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Hey all, beginner here. For some context, I've been playing for about 2 months now, but I think I've been able to improve extremely quickly. I'm able to consistently backhand rally with either blocking or looping with intermediate players. On the other hand, while I'm able to consistently block and drive with my forehand in rallies, my forehand loop is inconsistent.

Budget isn't an issue, and I'm planning on upgrading my rubbers to DHS Hurricane 3 National on the forehand and Butterfly Dignics 09c on the backhand, but I'm now wondering about the blade. I don't want to fall into the trap of getting anything too fast, so while I'm scared of getting anything with carbon, I'd like some recommendations for a more solid beginner blade that I can stick with until I'm at the next level.

I recognize I may be completely overcomplicating this and/or attempting to have too advanced of a setup for a beginner, but I figured I'd throw caution into the wind and express this idea of upgrading to see what a general consensus is since budget isn't an issue. Thanks y'all!! :)
 
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Hey all, beginner here. For some context, I've been playing for about 2 months now, but I think I've been able to improve extremely quickly. I'm able to consistently backhand rally with either blocking or looping with intermediate players. On the other hand, while I'm able to consistently block and drive with my forehand in rallies, my forehand loop is inconsistent.

Budget isn't an issue, and I'm planning on upgrading my rubbers to DHS Hurricane 3 National on the forehand and Butterfly Dignics 09c on the backhand, but I'm now wondering about the blade. I don't want to fall into the trap of getting anything too fast, so while I'm scared of getting anything with carbon, I'd like some recommendations for a more solid beginner blade that I can stick with until I'm at the next level.

I recognize I may be completely overcomplicating this and/or attempting to have too advanced of a setup for a beginner, but I figured I'd throw caution into the wind and express this idea of upgrading to see what a general consensus is since budget isn't an issue. Thanks y'all!! :)
Controversial rubber choices I would say and for me probably 2 of the rubbers I'd be least likely to recommend to someone playing only 2 mths.
DHS HN3 is gonna demand a Chinese style FH which you ain't gonna get without coaching so I'd say a decent ESN rubber would be a better choice if you don't have someone to coach you this style.
As for D09c, at the price I don't go near it but also would be wasted on me, I can't use 60% old it's capabilities. Waste of money for beginners, too hard to tame. You'll know after you use it for 6 mths and switch to something more suitable, then it's obvious that the rubber demanded too much in terms of touch, technique and control that you haven't learned, especially when experienced players start moving you around with good shots.

There are 1000 threads in here advising beginners and you'll get so many rubber recommendations it'll be your head that spins 😁
Fwiw my recommendation to a friend would be a 5 ply all wood blade with Yasaka Rakza 7 2.0 for FH and BH and $200 on coaching.
After a year of these you'll be 10 times the player. Then go test rubbers, have a blast and buy the exotic stuff that you want to have.
Just my opinion.
 
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H3 is fine, but chose the commercial version instead the national will be a waste of money. Dignics 09C is not only a waste of money, it’s totally wrong, waaay to hard for a beginner. I would recommend Xiom Vega Europe instead.

As a blade why not neottec Amagi all+ or just any allwood 5 ply just ahort of 6mm.

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You'll probably need to change your rubbers out about a dozen times over before your technique is good enough for H3 national or 09c to be a reasonable value proposition.

People pay high prices for rubbers like these because they might give an advanced player a couple extra points edge over their competition.

You're going to be spending hundreds of hours learning strokes and developing technique. Why buy the most expensive tires to put on an economy vehicle when you're learning to drive.
 
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Any wooden 5 ply blade:
Nittaku Violin is money is no problem
Butterfly Primorac ( not the carbon)
Stigma stratus powerwood
Butterfly Grubba
Donic Burn All+
The list goes on and on

Rubbers
Yasaka Rakza 7 or Z
Sanwei Gear Hyper
Andro GTT 45
Butterfly Rozena

There is this kid @ me club 19 yrs making tremendous progress. Plays with 1200 -1500 ranked members. Started 8 months ago. When he plays with me he puts one hand in his pocket.
He can open on backhand, forehand, chops, smash returns, 3rd ball attacks. Pendulum serves placed everywhere. That is progress.
He still plays with his premade bat.
 
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Hey all, beginner here. For some context, I've been playing for about 2 months now, but I think I've been able to improve extremely quickly. I'm able to consistently backhand rally with either blocking or looping with intermediate players. On the other hand, while I'm able to consistently block and drive with my forehand in rallies, my forehand loop is inconsistent.

Budget isn't an issue, and I'm planning on upgrading my rubbers to DHS Hurricane 3 National on the forehand and Butterfly Dignics 09c on the backhand, but I'm now wondering about the blade. I don't want to fall into the trap of getting anything too fast, so while I'm scared of getting anything with carbon, I'd like some recommendations for a more solid beginner blade that I can stick with until I'm at the next level.

I recognize I may be completely overcomplicating this and/or attempting to have too advanced of a setup for a beginner, but I figured I'd throw caution into the wind and express this idea of upgrading to see what a general consensus is since budget isn't an issue. Thanks y'all!! :)
One more thing, don’t forget to boost your H3 (any kind) if you get it.

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I like H3 but choose provincial blue sponge for best value for money. As for 09C it’s a good Bh rubber but imo it’s a bit too hard for me and it loses it tack quite easily. Plus it’s very expensive. Would recommend either H8 or a tensor rubber (personally for myself I’m getting Omega 7 Pro from Xiom
 
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I like H3 but choose provincial blue sponge for best value for money. As for 09C it’s a good Bh rubber but imo it’s a bit too hard for me and it loses it tack quite easily. Plus it’s very expensive. Would recommend either H8 or a tensor rubber (personally for myself I’m getting Omega 7 Pro from Xiom
09c on BH is (imo) for very advanced BH players and in most cases it's a better FH rubber.
Doesn't the H8 have poor durability too tho?
Are you recommending the H8 as a BH or FH option?
 
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09c on BH is (imo) for very advanced BH players and in most cases it's a better FH rubber.
Doesn't the H8 have poor durability too tho?
Are you recommending the H8 as a BH or FH option?
H3 Neo Blue Pro for FH and H8/Tensor for BH depends on needs for BH
 
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09c on BH is (imo) for very advanced BH players and in most cases it's a better FH rubber.
Doesn't the H8 have poor durability too tho?
Are you recommending the H8 as a BH or FH option?
Usually chinese rubbers last a long time (my first H3 lasts like a year), idk abt H8 as I only have had it on a pre-made racket (so doubt it’s even really H8 haha) but that H8 lasted a very long time
 
Don't get Dignics 09c. It's a very weird rubber and it's made for a very special niche of professional players.

Hurricane 3 is a good choice for forehand. Provincial blue sponge is probably the best option for your money.

If you feel like your backhand is pretty strong, then Hurricane 3 is a good option there as well. Otherwise, Hurricane 8 or Skyline 3-60 are good options (they have a softer sponge but still teach you good technique). Stiga Mantra is also a good option.

For the blade, get a 5-ply all-wood blade. Some amazing options are:
- Ma Lin Extra Offensive
- Ma Lin Extra Special
- Stiga Rosewood NCT V
- Neottec Voodoo Classic
- Butterfly Primorac
- Neottec Amagi All+
- Stiga Clipper

Don't get anything too fast. Tensor rubbers are a bad idea. Carbon blades are a bad idea.
 
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Hey all, beginner here. For some context, I've been playing for about 2 months now, but I think I've been able to improve extremely quickly. I'm able to consistently backhand rally with either blocking or looping with intermediate players. On the other hand, while I'm able to consistently block and drive with my forehand in rallies, my forehand loop is inconsistent.

Budget isn't an issue, and I'm planning on upgrading my rubbers to DHS Hurricane 3 National on the forehand and Butterfly Dignics 09c on the backhand, but I'm now wondering about the blade. I don't want to fall into the trap of getting anything too fast, so while I'm scared of getting anything with carbon, I'd like some recommendations for a more solid beginner blade that I can stick with until I'm at the next level.

I recognize I may be completely overcomplicating this and/or attempting to have too advanced of a setup for a beginner, but I figured I'd throw caution into the wind and express this idea of upgrading to see what a general consensus is since budget isn't an issue. Thanks y'all!! :)
Stiga Clipper.

Why Clipper?

Coz, if you don't like it, you can always sell it away. Clipper is highly sellable in the second hand market, just like a Toyota.
 
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Thanks everyone for the recommendations!!! After reading these comments and and others from different posts, I think I should avoid the H3 rubber on forehand until I get better and more consistent FH form, and I will avoid the Dignics 09c because it just sounds like it's too advanced for me in multiple ways.

I'm going to go ahead and go with the Nittaku Accoustic for blade, and Rakza 7 2.0 for both FH and BH. I think this setup will be a good, consistent setup, while also being more fast and give me more control than my current setup. After I get very consistent and learn more, I can get some different rubbers that may be better for whatever playstyle I develop :)

Thanks again! <3
 
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Thanks everyone for the recommendations!!! After reading these comments and and others from different posts, I think I should avoid the H3 rubber on forehand until I get better and more consistent FH form, and I will avoid the Dignics 09c because it just sounds like it's too advanced for me in multiple ways.

I'm going to go ahead and go with the Nittaku Accoustic for blade, and Rakza 7 2.0 for both FH and BH. I think this setup will be a good, consistent setup, while also being more fast and give me more control than my current setup. After I get very consistent and learn more, I can get some different rubbers that may be better for whatever playstyle I develop :)

Thanks again! <3
I am using Acoustic for 2 mths now and love it and have also gone to Rakza 7 on BH - I have Rakza X soft on my other racket and can't really decide between them. Both are fantastic rubbers for control as I'm trying to relearn (unlearn bad habits) with backhand technique.
There are a plethora of options and countless good ones but I really do think these are really good choices! Enjoy 👍
 
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I'd advise against investing in a Nittaku Acoustic unless you've actually held one in your hand. The handle is very slim for hands (ordinary 75kg male sized) and I regretted buying it for that reason. Spent 4 months trying different types of grip tape before giving up.
 
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Rakza 7 is fine, it's an all-round rubber and it doesn't do anything special. It's also kinda hard to loop with. Rakza X or Rakza Z are better options imo.

I'd urge you towards Hurricane 3 on the forehand, because it'll make you learn a better forehand topspin, but that's just me.

Nittaku Acoustic is a great blade, but the handle is somewhat small. Neottec Voodoo Classic has the same wood composition as the Acoustic, it has a better handle, and is much cheaper. Honestly I can't recommend Voodoo Classic enough.
 
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Thanks everyone for the recommendations!!! After reading these comments and and others from different posts, I think I should avoid the H3 rubber on forehand until I get better and more consistent FH form, and I will avoid the Dignics 09c because it just sounds like it's too advanced for me in multiple ways.

I'm going to go ahead and go with the Nittaku Accoustic for blade, and Rakza 7 2.0 for both FH and BH. I think this setup will be a good, consistent setup, while also being more fast and give me more control than my current setup. After I get very consistent and learn more, I can get some different rubbers that may be better for whatever playstyle I develop :)

Thanks again! <3
Thats a great choice! Now stay with this blade and rubbers for a year or two. Change rubbers every now and then to new Rakza 7's but don´t change to other rubbers. Nittaku Accoutic is fantastic and Rakza 7's are great.
 
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You've been given some great advice here, and frankly I can't add all that much to it. Rakza 7s are a very solid starting point as far as rubbers go (if a little heavy) and an all-wood blade (be it from nittaku or anybody else) is also an excellent starting point.

Two things I would add though (which haven't been discussed) are:

1 - Blades have their own speeds, just as rubbers do. Avoiding carbon is a good idea for now, as IMO it will interfere a bit with you laying down accurate muscle memory. But if you go with too fast a blade, the same thing can happen, even with an all-wood blade. I would recommend an ALL+ to ALL + speed blade ideally, with an OFF - being about as fast as you should consider with your current rubbers.

2 - I would try to find a blade with as linear a speed response as possible -- this usually means choosing a blade where the core and medial woods are either identical or else don't differ hugely in their density and hardness.

As you dive deeper into TT and blades in general, you'll find the composition of different blades is going to vary hugely. Many blades out there (including many of my own) will feature three or more different species of wood in them, graduating from soft and light in the centre to hard and solid on the outer layer. Blade makers do this because each species of wood has its own particular inherent speed and set of mechanical properties to it, and the blade smith is using those differences to create "gears" in the blade, just like the gears in a car.

The harder you hit the ball, the deeper the vibrations and impact energy goes into the wood, and the more the playing characteristics of these deeper woods comes to the fore.

As a Bladesmith, when making a blades that have multiple different wood species in them, you are basically trying to create a blade that behaves a certain way depending on the strength of your shots (this whole process is a bit like an engineer deciding the gear ratios of a car's gearbox -- get it right and the car has enough power in all circumstances. Get it wrong and you end up having to rev the engine either less or more in certain circumstances to compensate).

With a blade, light strokes mostly engage the outermpst layers of your blade, medium shots engage the outer and medials layers combined, hard shots engage all layers in the blade from the surface to the core, and very hard shots engage all the blade's layers including the medials and outer layers on the far side of the blade.

High speed, high performance blades are like a sports-car gearbox attached to a powerful motor. The blade's wood layers (and the playing gears they create) are optimised for a fast powerful engine (ie: the fast powerful rubbers mounted to the blade, and your optimised swing mechanics that drives that power).

Rakza 7 rubbers are a good all-round rubber that can operate well on either an ALL or OFF speed blade, so there's no problem for you there.

However, if you are using a blade that is geared for fact acceleration, then the fact you are using a slower rubber is going to be partially offset by the gears of the blade, which will be forcing the rubber to accelerate quickly. This translates as you having great control in the short game, but having rapidly diminishing control the harder you hit the ball, due to the speed jumps involved as the impact forces reach each different layer...Not an ideal situation for a beginner.

If you choose a blade with fewer wood species in it however, your slower and medium gears are going to be a lot closer together -- you're going to get fewer big jumps in speed as different layers of wood come into the impact response mix. Layers of similar or identical woods in a blade will usually have very similar density and rebound speeds to them (ie: also called their reaction property or popping catapult). This means the increase in speed your blade provides will be much more linear with smaller gaps between each 'gear'.

This gives you more control as you accelerate the ball during transitions from the short game to driving, from driving to looping, and looping to smashing. This is a far more desireable situation for a beginning player, as the vast majority of unforced errors occurr at amateur level when people are changing gears, and accelerating play.

Long story short, in the Rakza 7 you have a good, reliable all-round rubber with good control and moderate levels of speed. You want to mate that moderate performance profile to a blade with moderate jumps in speed and a linear impact response, where the force you put in is proportionate to the speed you get out. An all-wood blade with a largely homogeneous composition is far more likely to provide this for you.

Hope this is all helpful to you. Best of luck with it 🙂🙂
 
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Thanks everyone for the recommendations!!! After reading these comments and and others from different posts, I think I should avoid the H3 rubber on forehand until I get better and more consistent FH form, and I will avoid the Dignics 09c because it just sounds like it's too advanced for me in multiple ways.

I'm going to go ahead and go with the Nittaku Accoustic for blade, and Rakza 7 2.0 for both FH and BH. I think this setup will be a good, consistent setup, while also being more fast and give me more control than my current setup. After I get very consistent and learn more, I can get some different rubbers that may be better for whatever playstyle I develop :)

Thanks again! <3
That’s a great set-up as I’ve just ordered the new Acoustic G-Revision (the revised handle) since it was on sale at TT11, and plan on pairing with some R7 rubbers I currently have. Plan on using this for the next year or two to see how I progress.

Other rubber that feels similar is Rozena, and it’s also close in price. Im also reading how well Stiga’a Mantra Pro plays and Im interested in how thay would pair with an Acoustic, but that can wait for now.
 
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