Question for H3 users

[Jslick89]

I think you compare booster too much with speed glue. Speed glue was definitely bad. My problem with booster is that we DO NOT have really direct information about what is inside it, so i could not make decision based on knowledge. It can be harmless. But it also can be harmfull. And you don't provide strong proofs.

When we talk about health statements like "it's probably fine" killed a lot of people. So i am trying to avoid booster as much unless we have ANY information about it's true chemical content. I need information and not speculation about "it is probably okay". It must be stated on the package what is inside.

i made the comparison to speed glue because speed glue is an actual off-gassing product, where as booster is not.

I'm not trying to convince you to use booster or not booster, i'm merely stating that your assumptions about how booster works are not the same as mine. Of course, i'm basing off my personal experience about using the rubber, but i'm honestly not sure what you're basing your assumptions about how booster behaves on considering the fact that you dont use the product.

I do agree with you in the fact that there is not a list of all of the ingredients inside the booster, and i understand why you don't want to risk using booster, but i do not agree that booster is a "vaporizing oil liquid", at least not in the sense that most people refer to something as vaporizing. if you left a bottle of booster open in your room at room temperature and then you came back in a year, you would still have that bottle of booster. If you left your vaporizing speed glue bottle open in a room, and came back in a week, you would be left with just the gunk at the bottom .

 

[BlotOnPaper]

I do agree with you in the fact that there is not a list of all of the ingredients inside the booster

That is why i want it. It just solves my problem without making life harder for anyone else. If you want to boost - it's your life. But for god's sake ITTF need to rewrite rules about boosting so we can have information about chemical content.

 

[BlotOnPaper]

It's easy, but really impactful QOL change what they could implement without any effort. It makes everyone lifes easier. No downsides. So why we have current rule that just makes competition unfair and have potential health risks. It makes no sense. My main problem not the booster itself, but all the rules and regulations around it.

 

[BlotOnPaper]

I do not state anywhere that booster IS dangerous, i do not have such information. But the lack of information in itself is a big problem

 

[Jslick89]

They describes it to me like that: weight_1 - before boosting for the first time, weight_2 - after boosting for the first time. And their rubbers always comed back to weight_1 and not weight_2. After every reboosting. So i really can't belive both you and them because how we even getting such results.

this doesn't make any sense to me. you are essentially claiming that booster oil is made out of 100% VOC solvent, as its only the VOC that will evaporate at room temp. The oil used in booster simple do not evaporate like that over time.

Just ignore haifu for now, some people use paraffin oil or mineral oil to boost there rubber. These oils have such a high boiling point and have nearly no evaporation at room temperature. Now if you assume the base oil of modern booster is a similar chemical composition to paraffin or other mineral oil, you can deduce that these boosters do not evaporate at room temperature, at least not in a significant way, and undoubtedly not 100% evaporate as you (your friends) seam to imply. That alone should tell you that the information your friends are giving you is not accurate.

Either way- like i said, i'm not encouraging you to use or not use booster, i'm just pointing out that your comments about booster, such as calling it a vaporizing oil liquid, are not accurate.

 

[Jslick89]

I do not state anywhere that booster IS dangerous, i do not have such information. But the lack of information in itself is a big problem

I'm not saying you said its dangerous, but you did call it a vaporizing liquid oil and that is also not an accurate statement, at least in my layman's opinion.

 

[BlotOnPaper]

Now if you assume the base oil of modern booster is a similar chemical composition to paraffin or other mineral oil

And can we assume this without looking at chemical content?

 

[dingyibvs]

If there was truly zero evaporation then rubber would become heavier after every reboosting without loosing any weight. I think it would be noticable difference. But i don't have any information about instances where rubber becomes heavier every time.

It absolutely gets heavier each time. If it evaporates then you'd expect an off boost rubber to return to its pre-boost state, like a speed-glued rubber, but that's not the case. Off-boost rubber becomes floppy like an overstretched rubber band.

All behavior re: boosters is, interestingly, as ChatGPT stated in @Jslick89's post.

 

[dingyibvs]

I do not state anywhere that booster IS dangerous, i do not have such information. But the lack of information in itself is a big problem

There is also a lack of information re: factory boosting though. Those things absolutely do outgas, you can smell the strong stench of it when you open the packaging, and the ingredients as far as I can tell are not publicly known. This is as opposed to say Seamoon or Falco boosters which have almost no smell.

 

[BlotOnPaper]

This whole dialogue about booster content exactly proofs my point about the rules. It's not about am i right or wrong about what booster really is, it's about why the rules does not project reality of the game and make it easier and more transparent for everyone involved.

You can say 100 times that booster is harmless, it does not change anything about my statement that current rules are shit. Read my first comment from which it all started. They are shit not because of the booster itself but because they are written extremely poorly

 

[BlotOnPaper]

It absolutely gets heavier each time. If it evaporates then you'd expect an off boost rubber to return to its pre-boost state, like a speed-glued rubber, but that's not the case. Off-boost rubber becomes floppy like an overstretched rubber band.

All behavior re: boosters is, interestingly, as ChatGPT stated in @Jslick89's post.

Thanks for this information, i did not have experience with booster so i could not judge a lot of things by myself, only from words of others.

 

[BlotOnPaper]

There is also a lack of information re: factory boosting though. Those things absolutely do outgas, you can smell the strong stench of it when you open the packaging, and the ingredients as far as I can tell are not publicly known. This is as opposed to say Seamoon or Falco boosters which have almost no smell.

I always thought that boosters like seamoom and others also have strong smell. I diffinetely read it somewhere, but I couldn't remember about what booster this statement was exactly about.

 

[BlotOnPaper]

Only now i thought about how all the booster situation sound awfuly like alcohol prohibition in the 1920 in America.

So the reasonable change would be to legalize boosting but make strict rules for everyone. So sertification of every booster model and control over chemical content.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Some of my friends who boost their rubbers said exactly the opposite. So unless studied it's just speculation.

your friends saying boosting makes the rubber lighter??
are they over boosting and trimming off the stretched rubber? lol

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I always thought that boosters like seamoom and others also have strong smell. I diffinetely read it somewhere, but I couldn't remember about what booster this statement was exactly about.

players boost before tournaments (as much as the eve) and in the racket control, it passes VOC tests

if you are worried about smells, some rubbers from the packaging is probably more dangerous than boosters

 

[lodro]

the reasonable change would be to legalize boosting but make strict rules for everyone. So sertification of every booster model and control over chemical content.

If one considers that ITTF can not even control things like illegal serves, how would they cope with controlling the strict rules you are suggesting ?

Let's go back to when the "no boosting rules" started and why.
It was mainly to save the players brains from slowly disintegrating from VOC-fumes.

So, let's keep this rule but allow all those boosters that do not emit VOC-fumes