Fastarc G1 or Glayzer 09c?

[Tyce]

I reckon most of that dwell you describe is in your blade.
Korbel wouldn't really be recommend if dwell is what your trying to reduce.
I think you've described the rubbers well but to get reduced dwell from them you need a slightly stiffer and/or slightly harder blade.
Pretty sure on this because G1 is already medium hard and I know a few folk who play it but none of them have ever described this as a problem.
Glayzer 09c with Dignics top sheet has a sponge hardness (42) that is between Dignics 05 (40) and Dignics 09c (44) so it is certainly harder than G1 so even keeping the Korbel it should have less dwell.
But then you're into hard sponges that usually play better on stiffer harder ALC blades and you're using it on a soft wooden blade so the outcome could be unpredictable with that sponge being difficult to really activate.
Which brings me back to the start, would you consider trying a different blade before buying harder rubbers?

Absolutely. I think you're spot on that Korbel is a major amplifier in the dwell department. On IFL ALC I still feel like the dwell is longer than I would like, but it's already clearly less. (IFL ALC with G1 FH / C1 BH is my match setup).

I'm seriously considering a Viscaria or FZD ALC, but in order to orient myself properly towards that I might have to start playing more with Pro 01 and TB ZLC more (I already have those) to see if a mix of those two blades would be something I could realiably use.
I wouldn't mind if Butterfly made a Viscaria type WITH koto that's still slightly easier to use. Outerforce ALC having a softer surface just doesn't feel attractive at all. I'm concerned that Falcima just doesn't do it either.

 

[golden_son]

Absolutely. I think you're spot on that Korbel is a major amplifier in the dwell department. On IFL ALC I still feel like the dwell is longer than I would like, but it's already clearly less. (IFL ALC with G1 FH / C1 BH is my match setup).

I'm seriously considering a Viscaria or FZD ALC, but in order to orient myself properly towards that I might have to start playing more with Pro 01 and TB ZLC more (I already have those) to see if a mix of those two blades would be something I could realiably use.
I wouldn't mind if Butterfly made a Viscaria type WITH koto that's still slightly easier to use. Outerforce ALC having a softer surface just doesn't feel attractive at all. I'm concerned that Falcima just doesn't do it either.

I'm currently playing G-1 on a Donic Skachkov Carbon as my training setup, which is also koto-aramid carbon-ayous-kiri and has been described elsewhere as "somewhere in between a Viscaria and a Korbel or IF ALC," which sort of sounds like what you're looking for. Having used a Viscaria for a bit (also with G-1) I can say the Donic SC + G-1 combination feels a little more muted than with Viscaria but it has loads of control and plenty of speed when activated, but no "gimme" speed - exactly what I'm looking for when training (though I prefer my HAL for matches). Honestly G-1 has felt its best on my old Joola Rossi Emotion, but I moved away from that blade for other reasons.

The Pro 01 is the same composition as Viscaria is it not? I would certainly recommend trying G-1 on that to see if playing it on outer carbon reduces the unwanted dwell.

 

[NetProphet]

Absolutely. I think you're spot on that Korbel is a major amplifier in the dwell department. On IFL ALC I still feel like the dwell is longer than I would like, but it's already clearly less. (IFL ALC with G1 FH / C1 BH is my match setup).

I'm seriously considering a Viscaria or FZD ALC, but in order to orient myself properly towards that I might have to start playing more with Pro 01 and TB ZLC more (I already have those) to see if a mix of those two blades would be something I could realiably use.
I wouldn't mind if Butterfly made a Viscaria type WITH koto that's still slightly easier to use. Outerforce ALC having a softer surface just doesn't feel attractive at all. I'm concerned that Falcima just doesn't do it either.

We have the same blade.
I've had Dignics 09c on it since February.
I'll be putting a Glayzer 09c on it in a few days to see how that is.
I will probably bite the bullet and buy a Fastarc G1 in January to test that also so hopefully by February(ish) I'll have a very fresh comparison of all these rubbers on an Innerforce ALC.

 

[MORTtheORT]

Hey all
Coming from D09c after almost a year. It's been fun but overall it's just too demanding of a rubber, I have the fitness but not the consistency of technique at the speeds needed to really USE this rubber.
So I've settled on Glayzer 09c or Fastarc G1 - I may even get both and try to see which I prefer between the two...
Anyway am really interested to hear some opinions in here of other folks experience or just thoughts from anyone else who looked for something after D09c.
It's going on an Innerforce ALC blade with D80 on the BH.
Cheers

I had the exact same problem with the 09C..great warming up but difficult to maintain shot quality in a game due to the racket speed it demands. I came from the H3 neo blue and was shocked at how the shot quality varied on the 09C at slow speeds compared to high speed rallies. Particularly if you play against someone who varies the speed alot. I have switched to the G1 and it has taken the pressure off my game and is far better for me. I find the G1 particularly good on my FH. The throw angle is different to the 09C so a small adjust is needed. The G09C for me is fun but IMO I did not like the feel off it as it is the same topsheet as the 09C, but the sponge didn't have much in it for me. And it felt slow compared to the G1. For me the G1 is hard enough for the modern FH without being dead hard like lots of modern rubbers. On the backhand the G1 is good...sometimes I feel it could be a bit quicker for the backhand as you still need to put a bit of effort into it to get speed but it is there. A huge benefit of the G1 is it is not all that spin sensitive. Personally I have been tempted by the T05FX on my backhand but we will see.

 

[MORTtheORT]

Slight piggyback on this thread:

I'm kind of in between G-1 and Hurricane 3 Neo as my preferred FH rubber. There's a lot I like about these rubbers, but ideally I would want something in between:

When I hit harder shots, G1 is just very dwelly, feeling like the ball stays in the sponge forever. On softer blades (Korbel is a good example) the dwell time feels like so much delay it's like input lag to me.

H3N is a lot more elastic, but has its own downsides, primarily being sensitive to environmental changes meaning it behaves differently from week to week.

I know Spring Sponge is a bit better in terms of delay as it just has a quicker spring effect. T05 is still on the verge of feeling that delay though (and I don't like it for other reasons).

Would G09c be kind of a middle ground between G-1 and H3N in terms of sponge dwell time? I don't mind giving it a small lick of booster if need be.

I am exactly the same with my FH. I have gone from H3 neo blue, 09C and G1 at the moment. The H3 (spin, serve) and the G1 (like attacking) are my preferred FH as well. I have heard some people use the Nitakku version of the H3 as it has a bit more life in it then the H3 neo.

 

[Egon]

Hi everyone! I'd like to add a few words. I currently have both and can compare them.
The G09С is slower, has a harder sponge than the G1, has a higher throw angle, nonlinearity is higher, better bite and response to incoming spin.
The G1 is correspondingly softer and faster, has a lower throw angle, less sensitive to incoming spin and more linear than the G09С.
One more nuance. The G1 feels hard out of the box and needs time for the sponge to soften and become usable. The G09С, on the other hand, plays good out of the box, but after a month it becomes harder, slower decreases in size, This can be corrected with a thin layer of Seamun, which responds well to this, unlike oil or air injection.
The G1 is very consistent over time, with a very flat performance curve. In my opinion, this rubber doesn't require any reinforcement, which is a big plus.
I'll also note that for me, neither of these rubbers is suitable for forehand play. The G1 is softer than I need, and the G09C has a high angle, higher sensitivity, and lower final speed on strong shots compared to the Hurricane. Therefore, I only use them for the backhand. The G1 requires a soft surface wood and an innerforce structure blade. With a koto surface and outer carbon, it feels too hard for the backhand. The G09C is also demanding on the blade due to its low speed, it requires high speed blade.

 

[navuzor]

Hi everyone! I'd like to add a few words. I currently have both and can compare them.
The G09С is slower, has a harder sponge than the G1, has a higher throw angle, nonlinearity is higher, better bite and response to incoming spin.
The G1 is correspondingly softer and faster, has a lower throw angle, less sensitive to incoming spin and more linear than the G09С.
One more nuance. The G1 feels hard out of the box and needs time for the sponge to soften and become usable. The G09С, on the other hand, plays good out of the box, but after a month it becomes harder, slower decreases in size, This can be corrected with a thin layer of Seamun, which responds well to this, unlike oil or air injection.
The G1 is very consistent over time, with a very flat performance curve. In my opinion, this rubber doesn't require any reinforcement, which is a big plus.
I'll also note that for me, neither of these rubbers is suitable for forehand play. The G1 is softer than I need, and the G09C has a high angle, higher sensitivity, and lower final speed on strong shots compared to the Hurricane. Therefore, I only use them for the backhand. The G1 requires a soft surface wood and an innerforce structure blade. With a koto surface and outer carbon, it feels too hard for the backhand. The G09C is also demanding on the blade due to its low speed, it requires high speed blade.

I remember when I moved from the Rakza 7 to the G1, it felt extremely hard in comparison, when in theory they have a similar hardness. It does soften up with time, and then the rubber becomes alive; it's hard to explain.
Egon, interesting you mention the G1 needs a soft surface wood and an innerforce structure blade, what exactly you mean by that? I am curious because I only played the G1 in a tibhar stratus power wood. I know some rubbers are very picky to the blades, and I am yet to glue my old G1 with my new innerforce layer ALC, I'm curious what to expect, I just don't like switching equipment that often.

 

[Zwill]

Not sure where this topic is evolving but based on the title I would like to add Yinhe Apollo topsheet totally feels like a sticky G-1. In fact, Apollo 3 feels like a sticky G-1 on backhand with all of the good properties of G-1 + sticky.
I love G-1 a lot, so Apollo is great fun to play with it. Best banana flick rubber ever too and amazing fun to use.
I guess Apollo 3 is discontinued or hard to get but Apollo 5 is still available with same topsheet and Apollo 2 has a 2.5mm sponge version which Yinhe is comparing to Zyre. I mean it's marketing obviously but the Apollo topsheet is amazing and I don't think the Apollo 3 sponge is all that special so I'm not saying that it is like Zyre but maybe fun to use.

 

[Tyce]

IFL ALC is a good pairing for G1. If you like it on the Powerwood you will like it on this, too. Perhaps a small reduction in dwell time but the character stays pretty much the same.

I say this as my experience from Korbel Japan to the same Innerforce Layer ALC. Korbel is very similar to your Powerwood.

 

[NextLevel]

IFL ALC is a good pairing for G1. If you like it on the Powerwood you will like it on this, too. Perhaps a small reduction in dwell time but the character stays pretty much the same.

I say this as my experience from Korbel Japan to the same Innerforce Layer ALC. Korbel is very similar to your Powerwood.

I never thought Korbel was similar to the Powerwood. Doesn't mean your conclusion is wrong but just calling it as I see it. Powerwood is much thicker and stiffer and has a hollow handle. Also breaks far more easily at the neck.

 

[Zwill]

IFL ALC is a good pairing for G1. If you like it on the Powerwood you will like it on this, too. Perhaps a small reduction in dwell time but the character stays pretty much the same.

I say this as my experience from Korbel Japan to the same Innerforce Layer ALC. Korbel is very similar to your Powerwood.

Innerforce blade with G-1 is the way for sure. On w968 G-1 is amazing, on outer carbon it's kinda meh, I never tried it on all wood.

 

[Egon]

I remember when I moved from the Rakza 7 to the G1, it felt extremely hard in comparison, when in theory they have a similar hardness. It does soften up with time, and then the rubber becomes alive; it's hard to explain.
Egon, interesting you mention the G1 needs a soft surface wood and an innerforce structure blade, what exactly you mean by that? I am curious because I only played the G1 in a tibhar stratus power wood. I know some rubbers are very picky to the blades, and I am yet to glue my old G1 with my new innerforce layer ALC, I'm curious what to expect, I just don't like switching equipment that often.

Hi! I simply like the G1 on the backhand, especially on blades with a limba veneer on the surface and a layer of carbon underneath two layers of wood. On a blade like the Viscaria, with an outer koto and carbon just below the koto, the G1 feels hard for the backhand, but at the same time, it's a playable combination for the forehand.