How to do spinny serves with H3 Neo?

[doppelmoral]

I recently switched to H3 Neo on FH for the first time, and its going quite well overall. The only thing that bothers me are my serves. When I used fastarc g1 my serves were quite dangerous. Now they are so harmless and spin is incredibly low.

This must be a technique error on my side, so to the more experienced users here: How do you perform spinny serves with chinese rubbers? Is a different technique needed compared to ESN rubbers? Maybe I need more brush?

Thank you!

 

[dingyibvs]

Unless you're serving long you're always supposed to use maximum brush, what serves were you making before?

 

[doppelmoral]

I normally use pendulum or hook serve variations. Maybe I was going more into sponge as compared to going for maximum brush when using G1?

That worked for me though. Maybe I should do my serves with way more of a brushing motion now

 

[Amayzde]

I experienced this as well the first time I tried to use Hurricane.

If the contact is too thick the sticky surface will hold onto the ball too long and it wont generate any spin. So you will need to accelerate more and get a thinner contact.

You might need some dedicated serve practice to get this down. So hopefully this helps you.

 

[doppelmoral]

I experienced this as well the first time I tried to use Hurricane.

If the contact is too thick the sticky surface will hold onto the ball too long and it wont generate any spin. So you will need to accelerate more and get a thinner contact.

You might need some dedicated serve practice to get this down. So hopefully this helps you.

yes, this is great feedback. I will practise it tomorrow! cheers

 

[Tiz]

Strange I did the opposite, meaning I used H3 for 6 months on my FH and now I'm trying G1 and I miss H3 for the FH serves (Pendulum and Tomahawk); G1 is ok but brushing the ball with H3 would generate more spin.

 

[doppelmoral]

Strange I did the opposite, meaning I used H3 for 6 months on my FH and now I'm trying G1 and I miss H3 for the FH serves (Pendulum and Tomahawk); G1 is ok but brushing the ball with H3 would generate more spin.

for sure h3 gets more spin, its probably that my serving technique is bad and g1 still gives me decent spin with unoptimized technique while h3 gives very little.

I will need to work on my acceleration and brushing

 

[IB66]

for sure h3 gets more spin, its probably that my serving technique is bad and g1 still gives me decent spin with unoptimized technique while h3 gives very little.

I will need to work on my acceleration and brushing

brushing combined with more speed at contact, not only to get spin, but also because you need to compensate for the reduced catapult effect that is there with tensor rubbers and the tacky top sheet which is a major factor in reducing bounce.
I found that I could be more positive, and really increase bat speed without having to worry about the catapult of tensors kicking in and balls going long, when you want a half long or short serve. When using a tensor I had to be careful and needed better touch.

 

[timdm]

Was just going to start a new thread but then this thread popped up in "Is this already being discussed?".

I'm playing a Tibhar Hybrid MK Pro, coming from a medium hard ESN (Tibhar Genius, Andro Hexer).
All is going very well, except for spinny serves.
For my serves I usually have a slow, safe, pronounced contact and let the ball sink into the rubber and profit from the catapult.
But now with the hybrid, this just yields a ball with very little spin on it.
I notice during rally's that spin comes easier with an all-out stroke, and that kinds off correlates with what is being told here --> a higher contact speed + better brush (thinner contact).

I find it difficult to increase racket speed and be consistent in my serves.
Wondering if a higher toss might help here, as this will naturally add some momentum and then I can focus more on the brush.

How's it going on your end?

 

[Amayzde]

Was just going to start a new thread but then this thread popped up in "Is this already being discussed?".

I'm playing a Tibhar Hybrid MK Pro, coming from a medium hard ESN (Tibhar Genius, Andro Hexer).
All is going very well, except for spinny serves.
For my serves I usually have a slow, safe, pronounced contact and let the ball sink into the rubber and profit from the catapult.
But now with the hybrid, this just yields a ball with very little spin on it.
I notice during rally's that spin comes easier with an all-out stroke, and that kinds off correlates with what is being told here --> a higher contact speed + better brush (thinner contact).

I find it difficult to increase racket speed and be consistent in my serves.
Wondering if a higher toss might help here, as this will naturally add some momentum and then I can focus more on the brush.

How's it going on your end?

If you find it difficult to increase your racket speed then a high toss serve isn’t going to work.

You will need an even greater racket speed to get the benefit of a high toss serve.

Ti long has a video that should help;

 

[doppelmoral]

Was just going to start a new thread but then this thread popped up in "Is this already being discussed?".

I'm playing a Tibhar Hybrid MK Pro, coming from a medium hard ESN (Tibhar Genius, Andro Hexer).
All is going very well, except for spinny serves.
For my serves I usually have a slow, safe, pronounced contact and let the ball sink into the rubber and profit from the catapult.
But now with the hybrid, this just yields a ball with very little spin on it.
I notice during rally's that spin comes easier with an all-out stroke, and that kinds off correlates with what is being told here --> a higher contact speed + better brush (thinner contact).

I find it difficult to increase racket speed and be consistent in my serves.
Wondering if a higher toss might help here, as this will naturally add some momentum and then I can focus more on the brush.

How's it going on your end?

I havent played with hybrids but I am still playing with H3N. I can tell you that since I made this post I realized that you need a quick brushing motion on every shot in the serve receive game. Even in short-short, if I push with a steady-slowish movement, the ball is almost empty, I need to actively add some "kick" to my push at the moment of contact (small movement, doesnt need to be exaggerated)
My serves are still not S-Tier but alot better than back then, . What works for me is, after tossing, I let the ball fall down onto my rubber, and use the serving + brushing movement at the very last moment, rather than moving my racket towards the ball. Since then, my serves are alot spinnier and also lower.

Sometimes I also toss the ball higher, but in my case, I use this strategy because it is then easier for me to vary the length and depth of my serve
Hope this helps

 

[PaddyPolar]

Because H3 has a harder rubber, you need to find the perfect speed to use on the serve. Too slow and you won't use get the same velocity for a good serve, and too fast you won't be able to use the whole rubber surface for spin.

So my advice is the practice using the advantages of H3 by really trying to use the whole rubber on the serve and trying to find the goldilocks speed that suits you.