Outer Carbon or Inner Carbon?

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I think it probably one of the most controllable outer carbon blades.

I'd be grateful if someone could point me to a more controllable outer carbon blade than Yinhe Pro 01 While being at least as fast as Pro 01 (and Pro 01 is not crazy fast at all).

 

[steve888]

I'd be grateful if someone could point me to a more controllable outer carbon blade than Yinhe Pro 01 While being at least as fast as Pro 01 (and Pro 01 is not crazy fast at all).

The butterfly outerforce alc , but it isn't quite as fast as the yinhe pro 1, I probably still prefer yinhe pro 1 😁

 

[dprsspins]

How about Hinoki carbon blades, like Joola Nobilis/Stuor Nobilis, Sanwei Hinoki Carbon etc. Would they be as direct as outer carbon blades?

 

[Kupkake]

How about Hinoki carbon blades, like Joola Nobilis/Stuor Nobilis, Sanwei Hinoki Carbon etc. Would they be as direct as outer carbon blades?

I have 3 outer-carbon blades with different compositions:

• Joola ZQH 90 - Koto-SALC-Ayous-Kiri
  ZQH has a very direct and crisp feel. Lot's of vibration and feedback in the handle without feeling too sharp if that makes sense. Dwell time is much shorter than something like an inner-ALC blade, but you still get decent dwell. It's quite stiff, but still flexible enough to get strong spin with good contact. Low power shots aren't too fast, medium power shots have very good speed, and the speed ceiling of this blade is very high. It feels like I can always get more speed if I hit harder. Definitely the highest speed-ceiling blade I have tried. Not the most forgiving, need to position well and make good contact, not enough dwell and flex to be lazy. Arc is long with medium to medium low throw angle. Backhand feels amazing with this blade, very direct, easy to land on the table, easy to generate power, not too head heavy. All friends who have tried it only had good things to say. They all like the BH with it, and agree that the speed ceiling is very high.
• Joola Trinity - Limba - ALC/ZLC hybrid - Limba - Kiri
  Also quite direct and crisp, but in a different way. To me, ZLC blades feel more "glassy" in a sense. They are crisp, but the vibration characteristics are different. ALC has crispness across many frequencies, but ZLC feels noticeably sharper for high frequency vibrations, and more muted for low frequency. Trinity is a sort of strange hybrid. Low power shots are noticeably slower than ZQH with more dwell, probably thanks to limba top ply. Short game is definitely better and easier, throw angle is a little bit higher than ZQH, but high power sheets feel quite different. Less feedback and clarity when you hit the sweetspot when hitting hard. Speed ceiling is definitely lower, but it's not slow. About as fast as Viscaria or slightly faster, but not too different. A bit easier to do slow spinny loops than ZQH, but TBH I haven't tried ZQH and Trinity with the same FH rubbers so not 100% sure. Some friends of mine who have tried it don't like the feeling. They say it feels weirdly glassy and hollow simultanesouly. They don't dislike the performance of the blade, but they all prefer ZQH's feeling and feedback.
• Stuor Nobilis - Hinoki - ZLC - Ayous - Kiri
  Direct, but not crisp like the others. Hinoki I think adds this softness feeling that sort of mutes vibrations, especially high frequency vibrations. Like the opposite of Trinity. You still get feedback, but it's not really glassy at all. Speed is much higher on lower power shots, making short game a bit worse and needs adjusting to. Throw angle is lower, a bit lower than ZQH with similarly long arc. Still capable of lots of spin when you hit hard and make good contact, but I think the speed limits the spin a bit. Speed ceiling is higher than trinity, but lower than ZQH. Dwell time is good on high power shots, but short on softer hits. For some reason, the more muted feedback makes forehand loops feel good, but BH a bit more confusing. Like I don't have as good of feedback on the compact backhand stroke. Despite the speed, I still find this blade very controllable. Just takes some getting used to as it feels less linear. Friens who have tried it immediately noted the strange muted feeling in the handle. They like it better than trinity, but still found it weird and uncomfortable. I personally kind of like it, except for backhand. I've only tried one BH rubber on this blade, so not sure if my opinions are biased due to that (DHS H8-80 37-deg).

I'm not the most advanced player so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I have tried many different blade compositions and have a decent feel for how they differ. My friends are also experienced and have tried their own wide array of setups, so we have a good understanding of how they differ in feeling and playing characteristics.

 

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I have 3 outer-carbon blades with different compositions:

• Joola ZQH 90 - Koto-SALC-Ayous-Kiri
  ZQH has a very direct and crisp feel. Lot's of vibration and feedback in the handle without feeling too sharp if that makes sense. Dwell time is much shorter than something like an inner-ALC blade, but you still get decent dwell. It's quite stiff, but still flexible enough to get strong spin with good contact. Low power shots aren't too fast, medium power shots have very good speed, and the speed ceiling of this blade is very high. It feels like I can always get more speed if I hit harder. Definitely the highest speed-ceiling blade I have tried. Not the most forgiving, need to position well and make good contact, not enough dwell and flex to be lazy. Arc is long with medium to medium low throw angle. Backhand feels amazing with this blade, very direct, easy to land on the table, easy to generate power, not too head heavy. All friends who have tried it only had good things to say. They all like the BH with it, and agree that the speed ceiling is very high.
• Joola Trinity - Limba - ALC/ZLC hybrid - Limba - Kiri
  Also quite direct and crisp, but in a different way. To me, ZLC blades feel more "glassy" in a sense. They are crisp, but the vibration characteristics are different. ALC has crispness across many frequencies, but ZLC feels noticeably sharper for high frequency vibrations, and more muted for low frequency. Trinity is a sort of strange hybrid. Low power shots are noticeably slower than ZQH with more dwell, probably thanks to limba top ply. Short game is definitely better and easier, throw angle is a little bit higher than ZQH, but high power sheets feel quite different. Less feedback and clarity when you hit the sweetspot when hitting hard. Speed ceiling is definitely lower, but it's not slow. About as fast as Viscaria or slightly faster, but not too different. A bit easier to do slow spinny loops than ZQH, but TBH I haven't tried ZQH and Trinity with the same FH rubbers so not 100% sure. Some friends of mine who have tried it don't like the feeling. They say it feels weirdly glassy and hollow simultanesouly. They don't dislike the performance of the blade, but they all prefer ZQH's feeling and feedback.
• Stuor Nobilis - Hinoki - ZLC - Ayous - Kiri
  Direct, but not crisp like the others. Hinoki I think adds this softness feeling that sort of mutes vibrations, especially high frequency vibrations. Like the opposite of Trinity. You still get feedback, but it's not really glassy at all. Speed is much higher on lower power shots, making short game a bit worse and needs adjusting to. Throw angle is lower, a bit lower than ZQH with similarly long arc. Still capable of lots of spin when you hit hard and make good contact, but I think the speed limits the spin a bit. Speed ceiling is higher than trinity, but lower than ZQH. Dwell time is good on high power shots, but short on softer hits. For some reason, the more muted feedback makes forehand loops feel good, but BH a bit more confusing. Like I don't have as good of feedback on the compact backhand stroke. Despite the speed, I still find this blade very controllable. Just takes some getting used to as it feels less linear. Friens who have tried it immediately noted the strange muted feeling in the handle. They like it better than trinity, but still found it weird and uncomfortable. I personally kind of like it, except for backhand. I've only tried one BH rubber on this blade, so not sure if my opinions are biased due to that (DHS H8-80 37-deg).

I'm not the most advanced player so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I have tried many different blade compositions and have a decent feel for how they differ. My friends are also experienced and have tried their own wide array of setups, so we have a good understanding of how they differ in feeling and playing characteristics.

I also had the opportunity to try many different outer carbon blades, but NOT Hinoki carbons. For some reason Hinoki carbon blades aren't too popular in my club.

But based on your description on Stuor Nobilis and regarding how Hinoki muted the crisp feedback, it might not be for me. I do have a pure wood 7 Ply Hinoki, Nittaku Septear, and while it does have a good soft and smooth feeling like most Hinoki blades, I've come to realize that crisp feedback is something I need in a blade as it helps me a lot in control.

The limba inner carbon Dimitrij Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC I'm using now does have a good crisp feel at high power shots, but I'm looking at more 'crisp' blades for even more of this addictive feedback. From your description, the JOOLA blade seems like a good try

 

[TT Lover]

I also had the opportunity to try many different outer carbon blades, but NOT Hinoki carbons. For some reason Hinoki carbon blades aren't too popular in my club.

But based on your description on Stuor Nobilis and regarding how Hinoki muted the crisp feedback, it might not be for me. I do have a pure wood 7 Ply Hinoki, Nittaku Septear, and while it does have a good soft and smooth feeling like most Hinoki blades, I've come to realize that crisp feedback is something I need in a blade as it helps me a lot in control.

The limba inner carbon Dimitrij Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC I'm using now does have a good crisp feel at high power shots, but I'm looking at more 'crisp' blades for even more of this addictive feedback. From your description, the JOOLA blade seems like a good try

Viscaria ALC blade from Butterfly I'm using now have a good crisp feeling, I'm also looking at more crisp feeling blade from your advice, thank you sir.

 

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Viscaria ALC blade from Butterfly I'm using now have a good crisp feeling, I'm also looking at more crisp feeling blade from your advice, thank you sir.

Because I already have some premium blades, I'm looking at slightly more budget options. I don't need the option to be very budget, like Chinese cheap, but it's welcomed. I am also open to consider other brands.

 

[Kupkake]

I also had the opportunity to try many different outer carbon blades, but NOT Hinoki carbons. For some reason Hinoki carbon blades aren't too popular in my club.

But based on your description on Stuor Nobilis and regarding how Hinoki muted the crisp feedback, it might not be for me. I do have a pure wood 7 Ply Hinoki, Nittaku Septear, and while it does have a good soft and smooth feeling like most Hinoki blades, I've come to realize that crisp feedback is something I need in a blade as it helps me a lot in control.

The limba inner carbon Dimitrij Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC I'm using now does have a good crisp feel at high power shots, but I'm looking at more 'crisp' blades for even more of this addictive feedback. From your description, the JOOLA blade seems like a good try

Joola ZQH 90 is very nice in that regard. Tons of clear feedback in the handle, I think the only "downside" is the speed, in that it really feels like there's no speed ceiling and encourages you to hit harder and harder, which sometimes isn't the best decision haha. But from my friend who plays mostly with Viscaria, he immediately noted that the ZQH 90 was crispier, faster, and longer arc (although they had very different rubbers). I think it's a great blade that is very well liked by most who try it.

The others I mentioned are also great blades (don't be fooled by the price of the Stuor, it's genuinely great), but they're maybe not for everyone. Some will love them and some will find them uncomfortable. I was able to get the Stuor Nobilis for $33 a few years ago and it's been the best performance to price blade I've tried. Only other contender is Yinhe V14-Pro.

 

[dprsspins]

Joola ZQH 90 is very nice in that regard. Tons of clear feedback in the handle, I think the only "downside" is the speed, in that it really feels like there's no speed ceiling and encourages you to hit harder and harder, which sometimes isn't the best decision haha. But from my friend who plays mostly with Viscaria, he immediately noted that the ZQH 90 was crispier, faster, and longer arc (although they had very different rubbers). I think it's a great blade that is very well liked by most who try it.

The others I mentioned are also great blades (don't be fooled by the price of the Stuor, it's genuinely great), but they're maybe not for everyone. Some will love them and some will find them uncomfortable. I was able to get the Stuor Nobilis for $33 a few years ago and it's been the best performance to price blade I've tried. Only other contender is Yinhe V14-Pro.

Joola has some pretty modern crisp blades. When I was browsing for the JOOLA ZQH, I came across the Tezzo line, and the Tezzo Spartan in particular attracted me. Anyone has experience with this blade?

 

[Faker]

Joola has some pretty modern crisp blades. When I was browsing for the JOOLA ZQH, I came across the Tezzo line, and the Tezzo Spartan in particular attracted me. Anyone has experience with this blade?

Joola makes good outer carbon blades. I have been using Vyzaryz Hybrid for 3 months and it is really good, and it has a really good crispy feeling.