I want opinions on my chances of pro

[Matt Hetherington]

The thing is that if OP was on a rapid improvement trend and after being 1800 a year ago was now closer to 2100 or 2200 officially there would be something worth discussing. I have seen kids make more progress in 9 months or a year of playing than he has in the past 1 year plus of posting here. If I remember correct, the Lebakas were over 2000 within a year of tournament play.

When I was at lyttc I coached Derek Wang from 950 to 1950 in 10 months, I also had Andrew Song 1100 to 1900 in one year as well. Both lefties I was teaching twice a week. So certainly getting up to that 1900-2000 range is fairly straight forward, the trajectory after that is definitely the most telling.

 

[NextLevel]

When I was at lyttc I coached Derek Wang from 950 to 1950 in 10 months, I also had Andrew Song 1100 to 1900 in one year as well. Both lefties I was teaching twice a week. So certainly getting up to that 1900-2000 range is fairly straight forward, the trajectory after that is definitely the most telling.

OP is getting stuck at a level that is not a good sign for his future potential. Just keeping it real. The Lebakas got further pretty fast as well beyond the 2000 level. as well. Unfortunately, the new USATT ratings list doesn't make it easy to show such trajectories like the old system did.

 

[Matt Hetherington]

OP is getting stuck at a level that is not a good sign for his future potential. Just keeping it real. The Lebakas got further pretty fast as well beyond the 2000 level. as well. Unfortunately, the new USATT ratings list doesn't make it easy to show such trajectories like the old system did.

Yep I agree, the Lebaka’s also moved from 2000-2300 level at a fairly normal pace too. Nishant is now in Germany training but again when we talk about Top 100 WR potential that’s a long long way off.

If you take someone like Nikhil, his highest WR I think was about 160. Extremely talented as a young player, very awkward to play against even now and of course national champion twice, would still be another big step up for him to be in top 100 wr from where his peak level is or was.

 

[Archosaurus]

I get the feeling people kind of plateau around 1800-1900 typically if they're serious players and put an effort in. It's not the average or median rating, but it's not much higher either. It seems like the work to go from 2000 to 2200 is more severe than the work to go from unrated to 2000 IMO.

With that in mind, it's a bit strange to be considering the world stage when you're just like everyone else and plateaud around that level.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

can you tell me what each of the boys groups levels would be in usatt

Can you answer this?

I am confused why you think top 100 in the USA for the U13 category is a big achievement in the context of your goals. Maybe you can explain.

Last year you stated you would be 2100 by the end of 2025, and that you would be over 2250 by the end of this year (2026). We are almost halfway through 2026 and you are still sitting around 1950. Do you have any thoughts on the reasons why you didn't hit your end of year 2025 goal and don't seem on track to hit your end of year 2026 goal? Has missing those benchmarks made you reconsider the likelihood of your goal?

 

[ThePongCommenter]

OP is getting stuck at a level that is not a good sign for his future potential. Just keeping it real. The Lebakas got further pretty fast as well beyond the 2000 level. as well. Unfortunately, the new USATT ratings list doesn't make it easy to show such trajectories like the old system did.

This was fairly predictable even on his threads a year ago and some of us were giving caution in not letting the initial fast progress get to one's head as reaching 1800 quickly really means nothing and is far from a strong indicator of being destined to reach an elite level.

It was also emphasized, as he is a late starter relative to his goals, to make sure he gets into a professional training environment ASAP but a year later, his YouTube shows mostly very undisciplined training and an undisciplined style of play that likely wouldn't have happened if he were in a serious training environment. So I don't understand why some people seem to want to continue in the delusion here.

 

[Lula]

Lol i tried to instill

a good player and a top 100 in the world are not the same thing, in fact they are two different worlds apart

I just saw Nandan got destroyed by Gauzy and even when Nandan is probably called professional, the gap between him and Gauzy is inevitable

You missed my point. There is a lot of semi-professionals and professionals that will never reach top 100 but you can still live on tabletennis. Also meant that becoming a professional is not everything, can also mean a lot to become good at the sport.
And i also tried to instill some kind of hope.
Becoming top 100 is not realistic for many.

 

[Lula]

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I do not think anyone can answer that confidently. But i am pretty certain the level in general are much higher in Sweden compare to the US, so the last two groups will probably be pretty high.

 

[NextLevel]

Lol i tried to instill

You missed my point. There is a lot of semi-professionals and professionals that will never reach top 100 but you can still live on tabletennis. Also meant that becoming a professional is not everything, can also mean a lot to become good at the sport.
And i also tried to instill some kind of hope.
Becoming top 100 is not realistic for many.

As. European citizen maybe. As an American cirizen, not so much. Also a bit harder to justify in many countries because children who are good at table tennis also tend to be good at the other major intellectual disciplines that earned more money before LLMs and AI came along. So most people argue that if you do not have top 100 potential in the USA, try something other than table tennis so you don't end up broke.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

For reference when Victor Liu was in ITTF Hopes at 11 years of age, he was the top player in his age group in the US at the time and was around 2360 or so (up and down variance with that). Truls was also 11 at the time and was close to 2400.

played with Victor a few days ago ! he was in Japan !

 

[boretennis]

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[KTableTennis]

Soon coming out with a highlight video from new york westchester tourney from the other week!

 

[KTableTennis]

Anyone have anything to say about GV hennebot center? it looks solid with the training, schooling, and accomidation

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Anyone have anything to say about GV hennebot center? it looks solid with the training, schooling, and accomidation

France is a beautiful country and French food the best in the world !
Brittany / Golfe du Morbihan is a beautiful place, especially if you like sailing or yachting.

as for TT, Hennebont has been a solid pro A team for some time.

 

[songdavid98]

might be late to become the next Ma Long, but anything else is still possible.

make sure your saturday partner also improves.

youre going to get stuck if your Saturday partner gets stuck too.

but if you both learn and teach each other, almost anything can happen.

EDIT: the group training isn't bad, but that's usually not where real improvement happens. Might be better to find more friends to do 3 hour sessions.

I do notice a lot of serve practice. That is good. But you need to do a lot of serve return practice too.

What happened to your saturday partner?

 

[ThePongCommenter]

What happened to your saturday partner?

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This gives a pretty good idea of the type of people he is practicing and competing against.

 

[lightspin]

1) Your serve is still too high.
2) You need to find better people to play with.
3) Although your forehand looks ok, please stop doing 360 forehands. If you hurt your knee, it will never be the same even after surgery. If you are going to be a pro, you will be playing for the next 15 years. Try to keep yourself as healthy as possible.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

1) Your serve is still too high.
2) You need to find better people to play with.
3) Although your forehand looks ok, please stop doing 360 forehands. If you hurt your knee, it will never be the same even after surgery. If you are going to be a pro, you will be playing for the next 15 years. Try to keep yourself as healthy as possible.

Playing low level players or outside of a serious training environment is likely how he has ended up doing 360 forehands, chop blocks for no reason, and lobbing serve receives to attempt follow up counterloops. Good for getting some YouTube clips, not so good for reaching WR50.

 

[Yurifi]

the biggest problem I see is footwork … it’s … you need a lot of work in this department.

I heard today that one our practice session in Shanghai costs 150€ … rumour, but … it could be true.

 

[songdavid98]

there's a kid in my club, Leo Shao. He's 2175 usatt. Probably closer to 2200.
I think he's 10 years old (I could be wrong).
Both parents are coaches (Shao Yu and Taylor)
And he didn't make the junior national team.