Chinese special blue sponge degree differences

[JoeZhendong]

Looking for experiences with softer blue sponge of chinese tacky rubbers on forehand. I played commercial Hurricane 3 Neo 40* before and felt that I could not get the best out of it. I've gone through many setups, but eventually settled down with Palio Energy 03 with Palio AK47 Red FH and AK47 Blue BH. This setup has tremendously helped me work on my technique. I decided to glue that same old H3Neo to a Sanwei CC Carbon and was surprised how much better it is now. I planning to upgrade and want to play Battle II blue sponge. Should I get the National over the Provincial? I also feel that I want to play with a softer sponge. How does the 38* play in comparison to the 39*? I do not plan to boost the rubber at all.

 

[Tyce]

Hurricane sponge is definitely easier to use with carbon behind it, so your experience there makes sense.
I don't know specifics about Battle 2, but in general I feel National versions are cash grabs. Why not try the Provincial first?

Also, I know you ask about Battle 2 but for Hurricane, it's said the 38 plays similar to the 39 but the 37 is a different thing. In my opinion it has a softer topsheet and the combination becomes mushy real quick even before boosting.
Having played H3 neo in 39 I would recommend trying 38 just to make it easier to learn how to get the best contact with the sponge. The 37 really helped me with that but it lacked the firm topsheet feeling so if I were to try playing that again, I would definitely go to the 38d.

 

[Jslick89]

I have only used Hurricane 3 NEO but the way i progressed:

1) Commerical h3n no booster (fun)
2) same h3n but then boosted regular seamoon (more fun)
3) prov 39 degree OS boosted with seamon (even more fun)
4) prov 40 degree OS boosted with national yellow (most fun i've had so far)
5) prov 39 blue sponge boosted with national yellow (just put this rubber on last week...its a lot more work but the shots are definitely a little higher quality. i have to close my paddle face a little more because most of my missed shots were going long off the table...also have to swing a little faster to engage this rubber. like its harder to engage the 39 bs than it is the 40d OS.)

So basically i started off soft and then worked my way to harder. softer rubbers i used less booster...harder rubbers i used more booster or an additional layer.

 

[The0rigina1]

Why compare H3 blue sponge with 729 battle blue sponge? completely different

 

[Tyce]

Why compare H3 blue sponge with 729 battle blue sponge? completely different

They're both porous, as opposed to the dense orange sponge, and blue, and meant to be easily boosted and used on the FH.

 

[The0rigina1]

They're both porous, as opposed to the dense orange sponge, and blue, and meant to be easily boosted and used on the FH.

Battle 2 is promoted to have tensor/energy sponge (pre-boosted?) and doesn't react to boosters the same way as DHS sponge

 

[JoeZhendong]

Why compare H3 blue sponge with 729 battle blue sponge? completely different

I was just stating that my experience is with hurricane and not making a comparison between the two. The comparison I wanted to know is between provincial and national and the degrees of 38 and 39. My question maybe more directed to Battle II, but would also listen to any experience with Hurricane.

 

[Egon]

H3 has this feature - it softens over time. Moreover, not only the sponge but also the topsheet becomes softer. Personally, I like 39 degree with a seamoon. Professionals play with harder sponges, but at the same time they apply more layers of booster, which ultimately gives more power.

 

[JoeZhendong]

I went with Battle 2 Provincial Blue Sponge 38. So far I'm impressed with my forehand loops and drives. When hitting consistent, the people that I usually play with have not been able to return my forehand loop kills. The only thing that I have an issue with is that the topsheet is not as tacky as I want it to be after a few months of use. The commercial H3N that I have from 10 years ago is still very very tacky; a lot more than this provincial B2. Is it normal for provincial to be less tacky? How does the national B2 topsheet tackiness compare to the provincial?

 

[lodro]

I went with Battle 2 Provincial Blue Sponge 38. So far I'm impressed with my forehand loops and drives. When hitting consistent, the people that I usually play with have not been able to return my forehand loop kills. They only thing that I have an issue with is that the topsheet is not as tacky as I want it to be after a few months of use. The commercial H3N that I have from 10 years ago is still very very tacky; a lot more than this provincial B2. Is it normal for provincial to be less tacky? How does the national B2 topsheet tackiness compare to the provincial?

It is a fact that many Chinese tacky rubbers are now manufactured with less tackiness.
This trend goes through most brands and nobody has yet come forwards with an reason why.

 

[The0rigina1]

It is a fact that many Chinese tacky rubbers are now manufactured with less tackiness.
This trend goes through most brands and nobody has yet come forwards with an reason why.

Too much tackiness will make the ball dwell longer on the rubber/remain in contact with the rubber longer making the returning ball slower

 

[lodro]

Too much tackiness will make the ball dwell longer on the rubber/remain in contact with the rubber longer making the returning ball slower

Yes of course you are correct but just for a moment try to forget speed and think SPIN.

But the real point I was trying to make is that many chinese rubbers were suddenly sold under the same name but much less tackiness. We were always able to buy chinese rubbers without tackiness but bought rubbers from china BECAUSE they were tacky.
At my low level of play I can still produce enough speed with my tacky rubbers to piss off many opponents. 😂

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It is a fact that many Chinese tacky rubbers are now manufactured with less tackiness.
This trend goes through most brands and nobody has yet come forwards with an reason why.

reasons has been going on for years, it seems like that you just do not acknowledge it, so keep thinking no reason has come forward.

Too much tackiness will make the ball dwell longer on the rubber/remain in contact with the rubber longer making the returning ball slower

correct, since the 40+ ball required the extra speed and this has suited well for the users of Hurricane 3 that I know.

 

[lodro]

reasons has been going on for years, it seems like that you just do not acknowledge it, so keep thinking no reason has come forward.

correct, since the 40+ ball required the extra speed and this has suited well for the users of Hurricane 3 that I know.

Looks like not even Pro Coach + Pro Agent (Taiwanese, Japanese,etc. can get it right.
First up: it might have escaped you but SPIN also has slowed down with the bigger ball. I started to use H3 in 2018 and the rubbers were then still so sticky that one could lift up a ball and it would stick to the rubber for well over 10 seconds. Not anymore.

Secondly: Many punters have, and still are buying rubbers that once were very tacky and express their disappointment when they find the previous sticky rubber has turned into a non-sticky rubber.
The advertisements have however never changed. They advertise the same rubber as they did 10 years ago and THAT is what is wrong.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Looks like not even Pro Coach + Pro Agent (Taiwanese, Japanese,etc. can get it right.
First up: it might have escaped you but SPIN also has slowed down with the bigger ball. I started to use H3 in 2018 and the rubbers were then still so sticky that one could lift up a ball and it would stick to the rubber for well over 10 seconds. Not anymore.

yeah, I might not get it right for hobby players.
but you don't spin the ball by having it stick onto the topsheet....
or you think sticking the ball on more, becomes more spin? lol
does your science tell you, that more stick = spins it more, and not slows the ball down?

you really need to increase your knowledge.
a company like DHS, which is the market leader in this kind of technology can get it right you know.
DHS success is also demonstrate by all those ESN companies that are trying to clone the "best" H3 alternative and how many of them has gone the super sticky route?

I guess, hobby players get it right more.
I some times wish that you can start making some table tennis rubbers, to put your mouth at work and see if your supper sticky rubber can out spin this new H3 rubber - which out spins the best and most expensive Butterfly rubbers.

otherwise, all the stuff you type to me is just pure nonsense.

Secondly: Many punters have, and still are buying rubbers that once were very tacky and express their disappointment when they find the previous sticky rubber has turned into a non-sticky rubber.
The advertisements have however never changed. They advertise the same rubber as they did 10 years ago and THAT is what is wrong.

what ever the punters says, is there right.
We all know its new Hurricane 3, it even has a new packaging.....

PS, in my Pro space, you don't hit the ball with the topsheet.
If you cannot get the ball to absorb into the sponge, you should really stay away from Hurricane 3.
That's enough pro advise to you!

 

[lodro]

you really need to increase your knowledge.

Well, I wish you would stop being a dick but one can't get everything

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Well, I wish you would stop being a dick but one can't get everything

and I wish for you to stop your moaning for a sticky top sheet, I bet you will still be doing the same moaning in 2035,

 

[The0rigina1]

Yes of course you are correct but just for a moment try to forget speed and think SPIN.

But the real point I was trying to make is that many chinese rubbers were suddenly sold under the same name but much less tackiness. We were always able to buy chinese rubbers without tackiness but bought rubbers from china BECAUSE they were tacky.
At my low level of play I can still produce enough speed with my tacky rubbers to piss off many opponents. 😂

Um I don't understand, I explained why tackiness is reduced (an adaptation to bigger and heavier ball) and then you tell me to forget the reason why it's done?

 

[CPLTRGMB]

I went with Battle 2 Provincial Blue Sponge 38. So far I'm impressed with my forehand loops and drives. When hitting consistent, the people that I usually play with have not been able to return my forehand loop kills. The only thing that I have an issue with is that the topsheet is not as tacky as I want it to be after a few months of use. The commercial H3N that I have from 10 years ago is still very very tacky; a lot more than this provincial B2. Is it normal for provincial to be less tacky? How does the national B2 topsheet tackiness compare to the provincial?

I bought( last year ) 2 sheets of b2pbs, its true that it's less tackier than bloom power(affordable and really good rubber)
At this point I'm happy that its tacky enough to lift the ball for a few moments.
Then, last week I got a sheet of b2nation bs special supply(the one with the blue packaging)
Still not as tacky as bloom power, h3 or h8, but STILL the low throw angle is a delight, services? You can win a lot of points if you have trained that area of your game.

Ps. I always try to get 40° sponge.

 

[lodro]

Um I don't understand, I explained why tackiness is reduced (an adaptation to bigger and heavier ball) and then you tell me to forget the reason why it's done?

Again: I also understand why the manufacturers chose to change the recipe to adapt to the bigger heavier ball and my point is that they undertook these changes using the same wording in their advertising , the same name and also the same ITTF number. In short for our money we now get a completely different rubber and this is what is not right.