Why are dignics09C considered not suitable for beginners/intermediate players ?

[NetProphet]

40€ For a 4month old D09C is a robbery. Used rubbers quality is so much worse. It's basically dead after 4 month imo. Not recommended for beginners because its too hard. A common misconception of a controlled rubber is being slow, they aren't equivalent. D09C has many gears, it isn't as bouncy as T05, that doesnt mean that it is forgiving. It is still a very unforgiving rubber if your technique isn't that good. Many players don't want to say to themselves "my technique actually isn't that good" so they buy rubbers like this, and protect their ego . For example H3 unboosted is a slow rubber, but also unforgiving. Rozena is a soft rubber with forgiveness.

€40 for an 09c and a D05 so that's €20 each.
I'd call that a steal as a way of trying those rubbers out on your own blade without having to pay the full €160 for them!
Very good idea and about the right price for me 👌

 

[Tyce]

I find D09c very unforgiving and FH shots relatively lacking in spin if I play anything that resembles a passive shot.
Slow loops I get but I don't know what you mean when you say hooks or big swings.
My experience of 09c when swinging quickly is that it's plenty likely to go long when not used with proper technique, it's just less spin sensitive than T05.
It seems to me what you are describing is playing a hard rubber without really trying to engage the sponge at all.
I don't know your level or how much spin you're actually getting on the ball but I have to assume it is less than you would with a softer rubber because that's just how D09c is, especially with a relatively slow all wood blade.
Or putting it another way.
Not being able to control T05 I get.
But not being able to control G1 on an allwood blade, I do not get.
It seems to me that you've fixed this lack of control not through training or by fixing technique, but by investing €80 in a rubber so hard that it plays slow for you.
All of this is fine, I'm not judging your game or looking down.
I only say all this because, linking to the original question, I don't think that is a good pathway for beginners.

Heheh luckily I haven't invested a single penny but just tried other people's bats, one very shortly but the other for quite a bit while he played with my bat.
G1 is my match FH rubber and I can control it quite OK. I just feel like D09c is easier in most scenarios other than getting some free speed when you don't have enough time for a proper stroke. However, I don't always want that free speed, sometimes I would rather have a rubber back down when I back down.

Anyway, we're in nitpicking territory here. G1 works well once you get a feel of the boundaries for passive, brushing and full engagement (in which it's a bit different from most non tacky options) and D09c can be used quite well for a beginner to provide a sensible input v output ratio.
I don't think the sponge is too hard to engage especially if one already has a tendency to swing big. I know I do.

Funny bit, I have a backup for my main bat which I use Hurricane 3 on. Some sessions I play with that most of the time, and switching back to G1 at the end everything is so easy to engage and spin.

 

[NewGuyHere]

I am a pretty beginner level player with a controlled setup ALL+ blade with Fastarc G-1 and C-1 rubber.

Today, I played with my friend's Viscaria and Tenergy 05 setup and my game immediately improved! It's effortless to block and generate spin and hit smashes.

I am really confused now.

 

[Lazer]

I am a pretty beginner level player with a controlled setup ALL+ blade with Fastarc G-1 and C-1 rubber.

Today, I played with my friend's Viscaria and Tenergy 05 setup and my game immediately improved! It's effortless to block and generate spin and hit smashes.

I am really confused now.

Just wait until You get into a slow pushing situation....

Cheers
L-zr

 

[kapahoo]

I am a pretty beginner level player with a controlled setup ALL+ blade with Fastarc G-1 and C-1 rubber.

Today, I played with my friend's Viscaria and Tenergy 05 setup and my game immediately improved! It's effortless to block and generate spin and hit smashes.

I am really confused now.

Usually all the active swings and the "fun" game is what you describe. But when it comes to matchplay the short game, the service recievie and all those balls you have to just put on the table because you are slightly out of position are a bit harder to manage.

 

[longle]

I am a pretty beginner level player with a controlled setup ALL+ blade with Fastarc G-1 and C-1 rubber.

Today, I played with my friend's Viscaria and Tenergy 05 setup and my game immediately improved! It's effortless to block and generate spin and hit smashes.

I am really confused now.

everyone's blades feels better than your own.. you have to take that blade to play some serious tournaments. Only then you will know.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

D09c when in stroke drill you don't really notice it.

But in actual match play; you are half a step too late, oops, ball will not go over.

Ball too short or half long; oops, you over extend a loop and ball goes over long.

These d09c idiosyncrasies will show up a lot during match play and not during stroking drill.

 

[NewGuyHere]

Just wait until You get into a slow pushing situation....

Cheers
L-zr

T05 is quite bouncy and easily goes over the net.

 

[MORTtheORT]

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Hello,

I've heard/read many people recommend tacky rubbers like NH3 to new players. I think it makes sense, tacky rubbers are slower and very hard so even though they're slow and controllable, they can have many gears and play fast with a proper technique.
But then, wouldn't dignics09C be a very good option as well for developing players? They aren't too fast and have the same properties as tacky rubbers.

I would consider myself a slightly advanced player (i have 1500 points in the french league, I found somewhere that it's like 2000usatt but i don't know if it's accurate), I'm playing with T05 on the forehand and I was wondering if playing with dignics09C could help me perfecting my forehand technique, whilst being better for short game and serves.
T05 is probably better for me at the moment because of how easy it is to spin the ball even out of position, but if I play with D09c for a few months and force myself to use full forehand strokes, I guess it'd make me improve?

Am I missing something? Is it really that difficult to get qualities from this rubber if you're not a semi pro / pro player ?

(Before someone asks me, I don't wanna play with hurricane because i don't like boosting)

A big difference is that the H3 is actually Tacky while the 09C is more grip based with a very very slight tack when it is new (Suspiciously like the adhesive cover is what gave it any small big of tack). Personally, I don't view it as a tacky rubber and think this is more market talk. The D09C also needs very high racket speed which is not common for people just starting out in the game. But hey, some rubbers just click for people when they don't for others....a young modern Tennis player is going to have the required power and racket speed so might work for some.

 

[MORTtheORT]

D09c when in stroke drill you don't really notice it.

But in actual match play; you are half a step too late, oops, ball will not go over.

Ball too short or half long; oops, you over extend a loop and ball goes over long.

These d09c idiosyncrasies will show up a lot during match play and not during stroking drill.

Everyone is a world champion warming up with the D09C

 

[MORTtheORT]

D09C is a particular rubber, for particular people (try it)

Good advice. Not all rubber experience is the same for every person.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Good advice. Not all rubber experience is the same for every person.

Not a good experience for people coming from the MXP route.

 

[Lazer]

T05 is quite bouncy and easily goes over the net.

Exactly, and don't forget about the sensitivity to spin. This takes serve receive to a whole new level of difficulty...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Double_Trouble]

Not much experience with Dignics but those few times I played with it it does require that you are quite fit, so to speak. Same case is with Hurricanes of all sorts. I prefer harder rubbers but it is not for everyone.
When I restarted this hobby after many years, I played with Rozena. For me spin generating was a nightmare and control was an issue with Rozena on stronger shots. Short game was actually quite good but still all in all never again. I do acknowledge that many will find Rozena excellent. So I glued Factive and did not look back for many months. Excellent for start (and beyond) in my view. I don’t know how Factive is not more popular.

But as said prefer harder and sticky so Glayzer 09c it is and it is for me perfect. I can stay with Glayzer forever.
They say it is 80-85% of D09c but I can not say. For me it is sufficient and suits my age and conditioning.

If you feel good with Dignics and see your game benefiting, why not. We are all different and whatever works keep it. I feel many beginners would struggle with Dignics or Tenergy but still it is not written in stone and certainly there are exceptions.

 

[merlin el mago]

When you are learning you have to feel how ball penetrates sponge to made topspin, the sensation to made topspin arc to control the ball goes to table and where to place the ball.

Sticky topsheet with hard sponge isn't the best way to learn.

Also Chinese boosted rubbers isn't for beginners because the rubber not always have the same hardness & also variations using more or less booster or different boosters.

To learn people need and all round 5 plies all wood blade and a couple of grippy inverted not fast rubbers not hard not soft, the combo will allow him to know & to play all kind of strokes table tennis requires.

 

[sebi]

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A big difference is that the H3 is actually Tacky while the 09C is more grip based with a very very slight tack when it is new (Suspiciously like the adhesive cover is what gave it any small big of tack). Personally, I don't view it as a tacky rubber and think this is more market talk. The D09C also needs very high racket speed which is not common for people just starting out in the game. But hey, some rubbers just click for people when they don't for others....a young modern Tennis player is going to have the required power and racket speed so might work for some.

My D09c was still tacky/sticky after half a year. I could still easily lift up a ball.

D09c is not for beginners because it has a lot of catapult if you engage it perfectly. So first its a pretty slow rubber and then all of sudden its super super fast. And most beginners/intermediate players don't know when this happens or don't have the proper technique to k own what to do when it happens.
Also it has a very high arc and you have to play a lot more forward which promotes a very closed bat angle.
Closed bat angle=more difficult to play with=not intermediate friendly.
It also is very spin sensitive to fast balls. So fast serves are harder to control.

 

[Lazer]

Not much experience with Dignics but those few times I played with it it does require that you are quite fit, so to speak.

This is something I totally disagree with. I am old and unfit and still playing with H3 (or Dignics if I wasn't so anti BF).
Not more problems than with any other rubber. Its really all about technique.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[MORTtheORT]

My D09c was still tacky/sticky after half a year. I could still easily lift up a ball.

D09c is not for beginners because it has a lot of catapult if you engage it perfectly. So first its a pretty slow rubber and then all of sudden its super super fast. And most beginners/intermediate players don't know when this happens or don't have the proper technique to k own what to do when it happens.
Also it has a very high arc and you have to play a lot more forward which promotes a very closed bat angle.
Closed bat angle=more difficult to play with=not intermediate friendly.
It also is very spin sensitive to fast balls. So fast serves are harder to control.

Really! I have never had a true tacky D09C and I am on my 4th and have people playing with it around me and they are the same. My H3s on the other hand, very tacky, walk around the room with the ball level.

I still think when used correctly the D09C is the fastest rubber I have ever used. I am trying the T05 at the moment, good rubber but still does not have that power that the D09C has when you nail it.

 

[victormanriquey]

However, I found that by using harder rubbers like H3N on my FH and 09c on my BH (now I use 8-80), although I lost plenty of matches in the beginning, it forced me to have good technique and it saved me the hassle of having to change the type of rubber I use for the future. I also think that having a soft rubbers, while it helps to get speed, it forgives lazy technique which I really don’t like and I also think soft rubbers are harder to use in the short game. All of this is subjective, but that’s my opinion

Fully agree to this, this is exactly my own experience and preference too

 

[merlin el mago]

Really! I have never had a true tacky D09C and I am on my 4th and have people playing with it around me and they are the same. My H3s on the other hand, very tacky, walk around the room with the ball level.

I still think when used correctly the D09C is the fastest rubber I have ever used. I am trying the T05 at the moment, good rubber but still does not have that power that the D09C has when you nail it.

Try Zyre 03 and see what's real power!!!