Does Hl5 need to use the hurricane 3?

[ber]

I have seen tons of people pair dhs h3 with the hl5 because they say it compliments each other, i want to ask do i really need to use the tacky chinese rubber? Because im to lazy to boost it every month.

 

[MOJOJOJO-74]

I have seen tons of people pair dhs h3 with the hl5 because they say it compliments each other, i want to ask do i really need to use the tacky chinese rubber? Because im to lazy to boost it every month.

I think most people use H3 on it because all the CNT players use it, especially Ma Long because it's his blade. Some pros use Butterfly rubbers for their backhand and some use Xiom and other blades. You could just stick Dignics 09c and Dignics 05 and you should be fine, or honestly try your current rubbers to see if you like how they play on HL5.

 

[JackJohnson]

I have seen tons of people pair dhs h3 with the hl5 because they say it compliments each other, i want to ask do i really need to use the tacky chinese rubber? Because im to lazy to boost it every month.

I believe Ovidiu Ionescu uses a HL5 blade with Butterfly rubbers on FH and BH so it’s not true that you have to use H3 just that 99% of players that use this blade have at least H3 on the FH.

 

[Archosaurus]

People use the same models of equipment that pros do for arbitrary reasons, not because of any kind of special synergy. It has more to do with your individual abilities and gameplay goals.

HL5 and W968 has dramatically changed to be entirely different blades about 2 times now, potentially 3. It's not possible for all of them to "pair well".

 

[Lazer]

I have seen tons of people pair dhs h3 with the hl5 because they say it compliments each other, i want to ask do i really need to use the tacky chinese rubber? Because im to lazy to boost it every month.

Of course not, any rubber can be used on any blade. It’s ultimately up to the players capabilities and preference…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[willyum]

generally if you put the same equipment brand which is DHS it makes it play even better.

 

[dingyibvs]

No, but some equipment may complement it a bit better. In general, something that's not too catapult-y works better, at least on FH, as most rubbers with significant catapult would activate before the blade does, and then you can get to a situation where no matter how hard you loop you never support from the blade. You also want something a bit lower throw, as the blade itself has a high throw.

 

[thisisit]

I have seen tons of people pair dhs h3 with the hl5 because they say it compliments each other, i want to ask do i really need to use the tacky chinese rubber? Because im to lazy to boost it every month.

the tab with ma long's face on the bottom of the handle is there for a reason!
if you try using anything other than h3 on the fh or try a euro style bh shot with the hl5, ma long himself will come out of that tab and slap you.

 

[ber]

generally if you put the same equipment brand which is DHS it makes it play even better.

yeah, i dont want to reboost my rubber every 1 month tho..

 

[ber]

No, but some equipment may complement it a bit better. In general, something that's not too catapult-y works better, at least on FH, as most rubbers with significant catapult would activate before the blade does, and then you can get to a situation where no matter how hard you loop you never support from the blade. You also want something a bit lower throw, as the blade itself has a high throw.

Any recommendations?

 

[dingyibvs]

Any recommendations?

I've found D09c to work fairly well, though I think it works a bit better with the Hurricane Wang/Q968. DNA Platinum series reportedly works fairly well as well, though like all ESN rubbers durability may be a concern. With that said, if you're to really take advantage of HL5 variants you should be looping pretty hard, really hitting into the blade with each shot, in which case most rubbers will wear pretty quickly as it's more limited by topsheet durability than sponge boost effect.

 

[longle]

yeah, i dont want to reboost my rubber every 1 month tho..

you don't need to. I boost my H3s once and play until it's dead, you only reboost when you peel it off.

 

[Archosaurus]

No, but some equipment may complement it a bit better. In general, something that's not too catapult-y works better, at least on FH, as most rubbers with significant catapult would activate before the blade does, and then you can get to a situation where no matter how hard you loop you never support from the blade. You also want something a bit lower throw, as the blade itself has a high throw.

Physically this doesn't make much sense at all. Maybe if you're talking about 0.001ms optimizations to get that very last bit of performance that's mostly theoetical, but there is no way to "activate the rubber" but "not activate the blade", especially on strong strokes. Assuming the sheet is glued well and transfers loads into the blade.

I think you're mixing up throw angle and trajectory, too. Not same thing. The influence between typical blades will be about as far as just how much the coefficient of restitution changes, which has a 2nd order effect on the incidence angle.

 

[Tyce]

Yes. Your DHS blade will essentially break down as soon as you start playing with non DHS rubbers. Especially using non DHS glue.

They call it "hurricane long 5" for a reason.

 

[Lazer]

Yes. Your DHS blade will essentially break down as soon as you start playing with non DHS rubbers. Especially using non DHS glue.

They call it "hurricane long 5" for a reason.

As will their rubbers if you play them on non DHS blades…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Sriver1]

generally if you put the same equipment brand which is DHS it makes it play even better.

Why? This is nonsense. Just because they have stamped the same brand?

 

[Sriver1]

Yes. Your DHS blade will essentially break down as soon as you start playing with non DHS rubbers. Especially using non DHS glue.

They call it "hurricane long 5" for a reason.

It's also very important that the side tape matches your shoes brand...

 

[dingyibvs]

Physically this doesn't make much sense at all. Maybe if you're talking about 0.001ms optimizations to get that very last bit of performance that's mostly theoetical, but there is no way to "activate the rubber" but "not activate the blade", especially on strong strokes. Assuming the sheet is glued well and transfers loads into the blade.

I think you're mixing up throw angle and trajectory, too. Not same thing. The influence between typical blades will be about as far as just how much the coefficient of restitution changes, which has a 2nd order effect on the incidence angle.

There sure is a way. When I tried I think a DNA Pro on a W968, no matter how hard I looped I could not reproduce the characteristic cracking sound and the feeling of flex. Incidentally, and this was entirely unexpected, I just experienced the same thing last night when I tried out the D05 on my FZD ALC. Unlike my stiffer Viscaria variants (Viscaria, ZJK ALC), my FZD ALC also has a nice feeling of flex and a cracking sound when looped hard, but while I could reproduce that with the D09C and the H3, I couldn't with the D05.

I don't know if it really affects performance, the balls produced seem to be pretty high quality, but the feel was so different. I had the same feel when I tried out some of my clubmates' Zyre03. It always felt like the ball just bounced away quickly and I got no feedback from the blade (I think they were glued on a Viscaria and a TB ALC).

 

[Archosaurus]

There sure is a way. When I tried I think a DNA Pro on a W968, no matter how hard I looped I could not reproduce the characteristic cracking sound and the feeling of flex. Incidentally, and this was entirely unexpected, I just experienced the same thing last night when I tried out the D05 on my FZD ALC. Unlike my stiffer Viscaria variants (Viscaria, ZJK ALC), my FZD ALC also has a nice feeling of flex and a cracking sound when looped hard, but while I could reproduce that with the D09C and the H3, I couldn't with the D05.

I don't know if it really affects performance, the balls produced seem to be pretty high quality, but the feel was so different. I had the same feel when I tried out some of my clubmates' Zyre03. It always felt like the ball just bounced away quickly and I got no feedback from the blade (I think they were glued on a Viscaria and a TB ALC).

All that means is that you're not bottoming the sponge. It's better for performance not to; you basically run out of sponge performance once you do, and it's not like the topsheet can be much more hysteretic after that, you're mostly relying on the load sensitivity of the compound.

Probably ideally you would barely not be able to bottom the sponge on your strongest stroke and the sponge would be ideal for you.

Of course the surface tension does affect it and the spring sponge in the Tenergy acts a bit like a parallel spring so it's more complicated than that, but I would not worry about leaving performance on the table just because the vibration and sound is different.

 

[Tyce]

Nice theory, but incomplete. The cracking sound means the characteristics of the blade are taking over, yes, but that doesn't mean it makes the quality of the shot worse. Very simply put, if you use more of the blade for speed, you can make use of the rubber contact more to generate spin. Bottoming out isn't a hard performance ceiling.

Not being able to bottom out a specific rubber could be due to hardness, but is also dependent on the blade, as well as the type of contact that is optimal for that rubber. Especially between tacky and bouncy rubbers, the finesse of their optimal contact is just different.