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I have been using H3 for many years, but my last H3 National Blue sponge has been a disappointment. Very little tack or grip. Using on an S968. Any options that anyone can suggest. If I could find the last H3 commercial that I had on the blade, I'd go back to it.
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Is it only for me or Haifu Seamoon really does last only for 1-2 days?
When I boost (or reboost, it doesn't matter) with 1 layer of Haifu the effect on the first day is amazing. The second day is already meh, playable but already feels dead'ish. And on the third and later it's unplayable pretty much...
I am boosting Skyline 2 prov. blue sponge. I think it's the same for Hurricane rubbers.
I've tried falco long time ago, but forgot how long does it last...any suggestion on the longer-lasting booster? I think I am on the verge of switching from DHS FH since 1-2 days is just too much of a hassle to boost that frequently...
It's also quite dry where I live since cold Russian winters require much heating and that causes the air to be a bit too dry, may be that affects how fast the booster evaporates? It really sinks into a sponge completely in 1 hour. 2 layers may be 3 hours total.
When I boost (or reboost, it doesn't matter) with 1 layer of Haifu the effect on the first day is amazing. The second day is already meh, playable but already feels dead'ish. And on the third and later it's unplayable pretty much...
I am boosting Skyline 2 prov. blue sponge. I think it's the same for Hurricane rubbers.
I've tried falco long time ago, but forgot how long does it last...any suggestion on the longer-lasting booster? I think I am on the verge of switching from DHS FH since 1-2 days is just too much of a hassle to boost that frequently...
It's also quite dry where I live since cold Russian winters require much heating and that causes the air to be a bit too dry, may be that affects how fast the booster evaporates? It really sinks into a sponge completely in 1 hour. 2 layers may be 3 hours total.
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Try Loki Rxton 9 national. It's actually more tacky than I'd wish for ;-) I'm using cover sheet of course... You can get it under 20 EUR on Ali.
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For me H3BS it last about 2 months if I push it.
I think Battle 3 lasts longer tho, 3-4 months.
I'm so torn tho too. I like H3BS, I like B3, maybe B3 has more potential, it has stronger topsheet(I especially notice that with old D40 DHS balls that don't wanna spin at all), and more durable and better in humid and better against oxidation.
But torn on boosting, sometimes it's good sometimes it's a miss. And I do the same thing so I'm unsure why.
Lately I think I just prefer to use rubbers that don't necessarily need boosting, like the Piny Cuifeng or Quanshibao F1 which are pretty nice rubbers unboosted, easily comparable with H3BS when it's getting unboosted to about 70%, which is still not bad. Problem is they are a big hard to acquire outside of China.
Or there's Vega China too, that's a nice rubber too and no need to fiddle with it.
Maybe Nittaku H3 turbo blue but it's so heavy 60+g cut 🤕
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2 months sounds very good compared to what I experience.
I am waiting for 729 Battle II National (golden package) and Battle II gold (purple sponge) to arrive. I've used 729 B2 prov. blue sponge, but in my experience it can't be compared to DHS rubbers, unfortunately. Less spin and top spins are not that aggressive/deadly as from h3/tg2. So no real expectations from these 729 B2s.
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The National "gold package" for me was a dud. The golden version is not bad.
B3 much better, but it needs boosting not because it's too slow or dead, but because glue doesn't stick to it if you don't boost. The rubber falls off the glue like paper from magnet leaving the glue on the blade intact like a glue sheet. 🤕
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Man, you really got a ton of patience ;-) I can't do it more frequently than after 2 months... I'm using only single layer nowadays, a bit of dome and enough...
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Something is wrong there. 2 days is like speed glue territory. In fact probably with H3N speedglue lasts longer.
Actually in China I still see many use speed glue every day. And I get it too, it's nice, and predictable doesn't fuck up their rubber or blade. (actually back home many older folks still use speed glue and I get it but on a ranked match I am pissed when I see this)
But my point was supposed to be that that booster must be goblin piss.
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This is my first time hearing about this H8-20 rubber and definitely am curious about it since people are saying it's got the Hurricane 8 topsheet and #20 sponge. I use H3N 37° on my backhand and would like hear about people's experience that way I can possibly buy it and try it out for myself.
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stay away from it. I already have too much speed with other normal rubbers
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If h3 works fine for you then why change?
I've got a present from my fellow table tennis players: red H3 Ma Long Star Edition 37'. It's awesome and very, very consistent rubber. Also quite tacky. After break-in period it now plays very well, even for RPB blocking. I've only put 1 layer of regular cheapest seamoon, already 9 days passed and it's still a very good rubber.
I now want orange NEO h3 star edition with orange sponge, unfortunately it doesn't exist...I've tried twiddling and this ML version works well for forehand too, only speed is not enough.
Just for fun I've also tried Stiga DNA Dragon Grip, I don't recommend this one. It's stable, it has some speed, but much less spin and power than even 37' h3...
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Depending on how the H8-20 goes (whenever it gets to the US lol), I will either stick with it or stay with my H3 🙂 I play good with H3, but simply I just wanted to try this out since I have never heard of that version before.
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It would be nice if DHS made W968 with Wang Yidi, Chen Yi, and Chen Xingtong lenses in the end of the handles. Or better yet make it a "DLC" where you can buy the lens and swap.
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@joshmak10 How do you like Hurricane 8-80 Provincial? I'm stuck with it now since PROTT offered me $15USD refund for giving me the wrong H8 rubber and I don't really want to go through the hassle of trying to ship back the rubber from US to China lol
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It’s really good. It’s like 90% of a D09c
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Thanks! My rubber came in pretty heavy with ~55g cut w/2 layers of booster and 1 layer of glue before boosting and 1 layer after boosting 😢
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Not surprised. 8-80 is pretty heavy. But fyi, 8-20 is heavier
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In my experience, H8-20 is 3g lighter than H8-80 at the same hardness.
Your guys' H8-80's are quite heavy.
I weighed a 37 deg H8-20 at 67g with film on top and bottom.
While a 37 deg H8-80 was around 70g with film.
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Been training with H3 NEO Prov. Orange sponge this week (instead of TG2) with my Stiga Dynasty Carbon CS.
The problem for me with less tacky NEO OS h3 it's quite difficult to make the ball stay on the rubber enough time to make a loop kill when the ball is low...and when blocking it slips sometimes and falls into the net. I've been playing with h3 on the fh since forever and with older tackier h3 it was never a problem.
The control in the short game is much worse with h3, as well as some tricky shots.
Now with TG2 Prov. blue the ball doesn't drop almost never, it's very, very consistent. However to achieve good speed one has to have Xu Xin movement to get to the ball and have a swing. Orange sponge is much easier to activate so my technique adjusted and even when I'm not in perfect position I still can do marvellous shots, especially in doubles.
With TG2 the ball does spin better and it seems that it falls not at the edge of the table, but closer to the middle, which is more stable and consistent, however easier to block for my opponents.
TG2 is also very boosting-dependant, h3 neo OS - not so much.
edit: also, counter top spins seem easier with h3 os since the ball penetrates the rubber well regardless of tackiness since it has a lot of incoming speed and spin. But generating my own power when the ball has little of it -pretty hard without tackiness.
I wonder what DHS rubber would be the middle ground here? Is it TG3 prov. blue may be ?
The problem for me with less tacky NEO OS h3 it's quite difficult to make the ball stay on the rubber enough time to make a loop kill when the ball is low...and when blocking it slips sometimes and falls into the net. I've been playing with h3 on the fh since forever and with older tackier h3 it was never a problem.
The control in the short game is much worse with h3, as well as some tricky shots.
Now with TG2 Prov. blue the ball doesn't drop almost never, it's very, very consistent. However to achieve good speed one has to have Xu Xin movement to get to the ball and have a swing. Orange sponge is much easier to activate so my technique adjusted and even when I'm not in perfect position I still can do marvellous shots, especially in doubles.
With TG2 the ball does spin better and it seems that it falls not at the edge of the table, but closer to the middle, which is more stable and consistent, however easier to block for my opponents.
TG2 is also very boosting-dependant, h3 neo OS - not so much.
edit: also, counter top spins seem easier with h3 os since the ball penetrates the rubber well regardless of tackiness since it has a lot of incoming speed and spin. But generating my own power when the ball has little of it -pretty hard without tackiness.
I wonder what DHS rubber would be the middle ground here? Is it TG3 prov. blue may be ?
