New setup (moving into carbon)

[merlin el mago]

If you have money the best solution is to spend in a good coach and train and compete as much as you can.

 

[Anarki]

OP didn't say he wants something similar feeling, did he? He said he wants a faster setup with a tacky topsheet.

His current rubber is likely too soft to begin with; that's why he is changing. That's a 42deg~ Shore O rubber.

My current setup is around 53/48 Shore O, and I could go a bit higher on the backhand hardness. I'm not some super player; higher beginner or lower intermediate is probably accurate. Going softer just increases my injury risk, like how using Europe DF on the backhand gave me shoulder pain due to how slow it is and how large of a swing it requires, despite topsheet tensioning.

I can do slow, spinny shots all the same, despite the Young's modulus differing about +90% on the Moon Speed I'm using right now vs the Europe DF.

There's a good chance OP is similar or better skill to me judging by the descriptions; so what's the problem?

EDIT: Also, FX-P is 40.1 +-1 and FX-S is 42 +-1 Shore O. The sponges are effectively the same hardness; both are super soft. IIRC they differ in topsheet and pip geometry.

Yeah you are right , i dont want something similiar , i wouldnt change my setup if i want something similiar , thats a good point, i want to get something faster but dont wanna cross thrashhold when the setup will be too much for me, but also i want some very good blade that will "grow" with me , so i will not change it for years , meanwhile i dont need to have instant improve , i know it takes some time to be "fit" with the new setup so my play will need to be adjust a bit. Thats why i would like to go for FLHC blade but put there some slower rubbers and i can change to bit faster rubbers later when i will be able to handle new setup. I just wanted to know if it will not be too much.

i am also interrested into Felix lebrun Off- blade ,it also could work i think , because it is full wood , but in the long time aspect, i would like to have inner carbon with some sticky rubbers

 

[DBsystem78]

just take innercarbon then you can keep it very long time then after few years you can move to outercarbon if you want more speed there is really fast innercarbon blades as well

 

[Anarki]

just take innercarbon then you can keep it very long time then after few years you can move to outercarbon if you want more speed there is really fast innercarbon blades as well

as i undestand the inner carbon should be more "friendly" in meaning it keeps control feeling because carbon layer is "activated" after stronger strikes , but for the shorter and less power strike it is handled by the outter wood , beside outter carbon is hitted "everytime" so there is very less control feeling so it requires more skilled player to handle it.

Thats why i would go for this version to have an ability to improve also.

 

[Archosaurus]

The whole blade is activated at the same time, it's complicated. In general I would say that yes, typically inner carbon blades are less elastic in low force shots.

Thing is that ultimately the rubber and sponge is the thing that's actually grabbing the ball and it's doing 99% of the deflection, the blade is largely just a platform for that and is designed to comply a little to allow for more feel and shots which leave the blade slower than they came in.

 

[Anarki]

The whole blade is activated at the same time, it's complicated. In general I would say that yes, typically inner carbon blades are less elastic in low force shots.

Thing is that ultimately the rubber and sponge is the thing that's actually grabbing the ball and it's doing 99% of the deflection, the blade is largely just a platform for that and is designed to comply a little to allow for more feel and shots which leave the blade slower than they came in.

so it should be ok to get FLHC blade and put there some slower rubbers first? FX-P or something slightly faster ?

 

[banbekas]

I'd say just get an outer carbon blade and grow with it as it will last you for a long time and most of the time the behavior of the blade is predictable because you know the carbon immediately activate.

Inner carbon is the opposite of this. The carbon often activates abruptly and throw off your timing. Control-wise they are in the same ball park, and inner carbon isn't any slower or faster than outer carbon.

Getting a thinner outer carbon is the key here. A 5.6 mm thick outer carbon like Milagro and Telson Speed has control in spade while extremely powerful.

 

[Archosaurus]

so it should be ok to get FLHC blade and put there some slower rubbers first? FX-P or something slightly faster ?

Ideally it's probably best to change one part at a time, a little at a time. Maybe change the blade, keep your rubbers for a month or two, then change your stronger wing's rubber, and so on.

 

[Paddlewiz]

Hello

I would like to discuss here my plan about new setup for me. Currently i have Sanwei Acumulator S (allround blade) + Tibhar Evolution FX-S (2.0mm) on FH and Tibhar Evolution FX-P (2.00 mm) on BH. This setup was/is great and it helped me to improve my skills well ( i am something between beginner and intermediate ,maybe intermediate hard to say). I like to play faster and aggressive top spins and flicks. Now i feel i could handle a faster setup which was my goal before. During my training sessions i have tried some carbon blades or faster rubbers (MX-P for example) and i felt pretty fine ,but i would like to try something else.

Tibhar Felix Lebrun Hyper Carbon - seems to be very good blade with inner carbon so it will be more "safe" for me to have some control , i would like to stay with this blade for the future (like for years)

Rubbers - Tibhar K3 Hybrid FX (both sides) - i would like to try some sticky rubbers with more speed , i would choose FX version to not get so much "jump" from my current setup, so i would have something stickier and also faster but not too much.

I know it is maybe expensive setup but money doesnt play role now. (i am not bragging , but i have no problem to spend money on my only hobby )

Thanks for advice

Your technique is actually already at an intermediate level! Since budget isn't an issue, instead of trying out European hybrid rubbers, why not take the ultimate step and experience the true romance of table tennis? Try the Long 5X paired with Provincial Hurricane 3 Neo—that is truly a weapon custom-built for your high-quality flicks and loop drives!


The Long 5X is an upgraded version of Ma Long's classic blade. It features an inner ALC (Arylate Carbon) structure, giving it significantly more power than your Acumulator S. However, because it's an inner carbon blade, it still retains the feel and control of pure wood on soft touches. Once you engage your power, the carbon layer kicks in, and the quality of your loops will skyrocket.


Provincial Hurricane 3 is the absolute ceiling for tacky rubbers—it offers unmatched spin and extreme grip. Paired with the catapult effect of the Long 5X, your mid-to-close table loops will be both incredibly spinny and powerful.


Quick tip on the sponge: If you don't want to deal with the hassle of boosting or speed gluing, definitely go for the Provincial Hurricane 3 Neo with the Blue Sponge. The factory Neo treatment is more than enough to activate it right out of the package, saving you from all that chemical maintenance!


For the backhand, I highly recommend using Provincial Hurricane 3 Neo (around 37° or 38°) as well. I know double-tacky setups can be intimidating, but since you love executing high-quality backhand flicks, a tacky rubber is actually perfect for you. The sticky surface will allow you to bite into the ball and generate massive spin on your flicks and close-table loops. Plus, the Long 5X's inner carbon structure provides just enough support to make this setup work beautifully.


Since you're upgrading from an all-wood blade and soft European rubbers, the Long 5X + Provincial Hurricane 3 Neo combo will let you truly experience the magic of "tacky-rubber looping." This setup has way more soul than the Felix Lebrun + K3 Hybrid you originally planned.


If you're still on the fence or want to explore some alternative options, you can head over to PaddleWiz (paddlewiz.com) and run your specs through their racket selection tool. Just answer a few quick questions to generate personalized recommendations—think of it as a handy reference point to help you compare and make your final decision!

 

[passifid]

can we not give AI advice without context.
H3 OS is considered superior if not boosting to H3 BS

and suggesting H3 both sides to somone as an alternative to K3 who wants more speed without boosting is just purest nonsense

I would NOT go with HL5 if you use a blade for a long time as they are prone to damage when changing rubbers, this can be mitigated a bit but always a risk with DHS.

My BTY inner ALC is now almost 8 years old and perfect, I would reccomend Innerforce ALC or Tomo Hari inner if you want an oversized head like HL5 instead of standard.

K3 is good rubber I like

The Felix blade has few reviews and is new so cannot comment on the durability over the years