Which blade?

[Extinction]

Should I get a fast carbon blade with like a viscaria or Primorac carbon and get a H3N which is pretty slow.

Or should I get a OFF- All Wood (or carbon?) like a Primorac OFF- and pair it with faster rubbers like D09C.

I fear my 3+2 hinoki blade was much too hard to control as my counter spin strokes are not forgiving and many go either into the net or off the table.

Now I know the is probably a skill issue but even when I try to hit hard I don’t even get much speed.

I used Xiom Vega Europe pro in the past which was a nightmare for my FH likely because I don’t like soft bouncy rubbers and I didn’t feel any grip on it. I am now on H3N (orange sponge) which is supposed to be good on the blocks I can’t really control them. Even though recent hurricanes haven’t been too tacky I like the grip it has

My game focuses on opening on my forehand with strong spin and then finishing the rally when they return. But with my unboosted H3N I can’t get enough speed (I don’t want to boost).

I’m leaning towards a primorac and a faster rubber

 

[Tyce]

H3N good on blocks is not something I'd say. You have to block actively and add some motion to control the ball well.

Counterspin is quite an advanced skill.

If you don't want to boost, H3N is not a sensible choice.

Also, this is the third topic on the same thing now? I'm losing track of what part of the conversation is where.

Bottom line still the same:

If this blade is hard to control, don't get a faster one.
If that's not the issue, try describing it more detailed.
H3 is fine on almost every blade, unboosted H3N is tough to work with even on a fast blade.

You're leaning towards primorac and faster rubber... Why? Which primorac? You didn't like Vega Pro, what faster rubber would you have in mind? And why do you think that will be a better choice?

The information you're providing is too little, and frankly confusing and contradicting. That could just be because you have mixed up some things, but it could also be that your expectations are simply incorrect.

Give us some serious information if you want serious help.

https://www.customtabletennis.co.uk...nis-premium-hinoki-carbon-table-tennis-blade/

This is not a slow blade.

 

[Extinction]

Give us some serious information if you want serious help.

I want a blade that will pair well with a grippy rubber that isn’t too fast.

I didn’t like vega Europe DF not Vega pro. My mistake.

I’m leaning towards primorac because it is slower and more easier to control than my current blade. It’s not just primorac, I don’t mind a carbon blade BUT I don’t want it too fast. To balance this out I want a faster rubber. this decision is because I believe that this can be a forgiving setup that can give me the spin and speed I want.

Rubbers I have in mind are the Fastarc G-1 and Dignics 09C or maybe a Rakza Z. I think these are good because they are supposedly spinny and have good grip. Dignics is good but it comes with extra catapult which will be a little more difficult to control.


Why do I not like my current blade? It is true that it is not a slow blade, but I can’t anctivate its speed. This is because it is very bouncy and I want more dwell time. I want an easier to play blade. Now im not saying I'm horrible at the game, I am good, counterspinning is a part of my game where I am bad at, a new rubber and blade is NOT going to magically fix this.

But I believe getting a blade and rubber that suits what I want will be more beneficial and I will learn quicker. I ask so many questions because I’m hesitant to get a combination that ‘too advanced for me’. This is why you see me posting so much about the same thing. I’m looking for many answers. I’m young and not made of money, I need this setup to last.

Main goals: need to have consistent drives, good spin and fast open ups, and the ability to finish rally when need be.

Weaknesses: my footwork (can’t get enough power on hurricane because of poor footwork, bouncier rubber = less effort which compromises for lack of footwork), pushes, serve returns.

Not sure if you wanted that but you wanted the specifics so..

Im sorry for any stupidity I have said, just correct me please.

 

[NetProphet]

Should I get a fast carbon blade with like a viscaria or Primorac carbon and get a H3N which is pretty slow.

Or should I get a OFF- All Wood (or carbon?) like a Primorac OFF- and pair it with faster rubbers like D09C.

I fear my 3+2 hinoki blade was much too hard to control as my counter spin strokes are not forgiving and many go either into the net or off the table.

Now I know the is probably a skill issue but even when I try to hit hard I don’t even get much speed.

I used Xiom Vega Europe pro in the past which was a nightmare for my FH likely because I don’t like soft bouncy rubbers and I didn’t feel any grip on it. I am now on H3N (orange sponge) which is supposed to be good on the blocks I can’t really control them. Even though recent hurricanes haven’t been too tacky I like the grip it has

My game focuses on opening on my forehand with strong spin and then finishing the rally when they return. But with my unboosted H3N I can’t get enough speed (I don’t want to boost).

I’m leaning towards a primorac and a faster rubber

H3N isn't going to work for your game if you don't boost so in that regard I can see why you need a different FH rubber.
As for Hinoki, either live it and live it (because it's a special thing all on its own) or step to a regular blade with more regular properties.
What that will be really depends on your current skill set and what your devel strategy is over the next year or so.
Assum your middle of the road like most of us and want a blade you can grow with and won't have to change then yeah, a carbon blade or Innerforce ALC is a good direction to go in.
Given you don't like soft bouncy rubber for FH then a D09c on an Innerforce ALC maybe interesting?
Hard to advise anyone without knowing their level or seeing them play.
Do you have a coach or have you tried and other setups at your club that seemed interesting?

 

[Extinction]

Given you don't like soft bouncy rubber for FH then a D09c on an Innerforce ALC maybe interesting?

Just wondering, why not a ZLC blade, on the D09C what would be the difference with an ALC vs ZLC

 

[NetProphet]

Just wondering, why not a ZLC blade, on the D09C what would be the difference with an ALC vs ZLC

ZLC may well be a good choice for you it's just that I've never tried ZLC and know very little about them tbh so I'm unable to offer any useful comment there.

I just mentioned the Inner ALC as I recently switched to one and can compare it directly V ALC and fast all wood blade like Nittaku Acoustic and also Ma Lin EO.

 

[Extinction]

I just mentioned the Inner ALC as I recently switched to one and can compare it directly V ALC and fast all wood blade like Nittaku Acoustic and also Ma Lin EO.

can you comment on some of the differences that you noticed between Inner ALC and a fast all wood blade because I see people mentioning all wood blades are good for more developing players as they give more feedback.

 

[Tembel]

Some of the best players in my club, playing in high league divisions in Sweden play with all wood blades. I.e:

• Stiga Clipper Wood
• Stiga Cybershape Wood
• Butterfly Petr Korbel
• Yassaka Sweden Extra

To me the difference compared with inner carbon blades is not that big. Maybe a bit more flex in the all wood blades and the feel when you hit a bit harder is a little different. All wood is definitely not only for developing players.

 

[ML fan]

I want a blade that will pair well with a grippy rubber that isn’t too fast.

I didn’t like vega Europe DF not Vega pro. My mistake.

I’m leaning towards primorac because it is slower and more easier to control than my current blade. It’s not just primorac, I don’t mind a carbon blade BUT I don’t want it too fast. To balance this out I want a faster rubber. this decision is because I believe that this can be a forgiving setup that can give me the spin and speed I want.

Rubbers I have in mind are the Fastarc G-1 and Dignics 09C or maybe a Rakza Z. I think these are good because they are supposedly spinny and have good grip. Dignics is good but it comes with extra catapult which will be a little more difficult to control.


Why do I not like my current blade? It is true that it is not a slow blade, but I can’t anctivate its speed. This is because it is very bouncy and I want more dwell time. I want an easier to play blade. Now im not saying I'm horrible at the game, I am good, counterspinning is a part of my game where I am bad at, a new rubber and blade is NOT going to magically fix this.

But I believe getting a blade and rubber that suits what I want will be more beneficial and I will learn quicker. I ask so many questions because I’m hesitant to get a combination that ‘too advanced for me’. This is why you see me posting so much about the same thing. I’m looking for many answers. I’m young and not made of money, I need this setup to last.

Main goals: need to have consistent drives, good spin and fast open ups, and the ability to finish rally when need be.

Weaknesses: my footwork (can’t get enough power on hurricane because of poor footwork, bouncier rubber = less effort which compromises for lack of footwork), pushes, serve returns.

Not sure if you wanted that but you wanted the specifics so..

Im sorry for any stupidity I have said, just correct me please.

Based on what you said, you want to loop heavy spin and finish the point.. primorac carbon is fast and stiff based on ttgearlab's numbers. Pairing it with unboosted h3 in my experience is, I cant feel the dwell time. So its difficult to produce massive spin. Boosting it will make it soft and you will feel the dwell a little compare to nonboosted in my opinion. However, using bouncier because of footwork weakness is a disaster. Bouncier means when your opponent blocks, the faster you need to recover means you need faster footwork too.
Maybe you need to try 5 or 7 ply allwood blade with good feeling or vibration while training your footwork and perfecting your basic strokes. So that you will have a feel if you hit and brush the ball correctly. So that if you change to carbon.or.alc you already know.the.feel.and will implement proper stroke.

 

[Extinction]

Maybe you need to try 5 or 7 ply allwood blade with good feeling or vibration while training your footwork and perfecting your basic strokes. So that you will have a feel if you hit and brush the ball correctly. So that if you change to carbon.or.alc you already know.the.feel.and will implement proper stroke.

which blades do you have in mind?

I am a bit hesitant on that one because that would just make my shots slow and it’s not like I can’t learn strokes with carbon or ALC.

I am a fast learner who also wants to improve fast, so would I still be able to produce high quality shots with these blades?

I have never used an allwood blade, surprisingly, and I don’t know how I would adapt. Are allwood blades harder to use compared to carbon ones, or does it just depend on what blade I get.

 

[riemsesy]

I have never used an allwood blade, surprisingly, and I don’t know how I would adapt. Are allwood blades harder to use compared to carbon ones, or does it just depend on what blade I get.

it's mostly the other way around.. carbon is harder to use. your skills have to be developed.
normally someone progresses like.. maybe I want to play tt and buy a premade bat.. hey I like table tennis!
next buy an all wood all+ blade with normal rubbers like Xiom Vega Intro /Europe or Rakza 7
then after playing with that for a while (one or two years) buy a carbon blade and maybe same rubbers or faster rubbers, or chinese rubbers.

 

[ML fan]

which blades do you have in mind?

I am a bit hesitant on that one because that would just make my shots slow and it’s not like I can’t learn strokes with carbon or ALC.

I am a fast learner who also wants to improve fast, so would I still be able to produce high quality shots with these blades?

I have never used an allwood blade, surprisingly, and I don’t know how I would adapt. Are allwood blades harder to use compared to carbon ones, or does it just depend on what blade I get.

Actually, I have used allwood blades and love the feeling. Especially 1 ply hinoki. I can have massive spin with it compared to alc or carbon blade. But time came that I feel that my strokes are overly using my strength and i feel tired because of I am trying hard to give powerful shots. And because of it,.I cant recover for the next shots. I decided to switch to fzd alc because of what the reviews says, more flex than viscaria, little slow,.so control yet so powerful.

If you have a coach and training,.i think it's okay. Or maybe try to borrow first from your clubmates, try their 5 ply, 7 ply, and alc..
The strength of all wood is the short game and spinny shots, control.
And the vis, balance of speed,.spin and control..

 

[ML fan]

The good thing about all wood is, there are some with good feedback,.or vibration.since most of the time,.you cannot see yourself performing strokes, or no available mirror in tt court,
.you will know.if.you.are hitting correctly or not. If you feel the vibration when you hit.correctly,.your mind will know if your are hitting correctly or not based on the vibration. When the ball hit your allwood blade, you will already know if your shots will go to the other end of table or not based on the vibration only.. my opinion only based on my experience.

Some tried to use allwood on training, maybe to know and feel the feedback. And when theyre good,.will use their alc.again..cause most alc will only have less feedback. Seems like, your on your own.. no feeling if you have the correct stroke or not, This is the reason why you need the allwood.

 

[Extinction]

This is the reason why you need the allwood.

Would Primorac OFF- be a good option? Or Petr Korbel?

 

[NetProphet]

can you comment on some of the differences that you noticed between Inner ALC and a fast all wood blade because I see people mentioning all wood blades are good for more developing players as they give more feedback.

I've played with Ma Lin EO, Nittaku Acoustic and now have an Innerforce ALC.

I wouldn't be the greatest at articulating the differing characteristics between blades but I can say that I really like the MLEO and Innerforce ALC but couldn't make the Acoustic work for me, I just found it a bit too fast.

The Innerforce in many ways plays like a wooden blade (with a softness and feel) and I find it easier to play with than the Nittaku Acoustic.
I'd compare it to the Ma Lin EO for much of its output and it's only when you really open up to properly activate a hard Dignics sponge that you can notice the speed from the carbon.
I have 09c on the MLEO also and there is a difference when you go at it!
Again, not dissimilar to the speed from Nittaku Acoustic but because of the gears it's easier for me to play at slower speeds and touch shots.

Passive blocks are softer, active blocks are great. There's none of the speed you don't need, until you need it.
So, easier short game for me with Innerforce ALC and power at top end when wanted.

Acoustic, I found hard to master at slower speeds and for placement and touch shots.
But don't overthink it.
If you're thinking Primorac or Korbel they are great blades and will do a a great job for you while developing. The made in Japan ones are said to be of higher quality in case that matters to you...

I got the Innerforce ALC out of curiosity more than anything (same for the Acoustic) and I can honestly say that I would have been absolutely fine for another while with the MLEO. But I'm done now, no more blade swapping for me!!!

I would usually recommend a Korbel or similar with Rakza 7 or similar ESN Tensor rubber for a year or two to any developing player. It's a great combo. Many 'upgrade' to carbon after this for more power with the 40+ ball

Others say get carbon early if you want and get used to it and grow with it and then you don't need to change blade in a few yrs. This is perfectly fine too although it may or may not be trickier at first depending on your ability and what blade you choose.
If you have a coach it's a good idea to ask them.
Otherwise just make a sensible decision that fits how you plan your development strategy for the coming months and years and you will be fine 👍🙂

 

[ML fan]

Would Primorac OFF- be a good option? Or Petr Korbel?

Korbel is faster than primorac wood. Yes. Its beyter to consult your coach. But its better also that you have tried it yourself, so that you will know what blade you want, you can control in your level and you can put more balls on the table.

 

[ML fan]

Korbel is faster than primorac wood. Yes. Its beyter to consult your coach. But its better also that you have tried it yourself, so that you will know what blade you want, you can control in your level and you can put more balls on the table.

What do you really want in your blade?

 

[ML fan]

List all the things that you want your blade to be. Crisp or soft, large handle or thin, control or speed?