Change from Bfy to ESN

[dave_dd]

Hi guys,

last time I was in our training facility, my forehand rubber (Dignics 05) did not grip the ball in a few situations, costing me the point.
Maybe it was me, maybe it was the rubber, I felt it was the rubber (due to age or maybe dirty/wet ball).
I feel like it may be time for a new one. In any case I would replace them in about 5 weeks.
I would like to ask if anyone can tell me how the feeling will change if I swap my current setup:
- Blade: Franziska ZLC
- Forehand: Dignics 05 1.9mm
- Backhand: Glayzer 09c 1.9mm

To:
same blade
- Forehand: Stiga Helix Platinum H (2.3mm)
- Backhand: Andro Nuzn 45 1.9mm

I already know it will weigh roughly the same. Is this a big "upgrade" in terms of speed/speed or will I be just fine after a few sessions?
My level is 1550 German rating, so nothing special.
Greetings David

 

[Tembel]

I can very much recommend Stiga Helix Platinum for FH. I have switched from D09c to Helix recently and it works better for me. Looping close and further away from the table is where the rubber really shines. Grip is much better on Helix Platinum than DNA Platinum.

 

[disaster3]

I had the same situation. I was tempted to buy finally Andro Syntheliac VCI OFF because of 3 reasons. It was in weekly sales on tt11 , I've never played classic (150x157mm) InnerStructure blade, I've never had Andro blade .
Nevertheless, Yesterday it came to me, really fast glued both rubbers (brand new D05) and Joola Dynaryz Inferno (almost new after 2 training sessions), went to training late afternoon/evening. This time weather in Poland is not good 7-12*C, high humidity and we have a venue with 10 tables. Usually 2-3 tables are free because, there 10 to 14 people on the training. Yesterday came 20+ people and on some table they were playing doubles but.... in this weather condition after warm ups, and 10-15 minutes of some training drills, due to the large number of people, sweat, etc. Almost everyone rubbers (offensive ones) they acted like they were antitopspin ones. Balls was sliding on them af.... i cannot lift any balls, forget about lifting ball after backspin, everything went to the net.
One guy who had tibhar MX-P was playing normal I ran my finger along his rubber and there was a lot of grip unlike mine.
It was a nightmare yesterday. Going forward test session of new Andro blade was not successful. It seems that softer rubbers in such condition work better. I remember year ago when I was using H3 Neo Prov..... it was a nightmare, too.... and recall that Tenergies were better.

 

[kapahoo]

Aren't ESN-rubbers usually significantly heavier?
They used to be anyway but it may have changed.

 

[Airoc]

- Forehand: Stiga Helix Platinum H (2.3mm)
- Backhand: Andro Nuzn 45 1.9mm

Generally I think the change can be made, although I have yet to play with Helix.

Two things to consider maybe, from 1,9 mm Dignics to 2,3 mm ESN could take a little more time to adjust than 2,1 mm, but you will know best if that´s a reason to worry.
And another issue might be the good durability of Dignics, while there aren´t many opinions yet on that of the Helix which costs the same, but can probably be bought with a discount.

Replacing Glayzer 09c with NUZN 45 seems like a good idea to me anyway.

 

[Abakus02]

If you really want a grippier rubber, look into ESN hybrids or chinese tacky rubbers. Also dignics 09c has better grip than d05. But honestly dignics 05 is a great rubber that has plenty of grip, so i would bet that it's more of a technique and timing issue than a rubber issue. Neither of those rubbers are upgrades in terms of anything, maybe 1 of them might suit you a little bit better, but it's a waste of money in my opinion.

 

[dave_dd]

I have those rubbers in my house already, so no additional money wasted. I just wanted ot know if the feeling changes drastically or not, that's all.

 

[vossi39]

In my personal experience, BTY behave differently to ESN rubbers. I played ESN Hybrids since they came out and tried BTY Glayzer 09c and the difference for me was too much and I changed back to ESN. I found the BTY rubber reacted differently when brushing the ball vs. when driving through the ball. This difference for my was annoying and lead to a lot of mistakes during play. So I wonder if a change on BH would be feasable. Also there is significant difference in hardness between G09C and Nuzn 45, which will also need adaptation.

 

[Abakus02]

I have those rubbers in my house already, so no additional money wasted. I just wanted ot know if the feeling changes drastically or not, that's all.

Ah alright, then you can try gluing the new rubbers and trying them out and seeing for yourself. You can always glue back the old rubbers if you dont like the new ones. But in general, both d05 and g09c have very good grip. Maybe they dont react well to heavy humidity in your playing venue, but i doubt it. Im not sure how the feeling with the new rubbers will be, but i doubt that they will "catch" the ball better. Dignics 05 is a very durable rubber, unless you are training intensely 4-5 times a week, it should last you a year or so, if its older than that it could be that its worn out and needs changing. Im not sure about g09c durability.

 

[joshmak10]

Playing ESN is okay for me (Dragon Power 55 is my favourite hybrid ESN) but their durability is quite awful to me. It’s why i’ve switched to using either 09c, H8-20, or H8-80 (and on occasion, H3) as their price-durability-shot quality balance for me is the absolute kings of the BH

 

[NetProphet]

Hi guys,

last time I was in our training facility, my forehand rubber (Dignics 05) did not grip the ball in a few situations, costing me the point.
Maybe it was me, maybe it was the rubber, I felt it was the rubber (due to age or maybe dirty/wet ball).
I feel like it may be time for a new one. In any case I would replace them in about 5 weeks.
I would like to ask if anyone can tell me how the feeling will change if I swap my current setup:
- Blade: Franziska ZLC
- Forehand: Dignics 05 1.9mm
- Backhand: Glayzer 09c 1.9mm

To:
same blade
- Forehand: Stiga Helix Platinum H (2.3mm)
- Backhand: Andro Nuzn 45 1.9mm

I already know it will weigh roughly the same. Is this a big "upgrade" in terms of speed/speed or will I be just fine after a few sessions?
My level is 1550 German rating, so nothing special.
Greetings David

They're aren't many rubbers with more grip than D05.
If the problem was dampness and wet ball as you suspect then the rubber is not the issue and the problem will persist with every rubber.
If it's not a wet ball then perhaps it's the sponge hardness not giving you enough dwell?
Can I ask why you are moving away from the Glayzer 09c?
I know you used it as a BH rubber but have you tried it on FH?

I can't comment speed of those new rubbers you are considering or whether you will be able to use them.on Fran ZLC but 1550 is decent and you obviously know how to play so I am more curious for your reasons for swapping.

 

[impluse101]

I had the same situation. I was tempted to buy finally Andro Syntheliac VCI OFF because of 3 reasons. It was in weekly sales on tt11 , I've never played classic (150x157mm) InnerStructure blade, I've never had Andro blade .
Nevertheless, Yesterday it came to me, really fast glued both rubbers (brand new D05) and Joola Dynaryz Inferno (almost new after 2 training sessions), went to training late afternoon/evening. This time weather in Poland is not good 7-12*C, high humidity and we have a venue with 10 tables. Usually 2-3 tables are free because, there 10 to 14 people on the training. Yesterday came 20+ people and on some table they were playing doubles but.... in this weather condition after warm ups, and 10-15 minutes of some training drills, due to the large number of people, sweat, etc. Almost everyone rubbers (offensive ones) they acted like they were antitopspin ones. Balls was sliding on them af.... i cannot lift any balls, forget about lifting ball after backspin, everything went to the net.
One guy who had tibhar MX-P was playing normal I ran my finger along his rubber and there was a lot of grip unlike mine.
It was a nightmare yesterday. Going forward test session of new Andro blade was not successful. It seems that softer rubbers in such condition work better. I remember year ago when I was using H3 Neo Prov..... it was a nightmare, too.... and recall that Tenergies were better.
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not having a blade from another brand is a legitimate reason to get one I'd do the same. Cheers!

 

[NetProphet]

I have those rubbers in my house already, so no additional money wasted. I just wanted ot know if the feeling changes drastically or not, that's all.

Hang on, you already have the rubbers!
If you already have them then just go use them and then you tell us your experience as regards the difference.
Not much point is 100 different hypotheticals about how it might be when you already have them.

Nobody can really tell you how you will experience it anyway. Every player is different and your blade is not common but the difference will almost certainly be big.
The 4 rubbers in question are all quite different imo.

 

[dave_dd]

They're aren't many rubbers with more grip than D05.
If the problem was dampness and wet ball as you suspect then the rubber is not the issue and the problem will persist with every rubber.
If it's not a wet ball then perhaps it's the sponge hardness not giving you enough dwell?
Can I ask why you are moving away from the Glayzer 09c?
I know you used it as a BH rubber but have you tried it on FH?

I can't comment speed of those new rubbers you are considering or whether you will be able to use them.on Fran ZLC but 1550 is decent and you obviously know how to play so I am more curious for your reasons for swapping.

I still have one more sheet of Glayzer 09c for my backhand. I didn't even know its ESN hardness was around 50-52°. Normally I played medium hard rubbers on my backhand (such as Xiom Omega 7 eur or Joola Tronix Acc). I am doing quite well with my backhand right now.
I am "swapping" due to EJ reasons, I am just curious how the Andro rubber plays and in case I don't like it, I will put my G09C back on the blade.
It's just my current rubbers are nearing its end of life, that's why I would like to try something new.

I will glue them on today and let you know

 

[Egon]

I still have one more sheet of Glayzer 09c for my backhand. I didn't even know its ESN hardness was around 50-52°. Normally I played medium hard rubbers on my backhand (such as Xiom Omega 7 eur or Joola Tronix Acc). I am doing quite well with my backhand right now.
I am "swapping" due to EJ reasons, I am just curious how the Andro rubber plays and in case I don't like it, I will put my G09C back on the blade.
It's just my current rubbers are nearing its end of life, that's why I would like to try something new.

I will glue them on today and let you know

The combination of rubber and blade is important. With a Viscaria-type blade (external reinforcement and koto on surface) the G09C feels completely different than with a inner structure blade with limba on surface.

 

[Robin0910]

Playing ESN is okay for me (Dragon Power 55 is my favourite hybrid ESN) but their durability is quite awful to me. It’s why i’ve switched to using either 09c, H8-20, or H8-80 (and on occasion, H3) as their price-durability-shot quality balance for me is the absolute kings of the BH

Can you compare dragon power to d09c or Stiga DNA HYBRID?

 

[joshmak10]

Can you compare dragon power to d09c or Stiga DNA HYBRID?

I haven’t played Dna hybrid but compared to 09c, dragon power is slightly faster, slightly less spin, and slightly softer. Their throw angles to me feel very similar. Dragon power is also less sticky than 09c

 

[NetProphet]

I still have one more sheet of Glayzer 09c for my backhand. I didn't even know its ESN hardness was around 50-52°. Normally I played medium hard rubbers on my backhand (such as Xiom Omega 7 eur or Joola Tronix Acc). I am doing quite well with my backhand right now.
I am "swapping" due to EJ reasons, I am just curious how the Andro rubber plays and in case I don't like it, I will put my G09C back on the blade.
It's just my current rubbers are nearing its end of life, that's why I would like to try something new.

I hear ya! I went through quite a few rubbers too at one stage just to experience what the differences actually are. It can be equal parts fun and frustrating so here's hoping you have mostly fun!

I will glue them on today and let you know

That will be very interesting, do give us a report after you've played some.

I am considering a swap from DIGNICS 09c to Glayzer 09c on my FH, just to see how much easier the softer sponge is to play and also to see if (at my level) the loss of speed makes much difference. I have put a lot of coaching hours in with the 09c to hit harder and better use it and it's gone well the past 4-5 months but I suspect may prefer the softer rubber.
If you decide to sell that unused G09c you have let me know 😉