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This touches on an important point; the strategic superiority of double-inverted play over pips play at the elite level in the modern game is in part due to the rules of the sport. There seems to be a general consensus amongst the table tennis community that the rule changes over say the last...

I can't think of any elite level players using medium pips. All the elite level pips players seem to use either long pips or short pips. I wonder whether medium pips are too much of a "jack of all trades" pimple for the top-end of the game?

I agree with you to an extent. The sport would definitely be more interesting to watch if we had more variety of styles being adopted by more players. And at the lower levels of play it might even be more enjoyable for participants as well. But at the competitive end of the spectrum (the end...

I don't think anyone in this thread would want to challenge anything you've said there. The notion that there is a ceiling to pips certainly doesn't mean that there isn't the ability to improve your standard with pips, or that with some players they will play better with pips than they otherwise...

This is a massively relevant point. My understanding of the Chinese table tennis infrastructure is that they actively and strategically pick out a percentage of players to train them up using pips...but they do this primarily to create quality practice partners for the ones that they intend for...

What's strange is the fact that you would research my posting history on the forum and then reference it as some sort of ad hominem attack rather than just engaging with the points I'm actually making in this debate! My posts in this thread have received multiple 'likes' from other participants...

Have you ever wondered why there is such a low number of elite professionals playing with pips, though? If pips play doesn't have a ceiling, or doesn't have a ceiling that is lower than that of inverted play, then that would mean that pips play was an equally viable strategy for winning at the...

Another great result from a pips player! What you should do is carry out a proper statistical analysis of this. You should look at the full range of WTT events held over a given time period (maybe this season and the season before?) and then record whether the winner in both the male and female...

It all It comes down to physics. The double inverted style, which relies almost exclusively of variations of topspin, is the style that is maximising the advantage of the magnus effect in such a way that you can hit the ball harder and harder and still have it land on the table. Any style that...

Except that Falck isn't some "average Joe of TT". He's an elite level player and at the time this match took place Falck was the best pips player in the world based on World Ranking position. So this match pitted the worlds best double inverted player against the worlds best pips player. The...

I'm not moving the goalposts. As far as I'm concerned the discussion is still about pips v inverted, but YOU decided to introduce a named player (Falck) into the discussion, thereby moving us away from the more abstract discussion around playing styles into a more micro-level analysis of...

Not at all...but Falck ultimately lost to a double-inverted player, and he is not consistently winning elite level tournaments or even getting into the final at elite level tournaments. Falck in 2019 is best considered as an anomaly that is statistically insignificant to the broader trend. How...

Points 1 and 3 are not consistent with each other, though! Point 1 posits no ceiling, but then point 3 works on the premise that there is a ceiling, but that it is so high that its doesn't matter to the vast majority of players. Your problem here is that either there is a ceiling or there isn't...

But the 2nd hypothesis doesn't defend the 1st hypothesis! The notion that most people haven't optimised the use of pips (hypothesis 2) doesn't defend the notion that pips don't have a ceiling (hypothesis 1); all it indicates is that those people haven't reached that ceiling and therefore aren't...

The fact that you can say "these 2 are complementary" proves my point that they are two distinct hypotheses. So like I said, you started off with one hypothesis about the innate qualities of equipment itself ("pips don't have a ceiling"), but then introduced a new hypothesis that focuses instead...

Put this one together over the last few days. 5 ply (Kiri core, Spruce medial, and Limba outer). Bubinga wood handle. I wanted to make something substantial and it comes it at 99g. I suspect it'll be quite fast for an all-wood construction.

But you are shifting the goalposts if you start off with a hypothesis about the innate qualities of equipment itself ("pips don't have a ceiling"), but then replace that with a new hypothesis along the lines of "players just haven't figured out how to use pips properly yet". These are two...

OK, I think you're now shifting the goalposts a bit. You're now talking about 'ceiling' more in the context of 'that ceiling won't hinder personal improvement for the vast majority of players'. Of course, that not only acknowledges that there is a ceiling, but when you started out you were...

I think this may be a terminology issue here; it appears that what you really meant to say was something like "pips can have some advantages for some players compared to other rubbers". This is certainly true and I would not disagree with such a statement...but that's saying something very...

Winning a Feeder at 60 years of age is a fantastic achievement, but I would say that when you take the bigger picture into consideration, rather than this being evidence of no ceiling, if you took this tournament win and plotted it on a graph, I think this 'data point' would actually be a pretty...