Tenergy 19 vs Tenergy 80 - What's the difference?

[ericd937]

I'm currently playing Tenergy 80 on my forehand side and was thinking about switching to Tenergy 19. The ratings of the two rubbers properties on the Butterfly website appear to be quite similar. Has anyone here tried them both? What could I expect? I'm only seeing comparisons to Tenergy 05 and Dignics. Thanks in advance for your insight.

 

[allfj]

Hi ericd937, i haven't tried either of these rubbers, but i can say i do alot of research. Dan actually did a review on it on his channel - see the youtube clip here and the forum post here

 

[ericd937]

Yeah, I've seen those. Thank you. There is a good bit of info about Tenergy 19, but I can't find anything at all comparing it to Tenergy 80. If you look at the numbers on the Butterfly chart, Tenergy 19 and 80 look nearly identical. I'm wondering if there would be any benefit in switching.

 

[yoass]

I like both T80 and T19. They play differently. T80 is deadish on very passive shots (a very good property) and deadly when going active; a good short game, and very aggressive active blocks and counters. It also counterspins well, with a relatively flat curve, landing quality shots deep on the table. It's fun in direct play (counters, smashes).

T19 has a quite passable short game. It spins up backspin a bit easier and safer (for me), with easier net clearance and a more pronounced dip. I have a high sense of reliability with it, with less flash and bang than the other tenergies. Of the two, for me T19 is the more versatile one and I like it a lot.

But I like Fastarc-G1 even better.

 

[PakDa1988]

I would also attach my situation to this topic here.
At the moment, I am looking for a new backhand rubber, and I am interested to test T19 oder T80 on my backhand.

Playing style: offensive on both sides, but very FH orientated. FH I play T05 in 2.1, very satisfied.
Wood: BTY Korbel all-wood.
I play BH in a more controlled manner, also with a lot of pushing/drives/blocks, but I also like to play top spin openings on backspin, but much less often than with the FH.
My game is 90% close to the table and I try to make points quickly.

Where do you see the pros and cons of each and which do you all think should go best with the play style?

 

[ericd937]

I like both T80 and T19. They play differently. T80 is deadish on very passive shots (a very good property) and deadly when going active; a good short game, and very aggressive active blocks and counters. It also counterspins well, with a relatively flat curve, landing quality shots deep on the table. It's fun in direct play (counters, smashes).

T19 has a quite passable short game. It spins up backspin a bit easier and safer (for me), with easier net clearance and a more pronounced dip. I have a high sense of reliability with it, with less flash and bang than the other tenergies. Of the two, for me T19 is the more versatile one and I like it a lot.

But I like Fastarc-G1 even better.

Thank you for your response. I think I will give the T19 a whirl.

 

[PakDa1988]

Thank you.
Any further experiences?

 

[GregorTT425]

Tenergy 80 is the mix of Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 64.

Tenergy 19 is literally another Tenergy 05 but has a higher sensation of control. The spin is slightly higher. The speed is slightly slower. It has the same spin sensitivity.

Tenergy 19 has more spin than Tenergy 80, but slower and has more control. Short and passive game is okay, but handling spin is not easy.

If I were to choose, I would go with T19. I was playing with that for months, but stopped because of its crazy price.

 

[Lazer]

Tenergy 80 is the mix of Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 64.

Tenergy 19 is literally another Tenergy 05 but has a higher sensation of control. The spin is slightly higher. The speed is slightly slower. It has the same spin sensitivity.

Tenergy 19 has more spin than Tenergy 80, but slower and has more control. Short and passive game is okay, but handling spin is not easy.

If I were to choose, I would go with T19. I was playing with that for months, but stopped because of its crazy price.

Accordig tp Butterfly's own diagram T19 is faster and less spinney than T05...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[GregorTT425]

Accordig tp Butterfly's own diagram T19 is faster and less spinney than T05...

Cheers
L-zr

Exactly, according to that. But that is a piece of rubbish. Don't tell me that the T05H would be as spinny and faster as the D09C. Otherwise everyone would just be that and not the Dignics (lower price). Also, the Tackiness series not being capable of producing "Tenergy-like" spin when they are? It is not a precise chart.

 

[Lazer]

Exactly, according to that. But that is a piece of rubbish. Don't tell me that the T05H would be as spinny and faster as the D09C. Otherwise everyone would just be that and not the Dignics (lower price). Also, the Tackiness series not being capable of producing "Tenergy-like" spin when they are? It is not a precise chart.

It all depends how Uou measure, unfortunately they don’t tell…

Cheers
L-dr

 

[GregorTT425]

It all depends how Uou measure, unfortunately they don’t tell…

Cheers
L-dr

They don't. I just cannot believe in this chart, it seems rather odd for me.

 

[Lazer]

They don't. I just cannot believe in this chart, it seems rather odd for me.

With a lot trampoline You get a different force/speed relation, where to measure. At the top or some kind of average. I don’t know. A curve wou have been better, but for sure something has changed. When it comes to the relation T05/T05FX I think the new is a better match. But if You throw in Rozena it’s totally off I think…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[kapahoo]

Used to look like this:

 

[ericd937]

Used to look like this:

We can not see your photo.

 

[kapahoo]

Ok. It was just an older version of the "butterfly rubber matrix". A bit different from the latest. Alla the Tenergies have the same spin as the corresponding FX-versions for instance. And Tackiness are on the same spin level as Tenergies. There are several versions, just google. Obviously more of sale material than actual help for players.

 

[art]

19 a little harder and more direct than 80, witch may be good for forehand. they are very similar however.

 

[art]

Tenergy 80 is the mix of Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 64.

Tenergy 19 is literally another Tenergy 05 but has a higher sensation of control. The spin is slightly higher. The speed is slightly slower. It has the same spin sensitivity.

Tenergy 19 has more spin than Tenergy 80, but slower and has more control. Short and passive game is okay, but handling spin is not easy.

If I were to choose, I would go with T19. I was playing with that for months, but stopped because of its crazy price.

i found 80 harder to handle spin in blocking since the bal digs a bit more in the topsheet