Which blade?

[Waldner1965]

Until now i have played with a blade called Stiga Classic Oversize.

This blade is a bit thicker than regular blades, and therefore a bit heavier. This feels really good to play with, and i got the feeling of a extension of my arm playing with it.

Now i want to find a similar blade, and i also want to get that nice feeling with the arm extension. I play with Donic rubbers, so i want my blade to also be Donic.

Which blade shall i choose?

 

[Cornel]

Why do you want to have the blade of the same brand as the rubbers?

 

[Kaizoku]

I think your rubber combo is good, I personally used Jp01-Turbo with Jp-03 on bh. I tried m1-Turbo on fh with M1-Turbo on bh, but the 01-Turbo is not the best for bh, imo. and I liked jp01 Turbo better for fh than M1 so, yeah. Nice combo.
Donic blades seem okey, and they would certainly work if you find the right one. All manufacturers work with wood and carbon/fiber of similar material afterall. Therefore Most brands have some similar blades, but ofc with different design. and often slightly different material composition.
Yet, I see no reason to be dead set on picking the same brand for blade, as rubbers, Unless you're sponsored.
Stiga Allround Classic (oversize just means bigger handle or overall slightly bigger yes?) As I've never seen that handle before, and couldn't find a picture of it, but I presume it has the same plies as "Stiga Classic Allround?"
Anyhow, the Stiga Classic is indeed very classic with it's plies "limba-ayous-ayous-ayous-limba" (5 plies)
and has therefore also a very good feel, yet is a bit slower than most higher level competition blades used to day (in attack play at least), and does not have a huge sweet spot. (though the feel and dwell gives you a easier time generating spin ofc)
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/stiga-allround-classic.html Not very stiff, good controll, but only decent speed.
Therefore, we'd have to find a Donic blade with similar rated aspects, and/or similar material composition.
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?9171-Wood-and-Composite-Types! (composite info here)
We have, the Donic Appelgren Allplay: limba - limba - ayous - limba - limba, which has 2 Limba instead of Ayous plies.
Which is VERY similar in rating http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/donic-appelgren-allplay.html
There is also the, Donic Waldner Dicon: limba - spruce - ayous - spruce - limba
The spruce is "used to create better speed, spruce plies result in big sound and good feeling when you hit the ball"
Therefore this blade is related similar, but slightly faster, and maybe a slightly diferent feel.
If I'd want the feel you're searching for though, I think I'd buy the Nittaku Violin, a bit faster, with slightly diferent wood, (white ash-white ash-kiri-white ash-white ash). But I'm pretty sure you'd love it.
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/nittaku-violin.html

 

[Waldner1965]

Why do you want to have the blade of the same brand as the rubbers?

I am a Donic fanboy

 

[Waldner1965]

I think your rubber combo is good, I personally used Jp01-Turbo with Jp-03 on bh. I tried m1-Turbo on fh with M1-Turbo on bh, but the 01-Turbo is not the best for bh, imo. and I liked jp01 Turbo better for fh than M1 so, yeah. Nice combo.
Donic blades seem okey, and they would certainly work if you find the right one. All manufacturers work with wood and carbon/fiber of similar material afterall. Therefore Most brands have some similar blades, but ofc with different design. and often slightly different material composition.
Yet, I see no reason to be dead set on picking the same brand for blade, as rubbers, Unless you're sponsored.
Stiga Allround Classic (oversize just means bigger handle or overall slightly bigger yes?) As I've never seen that handle before, and couldn't find a picture of it, but I presume it has the same plies as "Stiga Classic Allround?"
Anyhow, the Stiga Classic is indeed very classic with it's plies "limba-ayous-ayous-ayous-limba" (5 plies)
and has therefore also a very good feel, yet is a bit slower than most higher level competition blades used to day (in attack play at least), and does not have a huge sweet spot. (though the feel and dwell gives you a easier time generating spin ofc)
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/stiga-allround-classic.html Not very stiff, good controll, but only decent speed.
Therefore, we'd have to find a Donic blade with similar rated aspects, and/or similar material composition.
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?9171-Wood-and-Composite-Types! (composite info here)
We have, the Donic Appelgren Allplay: limba - limba - ayous - limba - limba, which has 2 Limba instead of Ayous plies.
Which is VERY similar in rating http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/donic-appelgren-allplay.html
There is also the, Donic Waldner Dicon: limba - spruce - ayous - spruce - limba
The spruce is "used to create better speed, spruce plies result in big sound and good feeling when you hit the ball"
Therefore this blade is related similar, but slightly faster, and maybe a slightly diferent feel.
If I'd want the feel you're searching for though, I think I'd buy the Nittaku Violin, a bit faster, with slightly diferent wood, (white ash-white ash-kiri-white ash-white ash). But I'm pretty sure you'd love it.
http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/nittaku-violin.html

Ty for all links and tips. It seems hard to find a similar blade to my Stiga Classic Oversize blade. My combo of it with the Bluefire M3 rubber on BH will be hard to compete with. I recently changed from M1 to JP01 Turbo on FH, and this seems like a good change. Although, i feel sometimes that it can go a little bit too fast with my FH strikes. But the touch and feel of the ball with this rubber is priceless.

Anyone familiar with regular JP01? Is the only difference that it is slower and less spinny?

 

[Killerspintt]

The stiga classic oversize is the oversized version of Stiga Energy wood WRB, I played with this blade and it's true that the feeling is very good.

You might consider Donic Waldner Senso V1 if you want a donic blade, it's a 5 ply all wood with limba outer (limba-limba-ayou-limba-limba) and it provides also very good feeling.

 

[Kaizoku]

Ty for all links and tips. It seems hard to find a similar blade to my Stiga Classic Oversize blade. My combo of it with the Bluefire M3 rubber on BH will be hard to compete with. I recently changed from M1 to JP01 Turbo on FH, and this seems like a good change. Although, i feel sometimes that it can go a little bit too fast with my FH strikes. But the touch and feel of the ball with this rubber is priceless.

Anyone familiar with regular JP01? Is the only difference that it is slower and less spinny?

I've heard the jp-01 Turbo is an overall upgraded version of Jp-01, so I would stick with it.
This was the most usefull link I could find about the case: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/foru...&title=donic-bluefire-m1-turbo-and-jp01-turbo
I know what you're saying about a bit too fast, but you'l probably get used to it.
You see, because of the catapult effect, it has many gears, when you punch it, or loop it hard, you feel the catapult to it's full extent and often goes a bit faster/longer trajectory than you'd usually experience with a normal non tensor rubber like for example. Mark v. It's a matter of getting used to I believe.
To give you a picture, Let's say Mark v double in speed, when punch i ttwice as hard (as 1x=10) so 2x (20) power, equals 2x speed. But in Catapult rubbers, like Jp-01, where 1x power is 10, 2x could be closer to 30. You will also feel this on counter loops. if you get a heavy top spin. (one of the things I was struggeling most with, with that rubber hehe)
I think Appelgren would be the most similar blade though, not that bad with a 2 ply ayous to Limba change...
"- Limba and ayous seem very similar. They both are soft and have heavy grains. Typically the limba blades are a bit more expensive, so you'll find them more commonly in the japanese and euro blades and the ayous more in the chinese, although there are exceptions. From my experience limba grains are a bit tighter and don't shed as badly. As a result I think it's just a touch harder. Both should be sealed before gluing, but ayous MUST be sealed or it WILL strip off with the rubber."

EDIT: I guess I misunderstood, Stiga Energy wood WRB is a slightly different blade.. they have the same plies though, but with the WRB technology.
Donic Waldner Senso V1 is also a good sugestion. (and has the same composition as appelgren!?)

 

[Waldner1965]

I've heard the jp-01 Turbo is an overall upgraded version of Jp-01, so I would stick with it.
This was the most usefull link I could find about the case: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/foru...&title=donic-bluefire-m1-turbo-and-jp01-turbo
I know what you're saying about a bit too fast, but you'l probably get used to it.
You see, because of the catapult effect, it has many gears, when you punch it, or loop it hard, you feel the catapult to it's full extent and often goes a bit faster/longer trajectory than you'd usually experience with a normal non tensor rubber like for example. Mark v. It's a matter of getting used to I believe.
To give you a picture, Let's say Mark v double in speed, when punch i ttwice as hard (as 1x=10) so 2x (20) power, equals 2x speed. But in Catapult rubbers, like Jp-01, where 1x power is 10, 2x could be closer to 30. You will also feel this on counter loops. if you get a heavy top spin. (one of the things I was struggeling most with, with that rubber hehe)
I think Appelgren would be the most similar blade though, not that bad with a 2 ply ayous to Limba change...
"- Limba and ayous seem very similar. They both are soft and have heavy grains. Typically the limba blades are a bit more expensive, so you'll find them more commonly in the japanese and euro blades and the ayous more in the chinese, although there are exceptions. From my experience limba grains are a bit tighter and don't shed as badly. As a result I think it's just a touch harder. Both should be sealed before gluing, but ayous MUST be sealed or it WILL strip off with the rubber."

EDIT: I guess I misunderstood, Stiga Energy wood WRB is a slightly different blade.. they have the same plies though, but with the WRB technology.
Donic Waldner Senso V1 is also a good sugestion. (and has the same composition as appelgren!?)

Is the Waldner Senso v1 the same weight as my blade? Can i watch some review of it anywhere?

 

[Killerspintt]

Waldner senso V1 as a very classic composition, like many other "classic" blades like : Joola K5 or Bty Korbel. From my experience, the Waldner senso V1 has a better feeling, feels softer than the Bty Korbel.
The blade is off-/off, high dwell time, tons of spin, high throw and easy to play in every aspects of the game. YOu might also consider the JO shape version of this blade which is a bit faster.

The price is also very fair for such a good blade.

You can also consider the high end quality blades from Donic : the world champion 89 series and particularly the Appelgreen All+. It has very specific but really good feeling, and despite the ZLC inside this blade produces as much spin as an allwood 5ply blade. The sweet spot is the biggest I've ever seen (as good as the superZLC's from BTY). But considering the price (about €100), you better test this blade before considering buying it.

Since I'm back to 5 ply allwood blades, I have forgotten about the composite blades and there lack of feeling but I might swtich the Appelgreen wc89 since it produce as much spin as an allwood and provide allwood feeling despite the composite.

 

[Waldner1965]

Waldner senso V1 as a very classic composition, like many other "classic" blades like : Joola K5 or Bty Korbel. From my experience, the Waldner senso V1 has a better feeling, feels softer than the Bty Korbel.
The blade is off-/off, high dwell time, tons of spin, high throw and easy to play in every aspects of the game. YOu might also consider the JO shape version of this blade which is a bit faster.

The price is also very fair for such a good blade.

You can also consider the high end quality blades from Donic : the world champion 89 series and particularly the Appelgreen All+. It has very specific but really good feeling, and despite the ZLC inside this blade produces as much spin as an allwood 5ply blade. The sweet spot is the biggest I've ever seen (as good as the superZLC's from BTY). But considering the price (about €100), you better test this blade before considering buying it.

Since I'm back to 5 ply allwood blades, I have forgotten about the composite blades and there lack of feeling but I might swtich the Appelgreen wc89 since it produce as much spin as an allwood and provide allwood feeling despite the composite.

Well, to be honest i can not seem to find any blade that will match the requirements of my existing blade. Although i can sometimes feel that it is quite heavy, there is compensation in form of awesome control and feeling. I think this is probably the thicker handle, and this can not be found on any other blade.

So Stiga just tried this thing with a thicker blade, and no other manufacterer did?

 

[Killerspintt]

No other manufacturer did because the Stiga's Oversize series was a commercial failure

 

[Waldner1965]

K, this means changing blade can mean too big difference for my playing? In a negative way.

 

[raazzz]

How does it come that you are such a fanboy of Donic that you want to change from a blade you seems to like?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

K, this means changing blade can mean too big difference for my playing? In a negative way.

One thing you should know, the info presented this far about that oversize, some of it doesn't fit.

The oversize is a larger head. What this does is give you more feeling, more pace and a larger sweet spot.

That is a GREAT blade. If you like the weight, the balance and the feeling of that blade DO NOT CHANGE BLADES. You can find other good blades but that blade probably feels great and better than most of what is available from any company.

The Energy Wood is an Off- blade that is on the faster side of Off- (almost Off). That blade should be an Off speed blade that is decently fast.

You won't find an all wood blade from most companies that feels as good or has a similar balance and speed.

See if you can find a friend or two who have Donic blades and try theirs just to test. My bet is that they won't have as much feeling as your blade.


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[Waldner1965]

Ok, perhaps i will try another blade sometime in the future.

As for now, i can not seem to find a similar blade according to previous answers.

So i will keep it for some more years

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

If at some point if you really wanted a new blade or needed one but wanted something with as good a feel, you could contact OSP and ask for a Virtuoso or a Virtuoso + with a head size of 151mm x 158mm. Or you could measure the head of your blade and have them make the exact same sized head because I am not 100% sure 151x158 is the same size as those oversized heads. But I am pretty sure they would custom the head size for you since I have had that done to all my blades from them.


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[Killerspintt]

After some research, maybe I found something you can try : Donic Waldner Black Power. Composition is Limba-ayou-ayou(core) just like the energy wood. The blade is tick, 6+mm. Now the Waldner Black Power might be hard to find, but it was a really cheap blade (under $45).