What butterfly blade should i get?

[Archer]

I think that the soft sponge is primarily responsible for your lack of precise placement. Soft sponges will produce a consistent shot, but it is hard to be precise with them. They are error-tolerant, meaning that they will adjust to small inconsistencies in your stroke, meaning that it is difficult to use them precisely. Hard sponges give a greater degree of precision because they do not correct inconsistencies, but they require more control to use that precision. The stiff blade also probably doesn't help you.

Primorac is a good blade, and switching to Primorac alone should be enough to help your precision.

Rozena has a soft sponge, probably softer than R42. It's not super reactive to incoming spin, and a lot of people like it for that reason, but personally I'm not a fan. It will result in spinny balls flying off the bat less, but I don't think it gives you a great increase in precision for hitting your own balls.

I've never tried Vega Japan so can't comment too much on it.

Fastarc C1 is a little harder than Rozena but I think going for the same idea: soft sponge without sensitivity to spin. Both Rozena and C1 seem to be a part of this class of rubbers that you are trying to escape. They will compensate for a lack of control in the short game by not being very grippy, but they will also not give you the degree of control you need to place the ball accurately. Fastarc G1 is more reactive to spin, but also gives a greater degree of precision (if you are skilled enough to use it).

If I were to recommend a rubber, I'd say Rakza X. Rasanter R45 or R48 could also be a nice step up, if you feel like you've enjoyed R42. Fastarc G1 could also be a good choice -- it's the #1 selling rubber at most stores for a reason, worth trying at some point imo. Rakza 7 is a reliable choice that strikes a good middle ground between Rozena/C1 and Rakza X.

Thank You for the precise answer!
I for sure need to try my Primorac with R42 and Vega Euro before taking a decision
In any case what I understand you suggest is to take a step just a little bigger changing rubbers to guarantee me the precision I'm looking for

About my current setup, I enjoyed the R42 but there are 2 points on which I'm dubious, the first is the precision but as we have seen we can simply overcome this going to the harder R45 sponge model, the second is the high throw angle

I still have to understand correctly the various advantages and disadvantages of a high throw rubber (and also if I'm really able to identify when a rubber is high throw shoting but I think the R42 is it)

In any case what to me seems the disadvantage of an high throw angle rubber is that the projected area of the racket going to hit the ball is smaller versus a middle or low throw rubber because I don't need to close so much the racket angle to take the ball on the table
Could this be true?
With a more vertical racket would be easier to hit the ball when the arm movement is fast also making finally a better placement with less probability to mis hit the ball

For this reason as next rubbers I'm also looking for medium throw rubber, or could still just be just a normal behaviour of soft rubbers?

So maybe I will avoid other Rasanter series rubbers

I would like very much that my level is already good for a Fastarc G1 because is for sure a milestone rubber, I have heard only good things about it!

Circa Yasaka rubbers I must admit that in particular on Rakza model I'm puzzled by the very few information that yasaka give...

I mean Rakza 7 is a great classic and golden standard and an optimum contender in my search, but all the others? what they aimed for exactly?

Thank you again for your reply much appreciated!

 

[Archer]

p.s. I assume that high throw angle and high arc trajectories are different aspects and not one the consequence of the other, I'm right?

 

[Machi]

p.s. I assume that high throw angle and high arc trajectories are different aspects and not one the consequence of the other, I'm right?

high throw is high arc I think, it's the same thing

 

[greenbeanmachine]

In any case what to me seems the disadvantage of an high throw angle rubber is that the projected area of the racket going to hit the ball is smaller versus a middle or low throw rubber because I don't need to close so much the racket angle to take the ball on the table
Could this be true?

Yeah, follows from some basic geometry. But with the racket turned down, (some say) you can control heavy topspin better than with an open racket.

There is also some variability in how you hit the ball -- if you use a high-throw rubber you are more likely to hit the ball coming from above it, whereas if you use a low-throw rubber you are more likely to hit the ball at or below the horizontal. These strategies maximize the area of the rubber which can hit the ball, for each respective rubber.

For this reason as next rubbers I'm also looking for medium throw rubber, or could still just be just a normal behaviour of soft rubbers?

I'm not sure. I think it has to do with the tensor topsheet more than the sponge. There are soft rubbers which have low throw angle (Mark V for instance) but they aren't tensors.

If you want a lower throw, you might consider Mark V. It's old school, but you can play quite well with it. You could also consider softer Chinese rubbers like Hurricane 3 37deg. I believe you can find Hurricane 3-50 and Hurricane 8-80 with even softer sponges, like 35deg.

I would like very much that my level is already good for a Fastarc G1 because is for sure a milestone rubber, I have heard only good things about it!

You could try G1 and if it doesn't work, just keep it for when you get more skill. It really is a great rubber.

Circa Yasaka rubbers I must admit that in particular on Rakza model I'm puzzled by the very few information that yasaka give...

I mean Rakza 7 is a great classic and golden standard and an optimum contender in my search, but all the others? what they aimed for exactly?

Rakza X is a more advanced version of Rakza 7, for more advanced players. Rakza XX is for very advanced players and pros, and people who want a harder sponge. Rakza 9 has less spin and more speed -- not worth trying imo.

p.s. I assume that high throw angle and high arc trajectories are different aspects and not one the consequence of the other, I'm right?

Yes, this follows from Newton's second law of physics. The arc of the ball is completely determined once it has left the racket -- it depends only on the speed, direction, and spin of the ball in the moment after contact.

 

[Archer]

Yeah, follows from some basic geometry. But with the racket turned down, (some say) you can control heavy topspin better than with an open racket.

There is also some variability in how you hit the ball -- if you use a high-throw rubber you are more likely to hit the ball coming from above it, whereas if you use a low-throw rubber you are more likely to hit the ball at or below the horizontal. These strategies maximize the area of the rubber which can hit the ball, for each respective rubber.


I'm not sure. I think it has to do with the tensor topsheet more than the sponge. There are soft rubbers which have low throw angle (Mark V for instance) but they aren't tensors.

If you want a lower throw, you might consider Mark V. It's old school, but you can play quite well with it. You could also consider softer Chinese rubbers like Hurricane 3 37deg. I believe you can find Hurricane 3-50 and Hurricane 8-80 with even softer sponges, like 35deg.


You could try G1 and if it doesn't work, just keep it for when you get more skill. It really is a great rubber.


Rakza X is a more advanced version of Rakza 7, for more advanced players. Rakza XX is for very advanced players and pros, and people who want a harder sponge. Rakza 9 has less spin and more speed -- not worth trying imo.


Yes, this follows from Newton's second law of physics. The arc of the ball is completely determined once it has left the racket -- it depends only on the speed, direction, and spin of the ball in the moment after contact.

Thank You again greenbeanmachine, information much appreciated!!

Today I have tried the Primorac with Rasanter R42 and Vega Euro... it's a huuuge difference from the BTY ALC.S and if I think to the small distance in the official Butterfly chart between the two blades I start thinking I should never ever use again that graph to make assumptions...
(The ALC.S is really fast also going slow, it exploit my soft rubbers squeezing them like lemons against the ball, Primorac can unify the softness of the rubbers with it's wood softness seamlessly... much control, less crazy speeds)

(I have just the problem that moving the R42 from one blade to the other I found out it shrinked many millimeters ... probably because using the roller glueing it the first time on the ALC.S I have pushed it, now I know that I have to lean the rubber on the blade and after pass the roller... good to know)

Now I have to think wisely which direction to take with the rubbers, because also if now I have less speed and more control the overall precision in shot placement is only marginally increased(for the moment, today I played 1 hour and a half)

I have the impression that G1 and Rakza X are some kind of too much advanced, also if revspin say that R42, G1 and Rakza X, all have 9 as vote for speed, sound strange
Your idea is that from R42 to Rakza X there's not a big step, right? it's still a rubber usable from early-intermediates and above?

Still also have to understand how much RevSpin is reliable....

p.s. thinking it better maybe considering how much controlled and less reactive is the Primorac going to a more fast and advanced rubber should not be that big step ...

 

[Silver Server]

Still also have to understand how much RevSpin is reliable....

Don’t trust RevSpin. They’re pulling random numbers out of their asses from multiple reviews.

Rakza 7 & G1 are from the same generation. Released within a year from each other. G1 is better in the short game, has a grippier & harder top sheet, but imo may be a bit less forgiving than R7.

 

[Machi]

How about c1?

Thank You again greenbeanmachine, information much appreciated!!

Today I have tried the Primorac with Rasanter R42 and Vega Euro... it's a huuuge difference from the BTY ALC.S and if I think to the small distance in the official Butterfly chart between the two blades I start thinking I should never ever use again that graph to make assumptions...
(The ALC.S is really fast also going slow, it exploit my soft rubbers squeezing them like lemons against the ball, Primorac can unify the softness of the rubbers with it's wood softness seamlessly... much control, less crazy speeds)

(I have just the problem that moving the R42 from one blade to the other I found out it shrinked many millimeters ... probably because using the roller glueing it the first time on the ALC.S I have pushed it, now I know that I have to lean the rubber on the blade and after pass the roller... good to know)

Now I have to think wisely which direction to take with the rubbers, because also if now I have less speed and more control the overall precision in shot placement is only marginally increased(for the moment, today I played 1 hour and a half)

I have the impression that G1 and Rakza X are some kind of too much advanced, also if revspin say that R42, G1 and Rakza X, all have 9 as vote for speed, sound strange
Your idea is that from R42 to Rakza X there's not a big step, right? it's still a rubber usable from early-intermediates and above?

Still also have to understand how much RevSpin is reliable....

p.s. thinking it better maybe considering how much controlled and less reactive is the Primorac going to a more fast and advanced rubber should not be that big step ...

How about trying fastarc c1?

 

[steve888]

I think start with Razka 7 , these guys have it 9.5 out of 10 for control. I tend to agree, a great all round rubber for beginners upwards.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Thank You again greenbeanmachine, information much appreciated!!

Today I have tried the Primorac with Rasanter R42 and Vega Euro... it's a huuuge difference from the BTY ALC.S and if I think to the small distance in the official Butterfly chart between the two blades I start thinking I should never ever use again that graph to make assumptions...
(The ALC.S is really fast also going slow, it exploit my soft rubbers squeezing them like lemons against the ball, Primorac can unify the softness of the rubbers with it's wood softness seamlessly... much control, less crazy speeds)

(I have just the problem that moving the R42 from one blade to the other I found out it shrinked many millimeters ... probably because using the roller glueing it the first time on the ALC.S I have pushed it, now I know that I have to lean the rubber on the blade and after pass the roller... good to know)

Now I have to think wisely which direction to take with the rubbers, because also if now I have less speed and more control the overall precision in shot placement is only marginally increased(for the moment, today I played 1 hour and a half)

I have the impression that G1 and Rakza X are some kind of too much advanced, also if revspin say that R42, G1 and Rakza X, all have 9 as vote for speed, sound strange
Your idea is that from R42 to Rakza X there's not a big step, right? it's still a rubber usable from early-intermediates and above?

Still also have to understand how much RevSpin is reliable....

p.s. thinking it better maybe considering how much controlled and less reactive is the Primorac going to a more fast and advanced rubber should not be that big step ...

On some level, you have to play with advanced rubber in order to develop the skills that you need to use it. If you keep playing with beginner-tier rubbers like Vega Europe you won't learn the skills you need to play quickly and precisely. I think G1 or Rakza X should be a good choice for you. With an all-wood blade, you should be able to control it. Advanced rubber + controlled blade is a better combination than controlled rubbers + advanced blade in my opinion.

If you're feeling like playing it safe, Rakza 7 is also a good option -- it can take you to a reasonably high skill level as well.

Part of the reason that Hurricane 3 is such an incredible rubber is because beginners can use it and continue to use it up until they are professionals. It doesn't have this problem of needing to change rubber when you reach a new skill level.

Rasanter shrunk after you removed it from the blade because Rasanter is heavily boosted. Once the boost wears off, the rubber shrinks.

Don’t trust RevSpin. They’re pulling random numbers out of their asses from multiple reviews.

I agree. RevSpin is mostly nonsense.

 

[steve888]

https://www.spintesters.com/ . This website is helpful.

 

[steve888]

https://racketinsight.com/?s=Rozena+ and this website.

 

[Machi]

I have a question,why do people say rozena is faster than glayzer? When I do forehand topspins on my hadraw 5, glayzer feels faster than rozena, but people say glayzer is slow and rozena is faster. Why?

 

[Machi]

Rozena arc lands close to the net and glayzer arc lands deeper, almost at the table endline

 

[steve888]

I have a question,why do people say rozena is faster than glayzer? When I do forehand topspins on my hadraw 5, glayzer feels faster than rozena, but people say glayzer is slow and rozena is faster. Why?

I think Rozena is more catapult when hit hard. Glazier I think is faster at normal shots. I do feel glazier lands deeper in the court. Which do you prefer? Which do you feel has more control especially at close court play?

 

[Machi]

I think Rozena is more catapult when hit hard. Glazier I think is faster at normal shots. I do feel glazier lands deeper in the court. Which do you prefer? Which do you feel has more control especially at close court play?

in the short game, glayzer obviously has more control because harder sponge and less catapult

 

[steve888]

in the short game, glayzer obviously has more control because harder sponge and less catapult

Do you prefer glayzer or Rozena?

 

[Machi]

Do you prefer glayzer or Rozena?

glayzer

 

[Pe-ter]

glayzer

And how do you like the hadraw 5?

 

[steve888]

glayzer

In what way did you find glayzer better?

 

[Machi]

I think Rozena is more catapult when hit hard. Glazier I think is faster at normal shots. I do feel glazier lands deeper in the court. Which do you prefer? Which do you feel has more control especially at close court play?

More catapult means faster on soft/normal shots but starts to bottom out on harder shots because it has softer sponge, glayzer is faster on harder shots because harder sponge so it bottoms out harder, but slower on soft shots.