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hmmm i diagree that you have to have 100% correct timing and positioning to do well with hurricane. in fact, timing and positioning is important with any rubber. if you are off, your shot will be off, doesn't matter the rubber. More catapult doesnt always mean more forgivenes either. what if you misread your opponents serve and your springy rubber pops the ball up high for your opponent to kill on the 3rd ball?

I do agree that hurricane is not for everyone though. only the people that want to have the most fun :p

OP- if you want a controlled racket for cheap, try the Sanwei CC. You can find it cheap on aliexpress for like $10!
if you misread the serve only anti or long pips can save you and even that is not certain. hurricane or springy rubber, it will just fly off. ;)

more catapult will help you, when you are out of position or when the opponent squeezes one into your elbow. or attacks with a nasty backspin push ... C55 i.e. is great example of helping rubber, where it gives you a little bit of safety when the ball surprises you a bit ... Hurricane didn't.

I see it with my colleague who jumped onto the Hurricane train. yes, his loops are spinny, but when I wrongfoot him, he is toast. he took my blade with C55 and he managed to return the ball ... ;) coincidence or not? I don't know, I didn't play much with Hurricane, I did for a couple of hours. if I would be still competing and practicing 5-7 times a week, I would probably go for Hurricane, but with 2-3 times per week, I think we all need a bit of a helping hand. ;)
 
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It's plenty controllable for an intermediate player though, at least in my experience.

Have you actually played with all of those blades? That's an impressive list.

The Acoustic and YSE I had different experience though. Found the Acoustic too fast and difficult to control, much preferred the MLEO.
And I just didn't like the YSE, too much vibration and tiny sweet spot. This was the first ball I found to be useless for the plastic ball.
I agree on no 11, that's been my experience too over the past 3 mths.

I have played with every blade on that list. I used to play at a club where a good friend of mine worked there, opened, closed, made rackets for people. And we would hit and he was a wild equipment junkie and we would try the blades of pretty much everyone in the club. At first I didn't care. But then I found it interesting testing out so many different blades.

I don't think about equipment much these days. I can play with almost anything.

In a way, BlotOnPaper has a point. But I am fine playing with Koto top ply blades and I am fine with playing with Limba top ply blades and I am fine playing with Hinoki top ply blades. Each just takes a different kind of contact.

But, yeah, different people, for one Ma Lin Offensive Extra feels good. Whereas, the different ones I tried, I hated all of them.

If someone wanted a Koto top ply all wood blade, the Avalox P-500 is kind of nice. OSP V'King is a faster copy of that. I have one of those. Mine is about the same speed as my Timo Boll ZLF. So my V'King is faster than any Avalox P-500 that I have tried.

Once upon a time the Stiga Offensive Classic was Koto-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Koto. I am not sure when, but maybe some time in the 1990s or early 2000s Stiga started making the blade with a Limba top ply. It was better with the Koto top ply though, at least to me it was.

Butterfly used to make a blade with that construction too: the old Kong Linghui blade was Koto-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Koto because Kong Linghui used a P-500 when he won his first WTTC Singles title. Then he signed with Butterfly. That blade felt really nice.
 
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I'm surprised by the amount of people in this thread saying Acoustics are to fast and uncontrollable.

Yeah. Not my experience at all. But everyone is different.
 
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I'm surprised by the amount of people in this thread saying Acoustics are to fast and uncontrollable.
I have been using Acoustic for the past two months now exclusively ( which belongs to my son ). Even took it to two tourneys very recently. So it is very fresh in my mind about this blade. I can attest to it is extremely controllable. It is like driving a manual car; you can shift from first gear to fifth gear, all in your control. It is not an equipment issue but rather SKILL issue? When I execute my GOZO SMASH (tm), ball lands deep, very close to the white base line.
 
why is everyone so obsessed with Hurricane? is it a good rubber? yes! is it good for everyone? hell no.

it has great control, it does. you can produce heaps of spin with it, yes. is it forgiving? yes ... but only when you are on the ball! and what happens when you are not on the ball? when you are not 100% correct with timing? 100% with positioning on the ball? when you are tired and your feet do not cope with your head anymore? balls start falling into the net. in this regard, the rubber does nothing for you. NOTHING. "sorry mate, can't do everything on my own" that's what you get. it does not help you, not even an inch. but yes, when you hit the ball with utmost precision, it is the best rubber in the world. now, tell me, how many times do you hit the ball perfectly in a semi-final match, after a couple of tough matches in previous rounds, possibly after a couple double matches, in 5th set at 9:9? ;) and in this moment you will wish for a rubber, that maybe isn't that spinny, that doesn't have that much control, but has a little bit of catapult and that forgiveness and says "come on mate, we're in this together" and that can help you get those two more points ...

#rantover :p
Its just a good rubber for all beginners-intermediates, so I simply recommended it :)
hmmm i diagree that you have to have 100% correct timing and positioning to do well with hurricane. in fact, timing and positioning is important with any rubber. if you are off, your shot will be off, doesn't matter the rubber. More catapult doesnt always mean more forgivenes either. what if you misread your opponents serve and your springy rubber pops the ball up high for your opponent to kill on the 3rd ball?

I do agree that hurricane is not for everyone though. only the people that want to have the most fun :p

OP- if you want a controlled racket for cheap, try the Sanwei CC. You can find it cheap on aliexpress for like $10!
How good is CC?
 
if you misread the serve only anti or long pips can save you and even that is not certain. hurricane or springy rubber, it will just fly off. ;)
It could just be my bias, but my experience is that Hurricane 3 is WAY better in the serve-receive game than any tensor rubber. I think most people here would agree with that as well. It's not nearly as bouncy, so it's much more forgiving if you don't read the spin correctly. You personally might dump the ball in the net because it's slower than tensors, but that's an issue of not being accustomed to it.

hmmm i diagree that you have to have 100% correct timing and positioning to do well with hurricane. in fact, timing and positioning is important with any rubber. if you are off, your shot will be off, doesn't matter the rubber. More catapult doesnt always mean more forgivenes either. what if you misread your opponents serve and your springy rubber pops the ball up high for your opponent to kill on the 3rd ball?

I do agree that hurricane is not for everyone though. only the people that want to have the most fun :p
Agreed -- Hurricane is not for everyone. It is best for people who can hit with strength. If you feel like you can hit with power, then you should go for it. Even if you don't end up liking it I think it's worth trying -- a sheet is like $20, it won't break the bank.

Another benefit of Hurricane 3 is that you won't have to change it as you progress -- you can keep playing with it at a very high level. With tensor rubbers, you can't go to Tenergy right away because it's very hard to control, so you'll need to start with something like Rakza 7 and then switch to Rozena and then switch to Fastarc and then finally switch to Tenergy as your skill increases.

Also, as mentioned earlier, I think most people agree that Hurricane 3 is SIGNIFICANTLY better and more controllable in the serve-receive game than tensors. This is regarded as one of the major pros of playing with tacky Chinese rubber.

This is only about the blade. Everyone has different preferences. But I have to say, I would not put good control and Ma Lin Extra Offensive in the same sentence.

To me, that blade is hard as a rock and pretty unforgiving. It may work better for penhold players than for shakehand players. But, to me, the different Ma Lin Extra Offensive blades that I tried, they all were very hard. The top ply is hard. The sweet spot was small. And the dwell time was really as short as I have felt. Now, I have not tried a Ma Lin Extra Offensive in over a decade. But I can think of lots of blades I would consider to have good control with the same speed.
I think the Ma Lin EO blade has a very particular kind of feeling. Some people really end up liking it, and I think these people then go on to play with very hard outer-carbon constructions. Also, I think it pairs best with tacky Chinese rubbers (Skyline 2 in particular, but Hurricane 3 works too). Rakza 7 also works well but tensors generally don't feel great on it to me. If you get Ma Lin EO I'd advise putting tacky Chinese rubbers on it (as Ma Lin did).

It definitely does work better for penholders (it was designed for Ma Lin, after all) but I think it works well for shakehand too. Although I currently play penhold, my first blade was Ma Lin EO in shakehand FL style with Hurricane 3 both sides, and it's still my preferred shakehand setup.

Ma Lin EO excels at flicking, blocking, and loop-killing. Slow looping is not its forte. It suits a playing style that is centered around powerful attacks and fast blocks.

I think there are two main type of players

1) Limba top ply fans (softer wood)
2) Koto top ply fans (harder wood)

I played with Nittaku Acoustic and for me it was absolutely uncontrolable. It just shot the ball on it's own, both in short game and topspins, especially backhand.
I agree with this assessment of two types of players. I think type (2) players are the kind who will appreciate Ma Lin Extra Offensive -- a very hard (but also very flexible) blade. As a type (2) player I can't control Acoustic or other limba blades very well, and I find that they feel too soft and mushy -- that's just my experience. Many type (1) players find blades like Acoustic to be very controllable.

Walnut (the top ply of Ma Lin EO) is harder than koto. Rosewood and ebony are even harder than walnut.

Penholders seem to be almost entirely type (2), unless they play with pips. Shakehand players are more mixed.

But @Pong Learner unless you know which kind of blade you prefer, Ma Lin EO is a good place to start. It'll push you to be more of a type (2) player. Avalox P-500 is also a good type (2) blade. If you feel you are more type (1) and want a limba top-ply, go for Tibhar Stratus Power Wood. You'll probably try both a hard blade and a soft blade at some point during your career, and if you really like one more than the other you can switch.
 
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I have played with every blade on that list. I used to play at a club where a good friend of mine worked there, opened, closed, made rackets for people. And we would hit and he was a wild equipment junkie and we would try the blades of pretty much everyone in the club. At first I didn't care. But then I found it interesting testing out so many different blades.

I don't think about equipment much these days. I can play with almost anything.

In a way, BlotOnPaper has a point. But I am fine playing with Koto top ply blades and I am fine with playing with Limba top ply blades and I am fine playing with Hinoki top ply blades. Each just takes a different kind of contact.

But, yeah, different people, for one Ma Lin Offensive Extra feels good. Whereas, the different ones I tried, I hated all of them.

If someone wanted a Koto top ply all wood blade, the Avalox P-500 is kind of nice. OSP V'King is a faster copy of that. I have one of those. Mine is about the same speed as my Timo Boll ZLF. So my V'King is faster than any Avalox P-500 that I have tried.

Once upon a time the Stiga Offensive Classic was Koto-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Koto. I am not sure when, but maybe some time in the 1990s or early 2000s Stiga started making the blade with a Limba top ply. It was better with the Koto top ply though, at least to me it was.

Butterfly used to make a blade with that construction too: the old Kong Linghui blade was Koto-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Koto because Kong Linghui used a P-500 when he won his first WTTC Singles title. Then he signed with Butterfly. That blade felt really nice.

hmm.... BTY does have a koto-spruce-ayous in their line up right >>hadraw 5. Does this in the level of control & speed of OSP V'king?
 
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hmm.... BTY does have a koto-spruce-ayous in their line up right >>hadraw 5. Does this in the level of control & speed of OSP V'king?

Not sure since I never hit with that blade. It is worth trying though. Koto-Spruce-Ayous feels really good in my opinion, especially if you like blades with a harder top ply. So, something to consider.
 
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I think spruce is a particular taste. I've tried a couple of spruce medial (2nd) ply blades and found all of them making a sound/feel/vibration combination that I simply did not like. It's very distinct and typical, where ayous or limba in the medial layer has a much more neutral feeling (to me).
 
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Penholders seem to be almost entirely type (2), unless they play with pips. Shakehand players are more mixed.
It's particularly interesting in context that both you and me transition from shakehand to penhold. At least if I remember correctly.

I always loved hard and flexible blades, and in penhold they feel even better than shakehand. My theory is that softer limba top ply gives better vibration in the handle, and harder koto gives better vibration to the blade itself. So with limba you feel more palm crispiness, and with koto you feel sharper feedback to fingers.

In penhold you mainly feel the contact through fingers, so harders outer ply give much more information. In shakehand in my expirience limba is universally liked by more forehand oriented players. Backhand oriented players usually like koto more.

It is not some kind rule, just my personal statistics and theory.
 
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I have been using Acoustic for the past two months now exclusively ( which belongs to my son ). Even took it to two tourneys very recently. So it is very fresh in my mind about this blade. I can attest to it is extremely controllable. It is like driving a manual car; you can shift from first gear to fifth gear, all in your control. It is not an equipment issue but rather SKILL issue? When I execute my GOZO SMASH (tm), ball lands deep, very close to the white base line.
Makes total sense
Coming from a single Hinoki ply it's right that you should feel the different gears of a 5 ply wood blade as you play your repertoire of shots.

It's interesting the differing opinions on it.
I guess it depends on your technique, how hard you hit and what you are used to.
I think if the handle suited me better may have grown to love it but the handle felt small and rather than getting used to it, it just felt like every other blade I owned was more comfortable. This definitely contributes to the feeling you have for different shots also and so I just could get comfortable with it.

MLEO and Butterfly Innerforce ALC I have no such problems, have managed to adapt to them in short game and attack game without issues.
 
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If you get Ma Lin EO I'd advise putting tacky Chinese rubbers on it (as Ma Lin did).

It definitely does work better for penholders (it was designed for Ma Lin, after all) but I think it works well for shakehand too. Although I currently play penhold, my first blade was Ma Lin EO in shakehand FL style with Hurricane 3 both sides, and it's still my preferred shakehand setup.

Yeah. I always felt the Ma Lin Extra Offensive was better for Penhold players than Shakehand. It takes a particular kind of touch. I feel like it does take a refined way of contacting the ball.

That is part of why I made my first post. That touch is easier for penhold than shakehand. But, again, it really does depend on the player. And if you are used to contacting the ball a certain way, that blade is a good choice.

In the end, some of this has to do with what you started out with and learned to spin with. A good player will adjust.

NextLevel, about 10 years ago liked blades with soft top plies. These days, he likes blades that have a harder top ply. He just figured out the difference in what kind of contact you need to make for the harder top ply blades and why so many top pros, over the past 10-15 years, and especially since the change to the 40+ Poly ball, have started using blades with a Koto top ply.

With that kind of equipment, what you do to spin the ball is different. But you can get as much or more spin if you have the right contact.
 
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Its just a good rubber for all beginners-intermediates, so I simply recommended it :)

How good is CC?
for $10? Its very good. Definitely more vibration than my viscaria, but not as much as i felt on my friend's DHS Long 5. Backhand felt very controlled with the Dignics 09C. Forehand left a little to be desired but i think it was because i was using a cheap sanwei rubber...and i'm more used to my viscaria/hurricane 3 combo. Its a fun paddle to play with, especially when i really want to rip some backhands with confidence.
 
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