I need to know if I can use in competition?
It's vulcanizing CEMENT not RUBBER sorry.
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I need to know if I can use in competition?
It's vulcanizing CEMENT not RUBBER sorry.
Please mods change the subject to:
VOC free vulcanizing cement
Thanks
Can you link to the product you are referring to, Merlin? Or, if you have the product, can you post photos of the label and whether there is a "Flammable Substance" warning on the container.
When I do a search for "VOC Free Vulcanizing Cement" or "Water Based Vulcanizing Cement" I only see products that have VOCs.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/for...923_152525.jpg
It's this one, made in Japan.
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Originally Posted by merlin el mago
Show me every angle on the label. I am looking to see ingredients and cautions or warnings.
It's all in Japanese, it's CFC & VOC free confirmed with the local distibutor also don't have carcinogenic agents.
If it does not have VOCs, if it really does not have them, then what would your reason for questioning whether you can use it in competition?Quote:
Originally Posted by merlin el mago
How long before the competition do you plan on gluing the rubbers onto your racket? If it is longer than 1 week, even VOC glue is fine. Because, within a week, the VOCs would have evaporated.
I want to be sure before use it in competition, some people said all the speed glue is banned or must be ITTF approved, but the only rule that I know by ITTF is VOC free?
I didn't tried to use after 3 or 4 hours once glued.
Of course I use it with FFP2 & in a ventilated area to glue it, once glued played without mask and no problems.
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Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl
Trichloroethylene eh? Sounds like its straight up VOC rubber cement. If you freshly glued and the VOC has not completely evaporated and the competition you are in checks with thos high tech sniffing devices, you could be in trouble but if not most won't care. If you are gluing right before competition, then just go with a water based latex glue like most people do nowadays.
Yep. If it is SPEED GLUE it is BANNED. That is Speed Glue. And the trichloroethylene is, for sure, something that would be considered a VOC by the TT world. Not sure what the people who sold you that were talking about. But that is not a WATER BASED GLUE. And I believe, if you actually want to use a glue that adheres to TT rules, you would need to be using a WATER BASED Glue.
Here: Info for you:
Why was trichloroethylene banned?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...daiU0Sy4buZw&s
Fetal toxicity and concerns for carcinogenic potential of TCE led to its abandonment in developed countries by the 1980s. The use of trichloroethylene in the food and pharmaceutical industries has been banned in much of the world since the 1970s due to concerns about its toxicity.
You should have been able to find that on the internet on your own though.
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So, if you want to be using that glue for its speed glue effects, there is no way around the fact that it IS AGAINST THE RULES. But if you glue, and wait a few weeks, then play a tournament, they likely won't detect the Trichloroethylene after a few weeks.
The actual rules are that you are not allowed to apply any substance to your rubber that will change the playing characteristics of the rubber. So, any version of booster or speed glue is against the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by merlin el mago
If so why all Chinese National Team that uses booster are not excluded of ITTF competitions?
Yes, almost all pros break those rules. But, nevertheless, boosters are all against the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by merlin el mago
"2.4.7 The racket covering shall be used without any physical, chemical or other treatment."
That is from the ITTF Rule Book.
https://ittf.cdnomega.com/eu/2019/04...TFHandbook.pdf
In the end, whether you follow the rules is up to you. But that glue is absolutely against the rules. It is your choice whether to pay attention to the rules or not. But it is not a question whether TRICHLOROETHYLENE is a chemical that would be considered against the rules. That is the substance that causes your SPEED GLUE effect.
And, remember, speed glue and any substance that enhances rubber performance was banned in 2008.
Yes both are right TRICHLOROETHYLENE contens V. O. C.
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Originally Posted by merlin el mago
It's because t'he booster does not content any V.O.C.
Even the table tennis manufactures use boosters in the procces for their rubbers.
The Evolution series, Bluefires, Rasanters... It's common between ESN tensors, and the H3 NEO comes with a booster layer on it, to give a chinese example.
It's legal if it comes from the factory, but is not if it's made by yourself.Sounds something between funny and stupid, but it's how it is.
Salutacions.
The pros who use boosters in international competitions know that it is hard for the ITTF to catch them. But the boosters are still against the rules. Some of the boosters do have VOCs in them. But not high enough levels of VOCs to trigger a response from a detector.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl05
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Originally Posted by merlin el mago
arrgh!!
Attached PDF of the new one without TRICHLOROETHYLENE
Can't attach PDF files
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Originally Posted by merlin el mago
Regardless of ingredients, if you are using it because it has a speed glue effect, it is against the rules. I listed the rule above. That rule has not changed since 3 days ago.
I'm not discussing if it's legal or not, I only want to know if can be detecte or not?
Please mid let me know what kind of files & space are allowed?
I'm not discussing if it's legal or not, I only want to know if can be detected or not?
Please mid let me know what kind of files & space are allowed?
TIA for advice
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Originally Posted by merlin el mago
Are you playing in the low level Catalan provincial leagues or in the high level Spanish National leagues?
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Originally Posted by merlin el mago
Have you ever tried to peel off rubbers glued with that vulcanizing glue?
Could you clean the blade after that?
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Originally Posted by merlin el mago
If you are looking to avoid detection, why not just get any of the known TT boosters from China like Haifu or Dian Chi.
Airoc mentioned Dymax Maximizer in a different thread. It sounded like he liked that one. Why not just use a booster they can't detect?
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Originally Posted by Airoc
Seamon & Falco Tempo Long Booster aren't enough strong to boost Chinese hard rubbers.