50/50 match despite opponents level

[NakiMaki]

I'm having some issue regarding competition. I'm 19 I play in Denmark at around the 1800-2000 TTR rating (2100-2400 USATTR) been playing for 2,5 years, slender east asian build 170cm. I've noticed that most of the games i play. I have the same odds of winning as of losing. Despite how "good" or "bad" my opponent is. I figured it was due to unforced errors or lacking "consistency", which is what i have focused on in my training recently, but seems like i have trouble converting it to match situations. I'm not really sure what kinds of responses i'm looking for, just shoot some shots for tips. Thank you in advance

 

[NetProphet]

You're 19, have only been playing 2.5 yrs and have already reached US TTR 2400....

Sounds unrealistic (I might be wrong) but okay....

Assuming your opponents are around the same level as you then the probability of winning being as you describe is pretty accurate, unless you're 2400 playing a 2100 in which case you should never lose.
What level are you?
What level are the players you are beating?
What level are the players you are losing to?

But also, if you've been extensively coached for 30 mths to reach this level and must have already played 100s of matches, how have you not covered the topic of bringing training performance to matches, tactics V different styles, how to figure opponents weaknesses etc?

All that said there is not enough specific info for me to offer any advice beyond the keys to a good game being the ability to remain relaxed under pressure and figuring a game plan and sticking to it - both being mental aspects of the game.
In any case I recon your coach should be best placed to analyse your losses or errors for you 🤷

 

[ZFT]

Just recently been to a scammer-beware training session, so forgive the scepticism. But….

Brand new account - check.
Quite extraordinary claim without proof - check.
Question that doesn’t match the ability - check.
Story that feels off - check.
Classic too good to be true vibes - check.
Smells more like bait than curiosity - check.

If what you say is true, it would make a great origin story for a box office table tennis film.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I think OP gave himself too much credit
1800 vs 2000 TTR is 1 to 2 level difference, just like 2100 vs 2400 USATT is also very difference.
even if he was the lower end, 1800/2100 and say he was a miracle talent that started 16.5 and can get to such a level.

1) He would require a coach, and he should be asking the coach this question
2) He isn't such a level, and we can just talk about the table tennis part
I feel he is not moving his feet correctly or getting tensed up. Impossible to really guess without video footage

 

[NakiMaki]

I think OP gave himself too much credit
1800 vs 2000 TTR is 1 to 2 level difference, just like 2100 vs 2400 USATT is also very difference.
even if he was the lower end, 1800/2100 and say he was a miracle talent that started 16.5 and can get to such a level.

1) He would require a coach, and he should be asking the coach this question
2) He isn't such a level, and we can just talk about the table tennis part
I feel he is not moving his feet correctly or getting tensed up. Impossible to really guess without video footage

I see I might have highballed the rating conversion. It’s probably more realistic to put me at 2000 usttr at the highest depending on region ofc. The reason I’m asking this is because I’m without coach of course. I’m primarily training with players rated 1800-1900 TTR and can compete with them pretty evenly. I had 1 year dedicated to training when I first started so with 20-25 hours every week. Now it’s less at about 12-16 hours a week. But my rating is purely estimated due to rarely competing in tournaments or any rating based leagues. Therefore I have to “eyeball” it in comparison to my my training team. So I lack “real” match experience when I eventually do compete in league or tournaments.

I’ll try to get some match recordings, but I do not own a phone stand.
Hope this clarifies

I have other athletic background in other sports and also played badminton, so didn’t really start tabletennis at “0”. Also background in semi-professional esports so training and practice with purpose is also something I’m very familiar with.

 

[NakiMaki]

You're 19, have only been playing 2.5 yrs and have already reached US TTR 2400....

Sounds unrealistic (I might be wrong) but okay....

Assuming your opponents are around the same level as you then the probability of winning being as you describe is pretty accurate, unless you're 2400 playing a 2100 in which case you should never lose.
What level are you?
What level are the players you are beating?
What level are the players you are losing to?

But also, if you've been extensively coached for 30 mths to reach this level and must have already played 100s of matches, how have you not covered the topic of bringing training performance to matches, tactics V different styles, how to figure opponents weaknesses etc?

All that said there is not enough specific info for me to offer any advice beyond the keys to a good game being the ability to remain relaxed under pressure and figuring a game plan and sticking to it - both being mental aspects of the game.
In any case I recon your coach should be best placed to analyse your losses or errors for you 🤷

Check my other reply. I’m without coach and rarely participate in real tournaments or leagues. Might clarify better

 

[NakiMaki]

Just recently been to a scammer-beware training session, so forgive the scepticism. But….

Brand new account - check.
Quite extraordinary claim without proof - check.
Question that doesn’t match the ability - check.
Story that feels off - check.
Classic too good to be true vibes - check.
Smells more like bait than curiosity - check.

If what you say is true, it would make a great origin story for a box office table tennis film.

No scammer here check my other reply, might have highballed the rating conversion. But I’m most definitely real and not lying

 

[Yuomay]

Well there’s also a factor to consider, skill level does not equal rating level at all…

When playing for something, even something as silly as rating points, stress and pressure take another dimension completely.

 

[jk1980]

You winning or competing in training matches against a 2000 rating player does not make you of similar rating. Higher level players will of course use the opportunity to test new techniques or tactics that they lack practice in against lower players like you. This will probably lead to many unforced errors on their side, but they do it knowing that they can instantly switch a gear up and play what they know they can do consistently and still win.

We have players between 1000 and 1750 TTR in the club and if a 1200 player does a training match against a 1750 TTR player and the lower rated player wins a game off of him nobody in their right mind would claim that the two players were anywhere close in terms of rating.
It's just kindness of the higher rated player not exploiting the glaring weaknesses and playing to have fun and to get into a rally.

 

[NetProphet]

Check my other reply. I’m without coach and rarely participate in real tournaments or leagues. Might clarify better

Cool.
Well it's impossible to get tailored advice without a coach or at least an experienced player to analyse your matches.
There are lots of discussions on match play and tactics though, and also many good books worth reading on this subject that can help translate practice into results.

Be careful on statements about your level too I would say, overestimating it won't help you in the long run and there are so many silly posts across the forum that many ppl (especially those worth listening to!) tend to be selective about who they're gonna help (or not) so if your questions don't tend match your stated level you can easily get ignored, just my observations.

If you want more specific help in here I'd suggest uploading videos to the 'approved critics' section where you'll only get feedback from experienced players and members who actually know what they're talking about.
Good luck

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

We have players between 1000 and 1750 TTR in the club and if a 1200 player does a training match against a 1750 TTR player and the lower rated player wins a game off of him nobody in their right mind would claim that the two players were anywhere close in terms of rating.

you would think so, but even our own ttd mathematicians get stuck in such logic.
hence that is why I suggested in official tournaments - where both parties have a stake to gain or loose.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I’ll try to get some match recordings, but I do not own a phone stand.

get a chair, put your water bottle standing up, and your phone resting on it, hopefully that can help.

just do a recording and see how the angle is (so it isn't titling too much to the roof)