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I suggest contacting the ball at a lower height (Lower your body as well) and trying to drag past it for starters. Don't care about deception or anything like that if you're just learning it. More importantly, how long did you go without a short backspin serve? :eek:

Why do you think traditional backhand isn't good for adults to learn opposed to RPB?

I wish I could drill this with someone who has a backhand flick with the power of my forehand. The ball smacking into you is probably a good reminder. At it's core, for someone at my level, it's still a footwork drill. The flick is just there to remind you that you can't screw around. So I...

I will keep it in mind. If I get any pain when mucking around, it's time to stop completely. I've long known the dangers of RPB so I've been VERY anal in how I do the strokes and how stressed my arm is. My penhold form is better than my shakehand form, hah. In the beginning I had somewhat tight...

I'm curious as to what video you're talking about. I'm slowly realizing just how good NL is (He'd be 2200 if he could move like lightning) so I'm gonna listen to whatever he has to say.

Leading up to it, I mean. If it was sudden, then I really want to see exactly what he was doing with his wrist. :eek:

Hmm. Did he never report any uncomfortable feelings or pain?

I used to like his content as well, but the presentation is a bit like, well, how a forum goer would present it. On top of that, and this is just my personal bias and not a representation of reality, but I don't really hold English table tennis to too much of a high level. Maybe I've just...

That's a good point. Is a standard grip decided on how many players play with it, how neutral it is, how deep or not deep it is? Do different coaches teach different "standard" grips?

I know the feeling. Wang Hao's instructional that Boogar linked mentions the wrist on RPB at least: don't use it. When I was mucking around with RPB, I was using the wrist like crazy on backhands and near damn had to hospitalize my hand. Other than that, slight finger and hand pain after...

A drill I recommend with a partner is to serve simple backspin, have him push short and reset, you push short and reset, and then he either flicks it hard back where it came from, or keeps pushing it short. Make sure to reset every time, otherwise it's cheating. Block/counter the flick and...

Those are good videos, Carl. It looks pretty basic, but I think we can all practice that more. For the coordination.

Hey. What are the important points to consider for a penhold grip compared to a shakehand grip? How important is the wrapping of the thumb and index? How does it effect the stroke? What about the other fingers: can you for example RPB with straight fingers or is there a definite reason why...

So it's about the ever important context? I suppose, I'm not going to argue. Perhaps to clarify, I don't mean to say that finger up = tight grip. It's case of which came first, the chicken or the egg? You can have the finger all the way up on the blade face, yet have your grip relaxed. A...

Free internet resources and coaches' answers on the internet. I think if I talked to a coach in person they would say the same. Carl, did I say that? I can only remember "Let me tell you that you were gripping the handle, and you still are. That's why your index finger goes up on the rubber on...

For sure. How else would Musa and other players got the grips they have? Coaches also talk about not "denying" a developing player's grip if they can make it work. Some people are just made for some grips. Just do it smartly, I guess.

I guess I should have used the term "standard grip" instead of "neutral" grip. My reasoning was that because we're not as good as Musa, who indeed can probably play so well he'd beat most of us with a spoon, we shouldn't get too specialized with our grips because then the rest of the game will...

Having a Nigerian table tennis player on your forum, and being curious as to what Nigeria's table tennis history and current level is probably helps... But, alas, I can't find any good video. Supposedly he's damn good, but I've never seen him really go at it. All I remembered is the great loops...

I've seen him playing in some clubs in the US in videos, but I'm not saying I've been there to see him in his prime when he was younger. I think it's pretty obvious that my knowledge of him comes from recordings and other historic records. He's not exactly so obscure that I'd never run into...

Carl, if you keep the finger high on the blade face, BUT you also incorrectly press on the handle with the rest of your hand, there's a tendency for the finger to go even more up. Musa's grip is fine even with the Hasegawa finger placement because he's not death gripping the handle with the...