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The other rubber is battle 2 (39 degrees). A bit slower than D09c but just as controllable, it is quite a heavy rubber though.

Hi, Just got the new Donic Whiper Outer Carbon - 88g (5.85 mm) , its under 1/2 the price of a butterfly equivalent. Put a D09c on FH and Battle 2 soft (37) backhand, had a brief hit with it (about 15 minutes). A colleague tried it to and is considering in getting oneheeague My initial thoughts...

If you want one of the most controlled outer alc blade - the butterfly outer force alc, it's inbetween a innerforce and outer force blade for speed. Great control. A little slower than viscaria and timo boll but has more control and good feeling if you use to all wood blade. Steve

Anyone tried this blade ??

Hi, Has anyone tried the Donic Whiper Outer carbon? It looks like a fairly new blade and fairly cheap? Any Thoughts. Thanks

Thanks , how does the TBS compare with Timo boll ALC and Viscaria then?

So more control in the short game? Similar speed ??

How does the FZD alc compare with Timo boll spirit - for speed, control and feel. Thanks

Hi, Wondering has anyone had both blades ? How do the two compare in speed and control and feeling. Which would have less catapult and easier to mange spin and in the short game too. Thanks

I have used 4 of those rubbers including Razka 7, - Razka z and Glayzer 09c - highest throw rubbers and higher than Razka 7 - but would not be much faster than Razka 7. Both have lots of control but G09c would be more controllable, Razka z more spinny and highest throw - to high for some blades...

I have used a few of the Razka rubbers. Razka z is the highest throw (sometimes to high and a heavy rubber) great spin and control (slower than dignics 09c) Razka 7 medium throw, not very fast lots of control , Razka x is probably the lowest throw of the lot, faster than 7. A friend has xx its...

I use Yinhe pro 1 too, with Razka z (2.1 backhand) and dignics 05 (1.9 forehand) . I was using dignics 09c (2.1) forehand but found a bit heavy with both rubbers. Less head heavy now. I flip forehand/backhand if I was more speed d05 if more spin Razka z so I can choose which one for forehand or...

I use glayzer 09c (2.1) on the backhand with FZD alc and dignics 9c (2.1) on the forehand. A good pairing, plenty of control and spin with reasonable speed.

Nittaku g1, the new Hammond z2

Dignics good alternative to tenergy , generally less catapult more linear

The other blade - if you don't want to spend much money is yinhe pro 01 , similar to viscaria but more dwell and control and a little stiffer.

Yes Freitas is a bit stiffer than viscaria but it has more dwell and slightly slower, higher throw (more arc) and easier close to the table - not as much catapult.

The Butterfly Marcos Freitas ALC is in between the harimoto and Viscaria/FZD for speed. More control than Viscaria and close to the Harimoto. Harimoto is a larger head and I found it a bit head heavy, I actually preferred the innerforce over the harimto as less head heavier and seem more agile...

The Nittaku acoustic inner carbon we have is about 93g. Its probably a bit more solid than the 86g version.

The nittaku acoustic inner is a good blade, it works well with harder rubbers, you can start with something like glayzer 05 and go up to dignics 05 or 09c. I had one gave to my son, he started with butterfly primorac and now the nittaku is his main competition blade.