Options for Jpen blades?

[joejoe]

Hello all

I have recently started playing with a Japanese penhold style, using the Yinhe 982 hinoki blade with some old MXP 50. Coming from more modern style carbon blades, this blade feels a little slow, as if it isn't doing much for me when i put more power into my shots. I have looked into butterfly blades but most of them seem discontinued, are there any options that can compete with the modern fast stuff? The Yinhe 982 is great (I would recommend to any shakehand players looking to give it a try) and I will stick with it for a while as I transition from the slightly different grip but its never too early to look into my next replacement.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Are you looking for 1-ply hinoki? Or carbon?

 

[joejoe]

Are you looking for 1-ply hinoki? Or carbon?

The world is my oyster, please recommend both

 

[greenbeanmachine]

I've never tried carbon but I played with 1 ply hinoki for a long time. I also tried some non-hinoki 5ply blades and they weren't as good. Imo if you're playing jpen you should use 1 ply hinoki -- the feeling is unparalleled.

I've never tried Yinhe 982 but maybe it's not as fast as kiso hinoki. I have a hard time imagining someone complaining that 1-ply hinoki is not fast enough. If you want it to be faster, maybe try using Tenergy 05 on it? You might also need to modify your technique to drive and flick with hinoki -- it's different than playing with a standard cpen blade.

I think kiso hinoki blades are hard to find now. But if you want one, I have some extra, we can work out a deal.

 

[joejoe]

I've never tried carbon but I played with 1 ply hinoki for a long time. I also tried some non-hinoki 5ply blades and they weren't as good. Imo if you're playing jpen you should use 1 ply hinoki -- the feeling is unparalleled.

I've never tried Yinhe 982 but maybe it's not as fast as kiso hinoki. I have a hard time imagining someone complaining that 1-ply hinoki is not fast enough. If you want it to be faster, maybe try using Tenergy 05 on it? You might also need to modify your technique to drive and flick with hinoki -- it's different than playing with a standard cpen blade.

I think kiso hinoki blades are hard to find now. But if you want one, I have some extra, we can work out a deal.

I am currently using MXP-50 which i think is a little faster than t05, it feels fast on medium power shots due to the rubber but seems to lack blade power on smashes and powerful shots.

 

[Tyce]

I am currently using MXP-50 which i think is a little faster than t05, it feels fast on medium power shots due to the rubber but seems to lack blade power on smashes and powerful shots.

It might not be a blade problem, but rather that you're still getting used to jpen and not hitting the power transfer quite right yet

 

[joejoe]

It might not be a blade problem, but rather that you're still getting used to jpen and not hitting the power transfer quite right yet

please elaborate on what you mean by this? what could I be doing differently if this is the case?

 

[Tyce]

Even coming from Cpen, Jpen is different. Balance wise, grip wise, there will be small differences where you just need more time with it to get better at it.
The same goes just for playing with a new blade, even if you hadn't (slightly) changed grip styles. Give it a few months and you might just feel much more in control of the blade's characteristics, timing, flexibility and as a result, be much more capable of extracting power from it.

 

[John_]

Darker has some great 1ply hinoki blades, and palio makes some nice carbon jpen.

 

[olive-nguyen]

Darker has some great 1ply hinoki blades, and palio makes some nice carbon jpen.

Yinhe 988 is really fast and powerful, have carbon too for people used to it.

 

[Marcelo Augusto]

Essa sua lâmina da Yinhe é apenas intermediária, e não vai te proprocionar um bom desempenho.

Se você procura uma lâmina Jpen rápida, sem dúvida a Xiom Katana Platinum é uma ótima opção. Um verdadeiro tiro, ainda mais se você combinar com uma borracha também rápida, como Xiom J Hyde C 55. Porém a sensação é de mais robustez e precisa ter uma boa habilidade para receber saque. Eu tenho exatamente essa configuraçâo como minha 2a. raquete.

Minha raquete de uso diário é uma Victas Dynam 10,5, atualmente com uma Tenergy 05. Uma lâmina extremamente macia, também de boa velocidade, mas um pouco menos rápida do que a Xiom Katana Platinum. Pode combinar também com uma Glayzer 05, e aí você terá mais controle, perdendo um pouco da velocidade.

 

[suds79]

I started out with Jpen back in the day.

Now I still play that style but i could never get past that the backhand side is just wasted potential. So I play Cpen now with inverted for the FH & TPB. I'll alternate sometimes on RPB with anti or Long pips for the occasional chop (chopping with RPB actually feels very natural & easy if any of you single wing penholders out there haven't tried it) if off the table or LP chop-block or bump if close the table. Just with RPB.

Anyways, If I were to go back to Jpen, it'd have to be one that could have the option to put a rubber on the back side. So I'd say check out a Yinhe 988. Carbon so it fits the more modern style and you can put a rubber on the RPB side. I'd imagine the blade is plenty heave as it is already so I'd probably stick some form of OX pips back there if I were you. Anything sponged might be too heavy but it's up to you.

 

[Marcelo Augusto]

Comecei com o Jpen naquela época.

Ainda jogo esse estilo, mas nunca consegui superar o fato de que o lado do backhand é simplesmente um potencial desperdiçado. Então, jogo Cpen agora com invertido para o FH e TPB. Às vezes, alterno no RPB com anti ou pips longos para o chop ocasional (chocar com RPB na verdade parece muito natural e fácil se algum de vocês, que tem uma caneta de asa única, ainda não experimentou) se estiver fora da mesa ou com um chop-block LP ou bump se estiver perto da mesa. Só com RPB.

De qualquer forma, se eu fosse voltar para a Jpen, teria que ser uma que tivesse a opção de colocar uma borracha na parte de trás. Então, eu diria para dar uma olhada numa Yinhe 988 de carbono, para que ela se encaixe no estilo mais moderno, e você possa colocar uma borracha na parte da frente da lâmina. Imagino que a lâmina já esteja bastante pesada, então eu provavelmente colocaria algum tipo de pino OX ali atrás, se fosse você. Qualquer coisa esponjosa pode ser muito pesada, mas fica a seu critério.

O backhand no JPen precisa ter muito controle da posição dos dedos polegar, indicador e dedo médio, e também saber alternar a força que é colocada nesses dedos, adequando ao tipo de cada batida (shoto, batida forte plana ou até mesmo drive).

É bem desafiador mesmo.

Quanto a essa lâmina de carbono da Yinhe, eu não aconselho porque a bolinha salta demais e o controle fica bem difícil. Com uma madeira hinoki de boa qualidade você tem bastante velocidade, e um controle imensamente maior. Nem se compara.