NEW Stiga Helix Hybrid ?

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after gluing i measured it with a SHore O Durometer. It measures about 2 degrees harder than my Rakza Z EH, but of course that measurement is Topsheet + Sponge. Dragon Grip came out as around 50° while Rakza Z EH came out as 48° (but that sheet is also quite used already). As reference, the FastArc C-1 measured exactly 45° (which is exactly what one would expect). Purely from having the ball bounce onto the blade it is less bouncy than Glayzer 09c and Rakza Z EH, but that is to be expected as well. In terms of grip it is less than Rakza Z EH. Will try to get a few balls on the robot and spinsight this evening.
 
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gave it a short comparison with RZEH once against light topspin and checked how i would cope with it doing underspin serves.

Versus topspin it was quite nice and it had that beefy feeling that i like where i can put power in and as long as give it a good tangential stroke i never risk hitting through the sponge onto the blade. This enabled nearly purely spinning with the topsheet or engaging it for power loops. Dragon Grip was spinnier than RZEH even though the former is not sticky. Speedwise RZEH was faster but the Spin to Speed Ratio was better on the Dragon Grip. I am sure this thing will feel like a brick in cold conditions, but in this weather with above 20° celsius it plays fine enough for me.
The underspin serve test comparison showed that i was more consistent with the Dragon Grip basically never having a ball below 50 rps underspin when serving, while with the RZEH i had the odd outlier here and there that was only 44 rps.

I am looking forward to sunday when i can do a few drills and matches with it.
 
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So I take it the Helix Hybrid will use the same topsheet as DNA Hybrid just with Helix's sponge, right? Can anyone confirm whether Hybrid's topsheet is tackier / more sticky than Dragon (Grip/Power)'s topsheet?

I sometimes play with my 2nd setup using Dragon Power 55 on Wavy but feel that the dwell time is quite short. I did try putting on H3 on the blade (my main setup uses H3) but is currently opting for a hybrid that is easier for flat hits.

I've been using Helix Platinum on the BH and I do feel the sponge is very good, so no complaints on that part. I'm wondering whether Hybrid's topsheet can give a bit more dwell time so I can plan to change to it on the FH down the line.

Looking for your testimonies as Stiga's chart can't be fully trusted.
 
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I've given up on hybrids and went back to H3.
I am planning to go the opposite way. I do like my H3’s but the boosting processs takes to long. I got some Xiom ohmega (VII China guang and VIII China) dragon grip also looks interesting. This one I think will be too fast…

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Hey everyone,

I’ve been testing them out briefly today and wanted to share my initial thoughts.

For context, my previous setup was a Hugo HAL with Helix XH on the forehand and Helix H on the backhand. My new setup is Hugo HAL with Helix Hybrid XH (FH) and Helix Hybrid H (BH).

I’ve only had a short session with my robot so far, but a few things immediately stood out:

Forehand (Helix Hybrid XH)
Seamless transition: Switching from the regular Helix XH to the Hybrid XH required absolutely no adjustment time when looping. I just got instantly more quality in my shots thanks to the grippier topsheet.

Short pushes: Exceptionally good. They were lower, shorter and with significantly more spin compared to the standard Helix.

FH flick: Opening up against backspin with a flick felt much easier and more secure.


Backhand (Helix Hybrid H)
More demanding: The Hybrid H feels more "dead" than the regular Helix if you don't commit to the shot. You really need a good, active stroke to activate the sponge.

Higher arc: The throw angle is noticeably higher due to the extra grip.

Adjustment needed: Because of the two points above, this is going to require a major adjustment for my backhand, which is generally a very spin-oriented stroke.

Active Blocking (FH & BH)
Active blocks on both sides required a bit of getting used to. The trajectory is slightly flatter and lower, but it only feels like a matter of small adjustments.

Overall, it's a super interesting update. I'm really looking forward to testing the setup in regular drills with my training partner and putting it to the test in match play against different styles of players.

I'll be back with a more in-depth review once I get some more hours with it!
 
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Hey everyone,

I’ve been testing them out briefly today and wanted to share my initial thoughts.

For context, my previous setup was a Hugo HAL with Helix XH on the forehand and Helix H on the backhand. My new setup is Hugo HAL with Helix Hybrid XH (FH) and Helix Hybrid H (BH).

I’ve only had a short session with my robot so far, but a few things immediately stood out:

Forehand (Helix Hybrid XH)
Seamless transition: Switching from the regular Helix XH to the Hybrid XH required absolutely no adjustment time when looping. I just got instantly more quality in my shots thanks to the grippier topsheet.

Short pushes: Exceptionally good. They were lower, shorter and with significantly more spin compared to the standard Helix.

FH flick: Opening up against backspin with a flick felt much easier and more secure.


Backhand (Helix Hybrid H)
More demanding: The Hybrid H feels more "dead" than the regular Helix if you don't commit to the shot. You really need a good, active stroke to activate the sponge.

Higher arc: The throw angle is noticeably higher due to the extra grip.

Adjustment needed: Because of the two points above, this is going to require a major adjustment for my backhand, which is generally a very spin-oriented stroke.

Active Blocking (FH & BH)
Active blocks on both sides required a bit of getting used to. The trajectory is slightly flatter and lower, but it only feels like a matter of small adjustments.

Overall, it's a super interesting update. I'm really looking forward to testing the setup in regular drills with my training partner and putting it to the test in match play against different styles of players.

I'll be back with a more in-depth review once I get some more hours with it!
I'm interested if helix hybrid H is faster than 09c on backhand mostly
 
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I'm interested if helix hybrid H is faster than 09c on backhand mostly
It’s been a while since I played with Dignics 09c, and it was on a different blade, but I think that 09c has a higher top end speed if you swing with maximum power, while Helix Hybrid H is faster and more reactive in passive and medium-force exchanges
 
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I agree with the same feelings. D09c in 100% quality shot is spinier and faster than even Stiga DNA Hybrid XH (not H), in the middle range 20-80% quality Stiga's Hybrid is faster due to its dwelling a bit less time. Keep in mind, most of the shots are not 100% powered, especially in tournament conditions.
 
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Thank yor for the review.
I don't understand how the throw angle is higher and the trajectory is flater and lower. Can you explain?

Is Helix hybrid slower than regular Helix? Which is faster? Dwell time?
The grippy topsheet grabs the ball on active loops for a high arc, but "brakes” the ball on blocks, keeping the trajectory low and flat.

Regular Helix feels faster on passive/medium shots. Hard to say when hitting with high/maximum power. I will compare my two setups the next days and maybe use Spinsight just to get som data.

Hybrid has longer dwell time
 
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@maxtor @TTWiz I can only plat with tacky hibrid rubbers, If I use d09c on a regular viscaria alc its indeed not being activated on less agressive shots and especially drives.

I love 09c for bh especially flicking and top end shots. But I am looking for something sticky and more reactive, this helix hybrid might be the answer
 
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I used to play with Stiga DNA Hybrid XH one year long (the older hybrid version), and overall was satisfied with it and liked more than D09c exactly because it was "faster" in the middle range of quality shots. But in real stressful situations in matches, when my body was stiffer and not engaged enough with shots, sometimes I was very disappointed by my quality of shots. Decided to try new rubbers from BTY (Zyre-03) and Stiga Helix Platinum XH, and I so liked later overall the Helix Platinum, I don't wanna back to hybrids anymore, especially for competitive tournaments, where stability and control are more crucial than training matches. Helix Platinum is very grippy, it is lifting any kind of downspin balls very easily, even sometimes I felt like easier than with DNA Hybrid. Just try Helix Platinum before moving to Helix Hybrid.
 
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A little update after a few more hours with the new setup.

The backhand (Helix Hybrid H) wasn't as difficult to adjust to as I first feared.

I just needed a slightly more direct contact with the ball. As soon as I figured that out, it just clicked.

And a couple of things have become incredibly easy with this rubber on the BH compared to regular Helix H:
-Counter-looping: The extra grip gives so much safety and control.
-Opening up against backspin: It's honestly a breeze. Lifting heavy underspin feels almost effortless now.
-BH Flicks: These are so much easier to do now. The grippier topsheet just grabs the ball and lets me guide it over the net with even if my timing is a little off
 
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Impressions after the first training with the Stiga DragonGrip (55) is that i was impressed by it's "ease" of use.
There were quite some lazy loops where i would have thought that they would drop into the net, because i don't put much acceleration onto the ball (and my experience is the harder the rubber the less likely it will even clear the net when not accelerating enough), but those lazy balls somehow still landed quite controlled clearing the net and went short onto the opponents side.
 
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Had my first proper session today playing matches against several different players. All of them were higher rated than me and they all had very different playing styles, which was the perfect test for the new setup.

Here are my main takeaways from today:
-This setup demands an active stroke, otherwise you get punished. Many times when I just tried to passive-guide the ball (whether it was a push, block or drive), the ball either died in the net or sailed long.

-I was able to open up against pushes with absolute ease on both FH and BH. I could choose between a soft, spinny opening with a high arc or a harder, more direct loop. I was honestly positively surprised, and it gave me a massive confidence boost knowing that almost all my open ups landed.

-I haven't actually weighed the rubbers, but they feel heavier than the regular Helix. I noticed this because I had an unusually high number of edge hits today, which usually happens when the balance of the blade changes slightly.

-Theer is noticeably more spin in these Hybrid versions compared to the standard Helix. This was very apparent in my serves, pushes, and openings.

-I barely missed any FH counter-loops today, except for the ones where I was completely caught out of position. I did miss a bit more on the BH, but that was purely down to user error. I just didn't close my racket angle enough. When I did, the ball landed.

-I felt like I could attack or open up against almost any serve with flicks or loops, even when the balls were low over the net or barely cleared the end of the table. I could just swing forward and trust the grippy topsheets to do the rest of the work.

Overall, I'm extremely happy with the switch, even if it requires me to stay mentally sharp and physically active on every single shot.
 
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Had my first proper session today playing matches against several different players. All of them were higher rated than me and they all had very different playing styles, which was the perfect test for the new setup.

Here are my main takeaways from today:
-This setup demands an active stroke, otherwise you get punished. Many times when I just tried to passive-guide the ball (whether it was a push, block or drive), the ball either died in the net or sailed long.

-I was able to open up against pushes with absolute ease on both FH and BH. I could choose between a soft, spinny opening with a high arc or a harder, more direct loop. I was honestly positively surprised, and it gave me a massive confidence boost knowing that almost all my open ups landed.

-I haven't actually weighed the rubbers, but they feel heavier than the regular Helix. I noticed this because I had an unusually high number of edge hits today, which usually happens when the balance of the blade changes slightly.

-Theer is noticeably more spin in these Hybrid versions compared to the standard Helix. This was very apparent in my serves, pushes, and openings.

-I barely missed any FH counter-loops today, except for the ones where I was completely caught out of position. I did miss a bit more on the BH, but that was purely down to user error. I just didn't close my racket angle enough. When I did, the ball landed.

-I felt like I could attack or open up against almost any serve with flicks or loops, even when the balls were low over the net or barely cleared the end of the table. I could just swing forward and trust the grippy topsheets to do the rest of the work.

Overall, I'm extremely happy with the switch, even if it requires me to stay mentally sharp and physically active on every single shot.
Have you played DNA hybrid before? Can you compare them
 
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Have you played DNA hybrid before? Can you compare them
No, but the main difference is the sponge technology. Stiga DNA Hybrid uses power sponge cell and Helix Hybrid uses microcell energy sponge. As I understand Helix is more explosive, has higher top end speed and more catapult = more like a tradtional tensor rubber compared to DNA Hybrid. Both rubbers have the the same topsheet (H-touch tensor technology)
 
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I have ordered the new Helix Hybrid XH as I have to say I have been so impressed with every Stiga rubber I have tried from Platinum DNA , DNA Hybrid and the Helix , could put any of them on and would be happy!! I just love trying new F.H rubbers lol 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
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I'd really like to know how's the durability in these rubbers. I'm using Nuzn 50 atm and it's a really nice rubber but I've realized it's too much for me, in most shots I can't activate de sponge enough. So I'm debating in whether I go to G1 or Nuzn 48, and maybe Helix Hybrid M, but I don't like changing rubbers every month, and even less when they are 80 euros...
 
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