How does blade influence gameplay?

[chiz]

/I was wondering how the blade influences our shot? As long as I can remember I have always used pre-made bats and didn't really look at blades,rubbers..etc
I once bought Galaxy Yinhe T11 with HN3 and Galaxy Moon with max thickness and degree. The result was disastrous, I wasted $70 and couldn't play properly with it.

 

[rajd1234]

Blades are the most important of the equipment. Choose wisely with time and caution. Take help from seniors. Try out some at your local clubs before jumping to any conclusion.
From a premade bat to galaxy T-11 is a huge jump IMO. You should have got yourself some slow blades with slow-medium fast rubbers like Mark V, Sriver etc. HN3 is a tacky rubber. To execute a proper topspin requires good technique. Even some good players out there can't do it.

...Rajd...

 

[chiz]

Blades are the most important of the equipment. Choose wisely with time and caution. Take help from seniors. Try out some at your local clubs before jumping to any conclusion.
From a premade bat to galaxy T-11 is a huge jump IMO. You should have got yourself some slow blades with slow-medium fast rubbers like Mark V, Sriver etc. HN3 is a tacky rubber. To execute a proper topspin requires good technique. Even some good players out there can't do it.

...Rajd...

Like I said I don't know anything about blades so I didn't know T-11 was that fast. I don't even know how to judge if a blade is fast. I just play with friends who like me doesn't have much knowledge about table tennis equipments so can't seek advice there. Any blades that have similar properties like pre-made bats? HN3 is tacky? The topsheet is already dead after a few uses.

 

[rajd1234]

When i migrated from the premade bats i got stiga offensive classic. But that was also a bit fast for me..i would suggest Stiga allround classic or evoulution/
Waldner allplay.
Basically any allround category blade will do good.

...Rajd...

 

[chiz]

When i migrated from the premade bats i got stiga offensive classic. But that was also a bit fast for me..i would suggest Stiga allround classic or evoulution/
Waldner allplay.
Basically any allround category blade will do good.

...Rajd...

These are very expensive

Anything for a budget of around $30?

 

[rajd1234]

U mean a blade under $30 or the blade rubber combination under $30?

...Rajd...

 

[chiz]

U mean a blade under $30 or the blade rubber combination under $30?

...Rajd...

Blade
Total I would like to keep it below $100

 

[rajd1234]

U can try this one
http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/donic-appelgren-allplay

Waldner allplay is also under $30 in tt11.com

...Rajd...

 

[Thewimo]

You can also try blades from Avalox AVX. I am not sure if many people heard of it, but i only see recommendations and good reviews of it. Also its price - perfomance is quite good.
I also use one (Avalox P500) and i am happy with it.
Maybe you will also like em.
They are made in Sweden for the Chinese National Team in 1990s. Kong Linghui became world champion with this brand i guess...

Edit: Yeah he won the title in 1995 with the Avalox P500 blade.
History:
In the mid-eighties, many top Chinese players started feeling that the equipment they were using was distinctly inferior to that of their European competition. In cooperation with the Chinese National team, a project was launched with the expressed intent of producing blades of the highest possible quality, custom tuned to the needs of the Chinese National players. The "Boutique-brand"*Avalox*was born.

 

[chiz]

How does blade influence gameplay?I didn't have the opportunity to try out different blades

 

[Kaizoku]

Checking on tabletennisdb, http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/galaxy-t-11.html is rated 9,5.
while Apelgren http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/donic-appelgren-allplay.html , is rated 6,7.
You would surely be able to controll that, but from my point of view I think that might be a little slow for your preference(unless you're a highly defensive player) (I'm taking in concideration you're aiming on offensive play on this post)
T-11 is both a fast and very stiff blade, if you read here http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?4993-Yinhe-t-11&highlight=galaxy+t-11
"Galaxy T-Series Carbon blades have such ridiculous near zero dwell fast rebound, you need almost mushy soft rubbers to get any kind of control, and even they that combo is about unplayable for a flexible offensive game."

T-11 is allso one of the fastest blade in the Galaxy series. What I'm comming to, is that, you might not necesairly need as slow a blade as donic appelgren allplay. but maybe a litle less stiff, non-carbon (with better feel) blade, rated maybe closer to 8/10 in speed? (Rather Waldner Allplay than Appelgren, and rather Stiga evolution than Classic imo, their around 7,5/10)

A few sugestions from my side: (considering you mainly prefer offensive game tho with good control) - ratings from tabletennisdb.
http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-blade-yasaka-extra-7 (rated 8/10 speed, 8,3/10 controll)
http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/donic-persson-powerplay-senso-v1-off (8/10 on speed and 8,1/10 on control)
or
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/donic-waldner-senso-v1.html (if you prefer even less speed, 7,5/10 speed, 9/10 control, though this would be closer to defensive game imo)

Would allso like to say, the rubber combo matters (imo) at least just as much as the blade. and as Rajd said H3 is a very tacky rubber, and together with that blade it's not something I would like to play with... Yasaka Mark v is a rubber you can't go wrong with. It's a classic, good spin and not fast but reasonable speed.
And if you after using Mark v for a while and want a upgrade, (which I did) Mark v, is one of the rubbers with the most comperances in reviews (next to maybe sriver, 05 and 64?) Sriver is of course also a good choice.

NB: Tabletennisdb ratings is ofc to be taken with a pinch of salt. Though with several ratings (on one product) their often not too wrong.

Good luck on your picking!

 

[chiz]

Checking on tabletennisdb, http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/galaxy-t-11.html is rated 9,5.
while Apelgren http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/donic-appelgren-allplay.html , is rated 6,7.
You would surely be able to controll that, but from my point of view I think that might be a little slow for your preference(unless you're a highly defensive player) (I'm taking in concideration you're aiming on offensive play on this post)
T-11 is both a fast and very stiff blade, if you read here http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?4993-Yinhe-t-11&highlight=galaxy+t-11
"Galaxy T-Series Carbon blades have such ridiculous near zero dwell fast rebound, you need almost mushy soft rubbers to get any kind of control, and even they that combo is about unplayable for a flexible offensive game."

T-11 is allso one of the fastest blade in the Galaxy series. What I'm comming to, is that, you might not necesairly need as slow a blade as donic appelgren allplay. but maybe a litle less stiff, non-carbon (with better feel) blade, rated maybe closer to 8/10 in speed? (Rather Waldner Allplay than Appelgren, and rather Stiga evolution than Classic imo, their around 7,5/10)

A few sugestions from my side: (considering you mainly prefer offensive game tho with good control) - ratings from tabletennisdb.
http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-blade-yasaka-extra-7 (rated 8/10 speed, 8,3/10 controll)
http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/donic-persson-powerplay-senso-v1-off (8/10 on speed and 8,1/10 on control)
or
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/donic-waldner-senso-v1.html (if you prefer even less speed, 7,5/10 speed, 9/10 control, though this would be closer to defensive game imo)

Would allso like to say, the rubber combo matters (imo) at least just as much as the blade. and as Rajd said H3 is a very tacky rubber, and together with that blade it's not something I would like to play with... Yasaka Mark v is a rubber you can't go wrong with. It's a classic, good spin and not fast but reasonable speed.
And if you after using Mark v for a while and want a upgrade, (which I did) Mark v, is one of the rubbers with the most comperances in reviews (next to maybe sriver, 05 and 64?) Sriver is of course also a good choice.

NB: Tabletennisdb ratings is ofc to be taken with a pinch of salt. Though with several ratings (on one product) their often not too wrong.

Good luck on your picking!

I am indeed aiming for offensive play. I try to loop anything that comes to my FH. I did find that the T-11 did not give me enough dwell time. So I'm looking for something that will give more contact with the ball. But right now I prefer to go for something safer and not to fast as I can't fork out $50 on a blade everytime it's too fast. What's the difference between 5 ply and 7 ply?

 

[Pnachtwey]

I have about 12-14 paddles of all sorts for different styles of play.
My fastest blade is a TBS that is good for looping away from the table when covered with a EU-JP type of rubber. It is my fastest paddle besides my BCX5.
I have 2 Toni Hold White Spots. These blades are as slow as can be. One has Super Anti on it and the other XY979. These paddles are slow and can block just about any strong loop and often can double bounce a blocked ball. The THWS blades are suitable for hard bat play too. These blades are not good for away from the table play like the TBS is. The THWS are not as flexible as a Donic Defplay. They are good for blocking or chopping close to the table. One must play a placement game with these paddles.
I have 2 Firewall Plus with GD Talon 0X on them. These are good for push blocking close to the table.
I have 2 Samsonov Alphas that are good all round paddles. These loop well but are not quite as fast as my TBS.
I have a Butterfly BCX5 that is more of a hitting paddle than a looping paddle. I think it makes a good paddle for SP on the BH. My Samsonov Alphas and TBS seem to be better for looping but that may be just my perception.
I have a Donic Defplay. It isn't that slow but it is definitely a modern defender's blade. The flex allows one to loop as well as chop but it takes extra energy to loop relative to a TBS.

One doesn't need a very fast paddle until they are good enough and need to loop and counter loop away from the table.

 

[chiz]

I have about 12-14 paddles of all sorts for different styles of play.
My fastest blade is a TBS that is good for looping away from the table when covered with a EU-JP type of rubber. It is my fastest paddle besides my BCX5.
I have 2 Toni Hold White Spots. These blades are as slow as can be. One has Super Anti on it and the other XY979. These paddles are slow and can block just about any strong loop and often can double bounce a blocked ball. The THWS blades are suitable for hard bat play too. These blades are not good for away from the table play like the TBS is. The THWS are not as flexible as a Donic Defplay. They are good for blocking or chopping close to the table. One must play a placement game with these paddles.
I have 2 Firewall Plus with GD Talon 0X on them. These are good for push blocking close to the table.
I have 2 Samsonov Alphas that are good all round paddles. These loop well but are not quite as fast as my TBS.
I have a Butterfly BCX5 that is more of a hitting paddle than a looping paddle. I think it makes a good paddle for SP on the BH. My Samsonov Alphas and TBS seem to be better for looping but that may be just my perception.
I have a Donic Defplay. It isn't that slow but it is definitely a modern defender's blade. The flex allows one to loop as well as chop but it takes extra energy to loop relative to a TBS.

One doesn't need a very fast paddle until they are good enough and need to loop and counter loop away from the table.

I wish I could afford 12-14 paddles

What do you define as "slow" or "fast"?

 

[Kaizoku]

I am indeed aiming for offensive play. I try to loop anything that comes to my FH. I did find that the T-11 did not give me enough dwell time. So I'm looking for something that will give more contact with the ball. But right now I prefer to go for something safer and not to fast as I can't fork out $50 on a blade everytime it's too fast. What's the difference between 5 ply and 7 ply?

Good point. 5 ply does in most cases (not always!) have better dwell time than 7 ply, 5 ply is allso therefore usually better for looping. (concidering it's wood and not carbon)
T-11 is pure horrible in looping. Might have to re-arange the blade sugestions!
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/galaxy-w-6.html
That ^ blade is highly recomendable, though it's Galaxy, it's of all wood. On ebay it was called the "loop king" and I believe that to be fairly right concidering it's spec info.
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/galaxy-w-6.html
I did actually buy one of those last week (not recieved yet) just for the purpose of having an extra blade + it was cheap and well rated.
In terms of budget, I do recomend you buy it here! (although shipping might take a while)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Galaxy-W-6-W6-Loop-King-Table-Tennis-Blade-New-Chinese-YE-/161480454905
the same shop is selling it regulary aswell as in "auction" form. (asume it's to promote their store) but it's most certainly a legit Ebay seller.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk....TRC0.H0.Xgalaxy+w-6&_nkw=galaxy+w-6&_sacat=0

This will give definitely give you sufficient dwell time and good enough speed while not too much.

 

[chiz]

Good point. 5 ply does in most cases (not always!) have better dwell time than 7 ply, 5 ply is allso therefore usually better for looping. (concidering it's wood and not carbon)
T-11 is pure horrible in looping. Might have to re-arange the blade sugestions!
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/galaxy-w-6.html
That ^ blade is highly recomendable, though it's Galaxy, it's of all wood. On ebay it was called the "loop king" and I believe that to be fairly right concidering it's spec info.
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/galaxy-w-6.html
I did actually buy one of those last week (not recieved yet) just for the purpose of having an extra blade + it was cheap and well rated.
In terms of budget, I do recomend you buy it here! (although shipping might take a while)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Galaxy-W-6-W6-Loop-King-Table-Tennis-Blade-New-Chinese-YE-/161480454905
the same shop is selling it regulary aswell as in "auction" form. (asume it's to promote their store) but it's most certainly a legit Ebay seller.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk....TRC0.H0.Xgalaxy+w-6&_nkw=galaxy+w-6&_sacat=0

This will give definitely give you sufficient dwell time and good enough speed while not too much.

I'm reluctant to go for Galaxy now T-11 put me off

I want to know how fast it is

 

[Kaizoku]

I'm reluctant to go for Galaxy now T-11 put me off

I guess, though bare in mind it was the fastest carbon they had, this is a way different blade and in all wood...
But if you're set, let me see...
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/yasaka-gatien-extra-3d.html 5 ply blade, probs a litle slower, 5 ply, great for looping.
allso http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/729-v-6.html would be a good choice.

I got bad of with Stiga after buying some pre-mades (some years back). Therefore decided (later on) not to go at it anymore lol (despite knowing there were blades and rubbers way better than the once I had tried from Stiga), so I know slightly how you feel.
I would still recommend the W-6 ahead of both these. But up to you!

 

[mahomedy13]

I am indeed aiming for offensive play. I try to loop anything that comes to my FH. I did find that the T-11 did not give me enough dwell time. So I'm looking for something that will give more contact with the ball. But right now I prefer to go for something safer and not to fast as I can't fork out $50 on a blade everytime it's too fast. What's the difference between 5 ply and 7 ply?

I would advise going for a stiga allround evolution.It is rated as all round,but people find it towards the off-.It isnt expensive(around $35).It is 5-ply too.

 

[mahomedy13]

heres a good review of it

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/f...-the-BEAST&highlight=stiga+allround+evolution

 

[sebas-aguirre]

not to put you down but honestly if you can't play with t11 + h3/moon the problem is 100% in your technique, not in the equipment.
maybe it's just that you are used to premades and have a hard time moving to custom equipment.
h3 and moon are slow rubbers (slower than any european style rubber) and will bring any blade down to a controllable level.