tried out a clubmembers setup and now i am a bit confused

[mihalichtheone]

Glayzer 09C embodies modern design priorities—high-friction topsheet plus hard sponge—for the ABS ball era, yielding safer open-ups, more stable counters, and a higher spin ceiling for contemporary play

Hurricane 3 was developed during speed glue era. T05 was developed around 2008? Doesn't matter really. The differences between rubbers exist, but it's not something that brings victories to players, especially regular players, not some top pros.

Pick what feels good for you and stick with it. Or choose EJ path like many of us did, but don't think it's going to fix problems

 

[sebi]

Hurricane 3 was developed during speed glue era. T05 was developed around 2008? Doesn't matter really. The differences between rubbers exist, but it's not something that brings victories to players, especially regular players, not some top pros.

Pick what feels good for you and stick with it. Or choose EJ path like many of us did, but don't think it's going to fix problems

Facts rather then spending money on equipment spend it on a coaching lessen

 

[Windkanal]

All are equal, but some are more equal than others - George Orswell

Likewise some setup are more legit than others - anonymous butterfly fanboi.

sometimes i am wondering if you are some sort of quote-bot
in literally every thread, i see a post of Gozo posting some random stuff lol

 

[Windkanal]

A 2010 rubber like Fastarc G-1 was tuned around the pre-plastic landscape; a 2023 release like Glayzer 09C is engineered for the plastic ball’s physics, so its baseline design choices are more compatible with modern play.

tbh... i could be terribly wrong because i simply dont work as a rubber engineer (and you neither prob.) to tell what goes into a development process. but your entire textblock sounds like ''marketing hogwash'' to me lol to sell products. it wouldnt surprise me if the entire ''it is DESIGNED for this and that ball'' is complete nonesense. how would that even look like from a design perspective? i honestly want to see that rubber designer in his lab and telling me how they specifically design a rubber to be used with a specific ball.

but ''designed for modern play'' or 'designed for plastic ball' wordings on the packaging simply sounds better right? and i dont think there is a requirement for it. literally anyone can print it on. i mean. just go over to aliexpress for example. literally any 3$ noname blade is called ''professional table tennis blade'' and random stuff like this. i had random rubbers to try where stuff like ''feel the ultimate power with this rubber and see why the best people in the world swear by it'' and random crap. and then you scout the best players and literaly NOONE is playing with it at all.

but if the packaging and the marketing says so... it has to be true right? because they say so

 

[NetProphet]

sry typing error. i mean the other way around. besides preference i highly doubt a primorac (wich is slower) with glayzers are ''a whole head higher'' (what ever that means) than fastarcs.

and that statement confuses me a bit because when i look online especially, i mostly get people who are rather meh about glayzer overall, while fastarcs are still considered one of the best rubbers you can buy, especially when you take durability into consideration on top.

i mean, its not as if we re comparing a Tenergy Setup to a prebuild racket here.

Sure, but he reckons it's a better racket. If you don't that's absolutely fine because everyone would experience that racket differently if they stepped up to a table with it tomorrow.

As for reviews, every review is really only worthwhile if you know the person who is writing it. Some are written by good knowledgeable people, some by people trying to help but without enough info, some are poor players and some are justifying their shiny new purchase etc etc.
What only matters here is how each rubber would suit YOU.

Your friends racket was effortless because of the softer rubber/sponge combo in Glayzer is my guess.
So I think we've established that G1 isn't working for you.
I would also offer that your TSP blade is a good blade, so (imo) it's a good idea for you to keep this.
What you are describing in your initial post where you consider a carbon blade is the idea of using equipment to compensate for poor technique and get your G1 'up to speed' as you put it. Save your money for coaching, this equipment idea you have will be a waste of money.
There is nothing wrong with your racket, it is a very good racket but it just doesn't suit you because I reckon your technique isn't good enough to play G1 to it's strengths.
You just need to find rubbers that compliment your level and your style.
I honestly cannot see past Rakza 7 for you but I also think that Glayzer could suit you too.
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If Glayzer were made by any other manufacturer it would have twice the reputation. But it happens that Butterfly have so many sexier and more expensive rubbers in their lineup that Glayzer looks like the ugly sister.

 

[NetProphet]

There's not much of a difference between both setups.

I guarantee if you were handed both rackets to play a match tomorrow you'd find a big difference between them! 😉

even advanced technology can't just make a material like "rubber" behave significantly different while retaining a similar level of hardness.

Really? Are you sure you don't want to reconsider this statement?
Tried Dignics rubbers? Tried H3?
Tried the same H3 boosted?

Don't put too much thought into comments that exaggarate differences like that.

He's noticed a direct and immediate difference between Glayzer on a 5ply wood blade V G1 on a 5 ply wood blade. Lots of people would notice this difference. Is it helpful to tell him to ignore this?
I agree that most reviews are to be ignored (because we don't know who's writing them) but if he's noticed it himself then......

 

[IB66]

So here's a couple of things:
- Glayzer and G1 aren't wildly different in terms of hardness, BUT
- Butterfly Spring Sponge has a quite unique feeling of the ball digging in which is probably what you felt
- G1 is also pretty unique as you say, the topsheet is quite tough for a tensor-type

I think G1 can feel softer when it's well-backed but it's perfectly suitable for your blade.

So what's probably going on is when you try someone else's blade, you subconsciously test it with more power than average, because you want to feel what it's like. Also, since you know it's not about serious play, you don't play your serious strokes, safe ones etc.

Only when you play a bat for longer than a few hours will you start tuning in to what you don't like about it (unless your first impression is already negative lol) and maybe start holding back on strokes you don't fully trust - that's when the nature of a rubber that's around your correct hardness will switch from being engaged properly to just not.

So when you start feeling those strokes not digging in - loosen up, relax, play with better acceleration of your racket and the situation will stabilize.

Lastly, I do feel like Butterfly makes a really good product that helps you stay confident. But just think about how confident you can feel when you master a rubber like G1!

Yes, yes, yes that BTY feeling!!! Spring sponge and spring sponge X for me it’s like Marmite (Vegemite or similar yeast based spread) it’s a love or hate thing!!!!!!! But check my latest posy on Z03!!!

 

[IB66]

I’m gonna say you have to try a set up during practice and matches. Also try in direct comparison on your current blade. If you don’t want to mess around your current set up then buy another one of your current blade, and use this for trials - ie if you are using the same rubber on both wings you can swap one side out as necessary and get a direct comparison.
If you want to get a new blade, then funds permitting get 2. If you have tried a friends set up and like it, blade and rubbers‘ get that as a starting point, with the 2nd blade you can play around with different combinations. Then once you have decided what you want, put the same combo on both blades, that way you’ll have a spare / practice set-up and a match set-up. I know this seems to be an expensive option, but if you damage one you’ll have a back up.
Also, don’t get pulled into constantly EJing, I’ve calmed my EJing down considerably. There are many ‘ball park’ rubbers out there, which are very similar.
I feel that a blade shouldn’t be changed too often, but that’s my personal take on blades!! Rubbers you can play around with a little more.

 

[NextLevel]

i really hate those type of generalization quotes because they basically devalues everyones opinion. you re not even allowed to have thoughts or opinions when people throw stuff like ''the grass is always greener'' quotes at you. by that logic, everyone should do exactly the opposite of what they do.

you are allowed to like or dislike things.

This is true but to some degree misses the point. The point is that very often, using another blade just feels better, but after a while, the feel becomes the same if you get the blade as your own. This is very different from a blade making you enjoy playing more, or a blade helping you hit shots you couldn't hit before. To be honest, it sounds, if the Primorac is the Primorac wood and not the Primorac carbon, that you are using 2 fairly similar blades/rubber settups and should not really care that much about it. You might prefer the feeling of one, but I strongly suspect your results will be very similar with both setups.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

sometimes i am wondering if you are some sort of quote-bot
in literally every thread, i see a post of Gozo posting some random stuff lol

Gozo: Helping the EJ community since 2021.

 

[Windkanal]

This is true but to some degree misses the point. The point is that very often, using another blade just feels better, but after a while, the feel becomes the same if you get the blade as your own. This is very different from a blade making you enjoy playing more, or a blade helping you hit shots you couldn't hit before. To be honest, it sounds, if the Primorac is the Primorac wood and not the Primorac carbon, that you are using 2 fairly similar blades/rubber settups and should not really care that much about it. You might prefer the feeling of one, but I strongly suspect your results will be very similar with both setups.

haha, kind of.
i mean i just ordered another sheet of G1 on sale. i m just used to them now and they work. the short time i played with the other setup the glayzers in a way felt a bit easier to play with, especially coming from the g1 but cant say better after a short session and i dont feel like making overly experimental changes right now. and you simply cant beat them for value anyways. g1 are 37 Euros on nittakus website atm and they last for ages. my FH sheet still looks and feels like brand new, even tho its roughly 2-3 months old and i am abslutely overdoing it with training. My club is open 4 days a week for training, 4h each and on weekend i usually put some long 6-8h session in with a friend on top and if wearther is dry, we take outdoor sessions in aswell so you have things like moisture and sun. Thats roughly 24h of playtime every week and the topsheets dont even have ballmarks or anything, look and feel as new.

 

[WingTT]

"The grass is always greener on the other side". It might not seem to be the case but sometimes it really is. I was an EJ and have owned over 35 rackets and tried different rubbers. I have used G1 for quite some time but no longer do so because there are much better rubbers more suitable to the plastic ball for me and I have also found the blade I like. Don't believe the people who say equipment makes little difference and spend money on training instead. Get good training if you can afford it but I am living proof that gear makes a difference. There's a reason why I stopped buying blades, I found something that makes me feel like I'm playing like a pro (Stiga Inspira Hybrid Carbon) and the only thing holding me back is not my blade but the amount of playing I can physically handle (not very much) to practice my game. It is a great feeling to know that the gear you have is good and you don't even have to think about it anymore and the only thing you have to think about is your footwork, tactics and different strokes to try and being impressed by the kinds of shots and rallies you manage to pull off.

 

[MORTtheORT]

So i am experimenting a bit atm, especially with a lot of laying around stuff from me and friends.

Right now i am playing a Tibhar Stratus Powerwood with Fastarc G1 both sides. After i tried a clubmembers Primorac with Glayzer both sides yesterday, it left me a bit confused tbh.
The feel you got out of his setup and how effortless it was to play was insane lol. it was also way more ''lively'' ?

With my setup, i am developing a sort of love hate relationship sort of? on one side: i love the fastarc g1 quite often and its really nice to play. however sometimes i also kind of dislike the fastarcs for the simple fact how thick their topsheets are. you have to push forward into every single ball to activate that hard top rubber. it can lead to weird situations. and even tho they are very linear wich can be good, they make me feel like maybe a carbon blade would be better to get them up to speed. and i tried a friends carbon blade with G1s and it felt really nice aswell. better? i dont know. but it felt really nice.

The primorac i played with yesterday for a bit kind of had none of these issues to begin with? it was kind of fast enough for most things and it was so much easier to play somehow and it felt super soft??? like i literally felt the ball sinking into the rubber and stuff. the G1 can feel like a dead brick at times if you dont actively push through. even tho on paper the g1 shouldnt be overly hard... it feels so hard.

it kind of makes me reevaluate if i might not even like softer rubbers. man that primorac glayzer felt so cool to use

Maybe a Tenergy 05 FX is worth trying if you can get your hands on one? The butterfly range tends to have soft topsheets, and the FX gives excellent control. Rakza 7 Soft is another similar option, depending on how much natural speed and spin you want out of the rubber. I think the G1 kinder sits between the T05 and the Rakza 7.

Tzifos advise to just change one rubber and see what you think is a good idea. You can always just put your G1 back on if you don't like the change.

If you make a change, it would be interesting to get your feedback on how the change felt?

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