Advice against annoying style

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My coach told me that Flextra goes pretty well with this nice one ply cutting board. Maybe I will change my mind and will try it.
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Last night I played a really annoying style and totally screwed it up. The guy wasn't a high level player, maybe 1700 and I've seen him lose commonly to lower level players. But I have a problem of freezing up and becoming super hesitant when I'm uncomfortable.

First, the thing that troubles me the most is that he has a really unorthodox FH loop. It's not a loop that you think of normally, but he brushes under and side of the ball, and no exaggeration every FH loop of his is basically a snake shot like Adam Bobrow. To make it even worse, he is left-handed, so his loop goes into my BH. I would estimate his fh loop ball jumps about 30cm to my left after it bounces on the table. So I really feel stuck here. I can't really attack the ball because I don't know where the ball is going to be, and its hard because its on my bh side. What I usually do is wait to see where the ball goes before I block it back. But even then, I still missed a lot of these blocks, and it also just gave him an easy ball to smash. How can I deal with this snake shot into my bh?

The other big issue I had was with his serve. From his bh position, he just swipes at the ball and it has heavy sidespin. I didn't know how to receive this, so I kinda defaulted to a push shot. But then my push just goes crazy, sometimes into the net, sometimes pops up high. I think the ball sometimes has slight under or slight topspin, and so my push ends up getting killed to both balls.
For the serve, take it early by 'smothering' it on the side he is spinning. Example, if he is swiping right as you look at him then get over the right side of the ball and 'off the bounce' dig quick and short at the ball, you will neutralise the spin. You have to change bat angle depending on whether the service has top or backspin (I wish I had a vid for you as explaining in writing is difficult...) but practice this and soon you will control the length of return and then also the direction. Get training partners to serve you this. It doesn't take too long before sidespin serves will no longer be an issue for you. Also check out some vids on sidespin serves return basics to get the mechanics etc dead clear in your head. Make this a part of ALL your training sessions and I reckon you got it in a month! Done.
Or just loop it when it comes long? There's always a flick option too.

As for that funky loop to your BH, I suspect it's your footwork that's letting you down first. You should be like a crab and scuttled over to that BH corner very quickly - you know what's coming and you know you need your body behind the ball to hit a proper quality BH return.
Once you're in position then
(1) block down the line (as already suggested) to his BH (as he's a leftie) or
(2) When your footwork gets you in position then aim your BH topspin return to his BH side, straight down the line. He has sidespin on it so maybe aim just wide if the table to allow for that sidespin. Put 100% concentration into your stroke, slow spinny quality contact is all you need, don't try to hit a winner but just get it on the table! That's it, that's your starting point. Get back into position cos the rally is on!
Once footwork and shot choice are clear in your mind the rest is just your training coming into play so gom for it!
Also, in match situations, stop giving him balls that allow him to play that shot, especially on your serve.
BTW, was it a tournament you played him or just a training night? When will you play him again?
 
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Last night I played a really annoying style and totally screwed it up. The guy wasn't a high level player, maybe 1700 and I've seen him lose commonly to lower level players. But I have a problem of freezing up and becoming super hesitant when I'm uncomfortable.

First, the thing that troubles me the most is that he has a really unorthodox FH loop. It's not a loop that you think of normally, but he brushes under and side of the ball, and no exaggeration every FH loop of his is basically a snake shot like Adam Bobrow. To make it even worse, he is left-handed, so his loop goes into my BH. I would estimate his fh loop ball jumps about 30cm to my left after it bounces on the table. So I really feel stuck here. I can't really attack the ball because I don't know where the ball is going to be, and its hard because its on my bh side. What I usually do is wait to see where the ball goes before I block it back. But even then, I still missed a lot of these blocks, and it also just gave him an easy ball to smash. How can I deal with this snake shot into my bh?

The other big issue I had was with his serve. From his bh position, he just swipes at the ball and it has heavy sidespin. I didn't know how to receive this, so I kinda defaulted to a push shot. But then my push just goes crazy, sometimes into the net, sometimes pops up high. I think the ball sometimes has slight under or slight topspin, and so my push ends up getting killed to both balls.
Hey man,

on the surface it may feel like you freeze up and everything suddenly goes to shit when its match time. That's purely a symptom of a larger problem.

Larger problem: You haven't developed the tools in your skillsets to deal with the nuances he gives you. I'll give you the very common example of pushing against serves that are topspin.

We humans do this because:

1.) We have at times misread the serve - Solution: Learn how to read Topspin and distinguish how it's different to other spins - I linked a video to this in the previous thread where you asked about returning serve.

2.) It's comfortable to push. And human beings psychologically will always do what is comfortable for them. The solution: Develop your ability to read topspin serve (as said in point 1), and also develop your ability to play a flick so that you can stop putting these serves up for him to hit. How well you return serve quite literally changes the dynamic of the point right then and there, COMPLETELY.

Often we return serve badly against someone and then think and feel to ourselves "man... how does someone actually beat this guy" and then we see others destroy this person or have zero trouble, because they didn't let them start every point with a huge advantage haha.

In terms of how he is a bit dodgy for you as a lefty, you'll need to get comfortable with the things that you are currently uncomfortable with. These struggles you are having against him highlight bigger issues, which ultimately is the inability to

1.) Understand nuances of the game
2.) Control points from the very start (serve and receive - remember that table tennis points have an average shot length of 1-4, yet so many people practice side by side footwork in their training 99% of their time - which is super sad to see them wasting their time in not developing the things that really matter and move them forward as a player). Service, receive and third/fourth ball is where matches are won and lost.

If you want more customized help and for me to review your matches personally, jump onto my FREE skool community here: -> https://www.skool.com/letsthinklikeeliteathletes
 
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