Technique correction - Trying to Fix my FH backstroke + hitting through the sponge

[Lula]

I am not sure if I understood what you mean.

Right now I do seem to struggle vs empty slow shorter close to the table balls because if I try to accelerate it goes out even though it has arc and curves down. But because of the incoming sidespin (if they serve pure sidespin) I am scared to brush it too slow. And even if it would land on the table its either too short or too slow and I am not getting the initiative that I want.
I see franziska using his legs like me rotating into the table on half long balls with a lot of speed. But my balls tend to go out more. With my technique that is more upwards naturally I am not so scared of the net really.

And even here vs block my followthrough motion stops very close to my head armpit wide open and lifted too much up imo. It should end more in front of my head I think armpit not lifted so much that the angle is above or 90°

I think you could rotate the body more for the arm to get body out to the side more. Now i think you are more lowering the body and go back with the arm itself. Coult at least stop more with body if you turned it up a bit more, now no time to stop the body. Then relax the arm and have racket head a bit more pointed down. By getting arm more relaxed and turning up body/more earlier you can get more motion in the arm. Need to get more natural flow and less stiff.

I think on half long ball you could either step in and kill it if it high and then you need some body if you have time. At half long ball that is low i think forearm is more important. As long as you brush with forearm you will get spin. I think having a open racket angle or looping upward are limiting in the long run. If you then can hit the ball fast it will just be high and go out. Better to try to close and go a bit more forward.

 

[Zezima]

I think you could rotate the body more for the arm to get body out to the side more. Now i think you are more lowering the body and go back with the arm itself. Coult at least stop more with body if you turned it up a bit more, now no time to stop the body. Then relax the arm and have racket head a bit more pointed down. By getting arm more relaxed and turning up body/more earlier you can get more motion in the arm. Need to get more natural flow and less stiff.

I think on half long ball you could either step in and kill it if it high and then you need some body if you have time. At half long ball that is low i think forearm is more important. As long as you brush with forearm you will get spin. I think having a open racket angle or looping upward are limiting in the long run. If you then can hit the ball fast it will just be high and go out. Better to try to close and go a bit more forward.

I have a hard time understanding what you mean. But that has more to do with describing the movement with words so the other person can get the same picture.

But the essence is the same. Legs go forwards but the upper body still whips up and stops short. I feel like the upper body has to swing more in front and less forearm usage. Because if I use forearm the ball goes out so my body corrects itself by stopping earlier which would explain why I end my stroke so close to my head.

 

[sebi]

I have a hard time understanding what you mean. But that has more to do with describing the movement with words so the other person can get the same picture.

But the essence is the same. Legs go forwards but the upper body still whips up and stops short. I feel like the upper body has to swing more in front and less forearm usage. Because if I use forearm the ball goes out so my body corrects itself by stopping earlier which would explain why I end my stroke so close to my head.

He wants you to start the movment with the hip and body. And says your backswing is too much arm and not enough rotation in the body and hip.
And he says your arm is stiff because your hip and body dont start the movment so your arm jas to do more work

 

[Yurifi]

bwoah, wanted to write someting, but then saw 13 pages and don't have the time or the strength to go through all 13 pages. so I will try to be short and concise.

1) you are STIFF!! STIFF!! very STIFF!! loosen up. relax, not just arm, but whole body. I think you want to do the stroke so right, that in doing it you stiffen up
2) the key of good forehand is not just hand, but whole body. from the legs up, through the hips, shoulders to the arms. yes, both arms. you are not doing it. or at least it looks out of sync. yes, you rotate the hips, but you add nothing with them. basically, if you understand car engine - you have a misfire. which doesn't kill the engine, engine still works and propels the car, but not at full power
3) elbow, there is something wrong with the elbow motion, seems like you make a move with you arm which then causes what we often call "to go around the ball with the elbow", which makes you lose power and rotation. try to follow the arm with your elbow, or better said follow the ball with your elbow.

but I honestly think, when you will losen up, the whole motion of body will also connect.

also - why H3N on forehand? honestly - you are not there yet. maybe Dignics09c but even that I doubt, trust me, I know, I have great technique, teach kids, I play for almost 40 years at 43 years of age (yes, my first actual memories are my dad taking me with him to a practice in his club where he was a coach) and when I practice with the kids I cannot extract full potential of D09c - maybe with the best two of them, but that's it. when I play with my peer players, I can, easily.

but definitely not H3N level, sorry.

 

[Zezima]

He wants you to start the movment with the hip and body. And says your backswing is too much arm and not enough rotation in the body and hip.
And he says your arm is stiff because your hip and body dont start the movment so your arm jas to do more work

From the video where I do fh against block this doesn't seem to be the case. And the ball goes over effortlessly. If you loop "stiff" then your partner also has a easier time blocking since you can't get good spin and its mostly just speed. Also it wouldn't arc down as much.

I guess I am just tall and it looks that way. When playing though I grab my racket tight only at contact.

Again something feels wrong with how my elbow paths and therefore my upper body looks like its breaking still.

I was experimenting in todays tournament aswell and also I can confidently say that in open rally or when I can bh flip their serves I am 70-30 even vs 1850TTR player.
I like my bh TS my Fh TS seems good aswell.

The only thing that is holding me back right now is serve receive. They do 10-20% errors I do way more. I would say I can't read the spin on the ball 70% and the other 30% I know it but still miss it(hitting too thinly or too thick)

I have no clue how to train this since in my club people don't have these good serves..
Basically I could go up to 1850 if I get the serves back on the table atleast in a way where they don't smack it and we get into a rally.

Lost to the ~1750 -10 -12 -11 won vs 1650 and got a set vs 1800 and 1850 sets being close. I made a comeback vs the 1650 down from 1-2 and he had 4 matchballs (6-10) which I turnes around. But vs the 1750 I was just nervous and loopes the same serve I had no problem earlier out. Whenever it was 10-10 I kind of stressed myself out. When going for an offensive shot my hand just said nope. Will need to watch that game definetly.

Another thing I seem to struggle a lot if my opp is doing this short wrist loop. Where the ball is spinny but slow and low arc. I am just too scared to put pressure on that kind of a ball because I can't tell how much sidespin is on it and how spinny it is. Punching these low balls is too high risk and I punch it mostly out misstiming. In training I do that step forwards in matchplay I don't. My brain freezes up and waits till the ball comes to me. I saw this 1850 player just standing there not being scared of that ball and just punching it back taking it very early. Meanwhile I do the mistake of waiting analyzing the balls trajectory longer and then being late to decide for a good shot.

I will watch my other games aswell to see if there are other easily fixable areas I can also work on.

My serves seem to be good enough for 1700TTR max. People higher than that don't give me an instant point which puts a lot of pressure on me if in return I struggle with their serves and we barely get into rallies where I can still make the point..

I also played a 1450TTR with d05 and d09c max on harimoto alc? And he was like how good this setup fits him and that he can control it. Looping always out or into the net vs me. Kind of saw myself in him back a few years ago. It was def the right decision to go back.

But one step at a time.

 

[Zezima]

This was my 12th game yesterday a very close match. Now looking back at this game I am an idiot for not realizing many topspin serves of his. I also see and understand whats wrong with my fh most of the time. It's especially how the elbow moves inwards first before contacting the ball and my forearm lagging in behind. And just at contact instead of a smooth forwards brushing I end up trying to fixing my strokes path by (mostly) lifting my elbow.

I won the club tournament so I am the club champion this year. And because everything other than winning would have been a failure and I knew I would win it I was a bit more relaxed even though I was down 1-2 in the finals. Anyway I did the right fh technique sometimes and man does it feel great. One of those shots where it doesn't matter where on the table it lands the quality is so good noone around this level comes close to blocking it.
I mostly put my attention to let my elbow move in a straight path and let the other body parts do their job automatically. Basically I told myself if the path of my elbow is in a straight line and is not responsible to make corrections I will get a good shot. I didn't film myself but I am hoping to do it more often in the near future. The focus is also less on the forearm closing and ending just a tad bit more in front of my body.

Also the video I just linked is prior to this. I saw only 2 good fh shots every other fh shots is the same. My left leg lagging behind far to the left and me jumping into the shot with the left leg mostly in the air and my elbow overloaded correcting the strokepath/angle by lifting my elbow most of the time. Also my loops on receive except for 1-2 with the fh on bh side is beyond shiet. Not sure how to work on this more with players whose serve is terrible.