blade).

So G09C and D09C indeed have similar (if not the same) top-sheet, meaning firmer top-sheet, I'd say the most firm of the mentioned rubbers. So they feel close to each other, but G09C is softer sponge, which makes it easier to access.

Still G09C sponge feels harder to me than Glayzer sponge - but it may be the same sponge, and I only feel it due to diff. top-sheet. The Glayzer top-sheet is softer, I really like it on the BH.

Glayzer sponge is slightly softer than G09c sponge, just as D05 sponge is sligtly softer than D09c. This is by specification, not speculation. So your feeling is correct!

The H3N H41 - the sponge feels similarly hard like G09C (but diff. type, which you know), top-sheet I like more, a bit softer. But Rxton 9 top-sheet felt even slightly softer, I like it a lot too.

The G1 (quite used/old one) - I think is a really good FH rubber, if the hardness is good for you. I'm not sure I'd say it is very dwelly, e.g. the Hexer Grip is super dwelly, it's like it holds the ball for seconds. But you're right it may feel more dwelly than G09C, because the sponge feels a bit softer to me than G09C sponge.

It's hard to say, you may like G09C, or you may not like it. I think it is a very good FH rubber, for some people. As I mentioned, I really liked C55 on the FH, but the durability is bad. But worth trying once nevertheless.

I think you need to try, also those sponge/top-sheet hardness comparison, feel kind of silly ;-) Cheers.

It is hard to say. I did like D09c the moments I've tried it, because it's a lot less bouncy than T05 and kind of on par with G-1 in terms of how easy/insensitive it is on slow touches. D09c also felt easier to do hard-hits with than H3 but the spin potential is still mighty high...
...I just don't think I could justify the price of D09c, and in theory D09c with a softer sponge sounds like I would be able to utilize it better.

Either way, thanks for the perspective. I'll sit on it for a bit longer. Need to visit the store again I guess

 

[latej]

It is hard to say. I did like D09c the moments I've tried it, because it's a lot less bouncy than T05 and kind of on par with G-1 in terms of how easy/insensitive it is on slow touches. D09c also felt easier to do hard-hits with than H3 but the spin potential is still mighty high...
...I just don't think I could justify the price of D09c, and in theory D09c with a softer sponge sounds like I would be able to utilize it better.

That's good, if you liked D09C, you will like G09C. Really I only felt the difference when I really focused in full hits, on the ball speed. On D09C was faster. But on my level, it doesn't matter, well, not that it doesn't matter, it is so that other things matter more.

Enjoy the H3 BS H39 too. And as you say G09C price is good.

 

[NetProphet]

Slight piggyback on this thread:

I'm kind of in between G-1 and Hurricane 3 Neo as my preferred FH rubber. There's a lot I like about these rubbers, but ideally I would want something in between:

When I hit harder shots, G1 is just very dwelly, feeling like the ball stays in the sponge forever. On softer blades (Korbel is a good example) the dwell time feels like so much delay it's like input lag to me.

H3N is a lot more elastic, but has its own downsides, primarily being sensitive to environmental changes meaning it behaves differently from week to week.

I know Spring Sponge is a bit better in terms of delay as it just has a quicker spring effect. T05 is still on the verge of feeling that delay though (and I don't like it for other reasons).

Would G09c be kind of a middle ground between G-1 and H3N in terms of sponge dwell time? I don't mind giving it a small lick of booster if need be.

I reckon most of that dwell you describe is in your blade.
Korbel wouldn't really be recommend if dwell is what your trying to reduce.
I think you've described the rubbers well but to get reduced dwell from them you need a slightly stiffer and/or slightly harder blade.
Pretty sure on this because G1 is already medium hard and I know a few folk who play it but none of them have ever described this as a problem.
Glayzer 09c with Dignics top sheet has a sponge hardness (42) that is between Dignics 05 (40) and Dignics 09c (44) so it is certainly harder than G1 so even keeping the Korbel it should have less dwell.
But then you're into hard sponges that usually play better on stiffer harder ALC blades and you're using it on a soft wooden blade so the outcome could be unpredictable with that sponge being difficult to really activate.
Which brings me back to the start, would you consider trying a different blade before buying harder rubbers?

 

[NetProphet]

Still G09C sponge feels harder to me than Glayzer sponge - but it may be the same sponge, and I only feel it due to diff. top-sheet. The Glayzer top-sheet is softer, I really like it on the BH.

You are correct, the Glayzer sponge is much softer that the G09c sponge, 38 v 42.