Is D09C the ultimate, the holy grail of rubber?

[Gozo Zyreruna]

I have a confession to make. I really find D09C to be really unforgiving...

Spoiler: D09C is truly unforgiving...

that is unforgiving to the opponent!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

If they come out Dignics 25, I will work as toilet cleaner for Tamasu Ltd for free. As long as they let me play at their HQ cafeteria TT table during my lunch break.

probably every staff in there is usatt 2100+

 

[SleepyMaster]

They are not professionals obviously but they are very good players. Based on conversion tables they are around 2200-2300 USATT. That’s still higher than most of us on this forum. The highest level player at our club uses Rakza 7 soft on both sides and the second best uses Evolution EL-P on both sides.

its a preference thing - i know a lot 2200/2300 and national players only few are using d09c or experementing with it boosting etc, some are just sponsored by other brands but most just used to more softer springier rubber and their tehnique is suited for this kind of rubber better, they are mostly telling that d09c "is just a brick" for them

 

[Tyce]

its a preference thing - i know a lot 2200/2300 and national players only few are using d09c or experementing with it boosting etc, some are just sponsored by other brands but most just used to more softer springier rubber and their tehnique is suited for this kind of rubber better, they are mostly telling that d09c "is just a brick" for them

I guess it's a matter of choice. Do you stick with what you prefer, or do you train to use the rubber with the highest potential?

 

[land_killer]

I feel d09c is a little too hard and fast. I cant control it as well as the h3

 

[SleepyMaster]

I guess it's a matter of choice. Do you stick with what you prefer, or do you train to use the rubber with the highest potential?

I have tried a lot of different things, I liked d09c, but I liked K3 and C55 also, on a backhand I use Dignics 05 now, before that I was using Tibhar MK for about half a year, but I’m playing just for fun, and started from the hard rubbers at the beginnings, so I prefer more hybrids/harder rubbers. I don’t care how much rubber is cost or what brand it is - tbh I just need a feeling that I find enjoyable to play and can hit a table time to time with😁

But I never player tensor setup two sides or something like that even my coach teaching all his students that way, and most coaches in my country doing so, thats why many pretty high level guys using tenergy05 both sides since their childhood when coach told them what to use and they never really be bothered by searching something else

 

[Zezima]

As someone who has played D09c for a season and wants to go on a more forgiving rubber what are your suggestions? on my FH. I want to get rid of this feeling that I am gonna overshoot on a faster block. Just more forgiving. I don't need speed or catapult (less than d09c prefered)

I got recommended C55 and victas TDE and Rakza extra Hard.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

As someone who has played D09c for a season and wants to go on a more forgiving rubber what are your suggestions? on my FH. I want to get rid of this feeling that I am gonna overshoot on a faster block. Just more forgiving. I don't need speed or catapult (less than d09c prefered)

I got recommended C55 and victas TDE and Rakza extra Hard.

Glayzer 09C? D09C's baby brother...

 

[Tyce]

As someone who has played D09c for a season and wants to go on a more forgiving rubber what are your suggestions? on my FH. I want to get rid of this feeling that I am gonna overshoot on a faster block. Just more forgiving. I don't need speed or catapult (less than d09c prefered)

I got recommended C55 and victas TDE and Rakza extra Hard.

I would recommend going back to G1, in max, and focus on building a safer, spinnier version of your attacking game

 

[PoppaChubby]

If we have a look at the top 10 players the holy sorry cursed grail will still be the boosted H3 National until any BTY or ESN athlete wins most of the Grand Slams, Olympics and WTTC.

To me the Bros have proven the D09C is not the holy grail as they've adapted really fast to the Tibhar K3 series. Maybe they could have handled an Andro C55 or Victas TDE if their sponsor would have been Andro or Victas. When you see young talents like Oh Junsung and Kao Gheng Jui switching from BTY to ESN brands, you can be sure that all those hybrid rubbers have more or less the same feel to them.

 

[Zezima]

I would recommend going back to G1, in max, and focus on building a safer, spinnier version of your attacking game

You didn't get my point. My struggles aren't the fact that I can't open up or anything. If you watch the match and look at the points where I loop with my Forehand (ok I know the rubber is already quite used 4-5trainings 2-3h for 6months) that it gets blocked but still once I get it going and the ball doesn't come too fast back I am quite consistent.
My problem is that if my opponent attacks or puts me out of position but does a weak topspin or drive that I want the confident in my setup to attack those balls without being afraid to loop them out.
Right now if I don't stand perfect it goes out. Thats why I want a more forgiving rubber on the FH.
I also didn't like G1 and it was not even in max that I was looping even more out because of the extra catapult the rubber has not so much but more than d09c atleast.
So it has to be a slower rubber but softer aswell (in theory g1 fits in)

 

[Tyce]

Exactly, you're afraid to loop the ball out in actual gameplay.
But if G1 had too much catapult I don't really understand why you went to D09c.

Honesty I don't think the catapult is the issue. You probably need a small technical correction to make these balls go on the table rather than out, regardless of the rubber.

 

[Zezima]

Exactly, you're afraid to loop the ball out in actual gameplay.
But if G1 had too much catapult I don't really understand why you went to D09c.

Honesty I don't think the catapult is the issue. You probably need a small technical correction to make these balls go on the table rather than out, regardless of the rubber.

idk why but D09c is slower. Same technique but the ball trajectory was shorter with D09c thats why I still made the switch. I just find it hard if I want to loop with the topsheet only sometimes it holds the ball for too long and then goes out. Its very unpredictable in that regard. Something that would be more consistent with a softer rubber? I am not so sure.

Would galyzer09c be a good alternative for the FH?

 

[RefereeNumber2]

You didn't get my point. My struggles aren't the fact that I can't open up or anything. If you watch the match and look at the points where I loop with my Forehand (ok I know the rubber is already quite used 4-5trainings 2-3h for 6months) that it gets blocked but still once I get it going and the ball doesn't come too fast back I am quite consistent.
My problem is that if my opponent attacks or puts me out of position but does a weak topspin or drive that I want the confident in my setup to attack those balls without being afraid to loop them out.
Right now if I don't stand perfect it goes out. Thats why I want a more forgiving rubber on the FH.
I also didn't like G1 and it was not even in max that I was looping even more out because of the extra catapult the rubber has not so much but more than d09c atleast.
So it has to be a slower rubber but softer aswell (in theory g1 fits in)

I think you should just stick the D09c, and keep practicing with it. There's a good chance you need a new sheet, since after 6 months of 4-5 practices per week 2-3 hours each (if I understand correctly) it would be quite worn and have lost a lot of the grip and power.

Based on what you say you want, D09c should be one of the best available rubbers.

 

[latej]

As someone who has played D09c for a season and wants to go on a more forgiving rubber what are your suggestions? on my FH. I want to get rid of this feeling that I am gonna overshoot on a faster block. Just more forgiving. I don't need speed or catapult (less than d09c prefered)

I got recommended C55 and victas TDE and Rakza extra Hard.

+1 for G09C too. It's a bit softer, easier to engage, also the top-sheet felt a bit softer. The D09C top-sheet needs engagement, it was too much. G09C definitely on full power shots is slower, there I wished for more ompf actually (perhaps only in training). I believe you could enjoy it.

C55 is very good. For me the durability is 1/3 of D09C, but I've heard people say it is the same ;-) I didn't like TDE and RZ EH much, but it's some time since I played with it so I can't say much more.

I'd also recommend Loki Rxton 9 or H3 prov BS, if you want to go full chinese... In such case I'd start with H39, both are available in that hardness. Cheers.

EDIT: Thought about what I actually dislike about D09C. It's the hardish top-sheet on slower topspin (when I for whatever reason must play), I'd prefer a bit softer. And actually I don't mind a bit softer on hard shots either. This is my preference. Profis may get more of it, I'm regional ;-) The sponge is good.

 

[Tyce]

idk why but D09c is slower. Same technique but the ball trajectory was shorter with D09c thats why I still made the switch. I just find it hard if I want to loop with the topsheet only sometimes it holds the ball for too long and then goes out. Its very unpredictable in that regard. Something that would be more consistent with a softer rubber? I am not so sure.

Would galyzer09c be a good alternative for the FH?

I think it's too slow until you engage the sponge a bit, and then it shoots out.

Personally I've been trying to get used to H3 and similar rubbers for a year but it's just not for me. When I picked up a tensor rubber on FH again it was so easy and natural and balls just went in, in, in.
What I'm saying, it could also just be that your style doesn't fit the rubber.


Softer rubber would give a more consistent result, yes, because then you are engaging the sponge on most of your strokes, rather than being on the edge of activation and having the ball shoot out randomly.
You could also opt for even harder rubber to move the borderline of engagement further upwards, but being able to engage sponge predictably, on slower shots too, will simply increase spin potential compared to using 90% topsheet.

 

[SleepyMaster]

My c55 looking pretty beat out after a month and I’m not even train as much as I used to, it’s about same durability as k3 tbh. D09c still has slight edge in longevity in line up of modern hybrids for me.

But yeah, agreed on g09c it can be the option if more controlled rubber is needed (softer top sheet than d09c, shorter trajectory and overall more easy to use rubber) and it pairs well with limba wood

 

[Zezima]

Alright guys, I already have a red sheet of the new D09c at home, so that’s covered. My backhand rubber still looks great, so I’m not planning to change it until the season starts — which is in about four months. My forehand rubber, though, is looking a bit worn. There’s a noticeable circle where I can clearly see the pimples through the top sheet. Maybe I’ll upload some pictures here too.

So, I think the best move is to grab a sheet of Glayzer 09c and give it a shot. I’ve noticed I really like brushing slower balls with the topsheet — but it’s hard to predict the outcome sometimes. I actually play a lot better when the ball is dropping with a bit of backspin. That’s when I can just whip through it with my technique and generate as much speed as I want. With other types of balls, I feel like I have to hold back — but not too much, otherwise the rubber reacts unpredictably again.

From what I’ve read, the G09c has a softer topsheet, so it might actually suit me. I don’t mind if it’s a bit slower — maybe that’ll encourage me to use more of my body in the shots. Honestly, I think part of the issue is mental. I keep winning in training matches, but unfortunately, no one rated higher than me is training at the clubs I go to right now.

Also how do I learn the best how much power I can use for a certain ball? Is there a good video that talks about it or is it just try and error? I find tons of videos about how to loop backspin balls etc.
Is it always true that if opponent plays a topspin that I have to atleast put the same amount of topspin on the ball to counterloop it? With backspin pushes I need a bit more than the incoming backspin push to lift it.
Watching my last game again I feel like I sometimes use too much and can't really dose the right amount of topspin to loop it controlled. Because It's hard to remember the right amount of engaging the sponge to activate the rubber aswell. I also heard some say I have my bat too closed.