Matching rubbers to blades

[Tompa8888]

I bought HH3 only because i found it at very special great price, so i didn't want to waste it away, almost nearly 40% discount, WOW, with many discounts on rubbers and blades i am able to buy dozens.

So it sounds that Donic rubbers are highly recommended, maybe i will give it a try, but which rubber, the current one such as M1/Turbo/JP03 or the new versions such as P1/P2/P3/F1?

Go for M1 Turbo!! try it on a Boll Spirit!!! I haven't tried the JP 01 Turbo yet but i think that would be great too!

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10206-The-bsest-looping-and-attacking-rubber-!

I just read about the new rubbers. The P1 seems awesome!! I might go for that one next time!

 

[Rajah*]

However, there seems a sense of desperation and addiction, in the argumentative way you ask these questions almost as though you are searching for the Excalibur of rackets, or Lord Voldemort's unbeatable wand (alternately called the death stick, the wand of destiny and the elder wand) and there is only one correct answer.

There is no real such thing as the magic setup and, at the same time, there are many of them.

And the most complicated thing about this is that, as your skills develop, you will feel different things from the same setup because your touch, feel and control, your contact, how you let the ball sink into the sponge, how you use the topsheet, will all change.

But a good player can play with anything.

I have seen good players play with a shoe, a block of wood, a frying pan, a cell phone, a rock, a lollipop, and still play pretty well. Not the level they can play with their main weapon. But, because their technique is so solid, they can play with anything and play at a decently high level.


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You see table tennis is about perfection and mastery of skills. We keep advicing people to train more practice more.. burn yourself thru multi ball training and put it into a match game with diffrent style diffrent people ..with whatever descent equipment they have coz table tennis is all about skills, proper teaching and acquiring treasured information is not enough unless you insert it into your game. You need to explore the boundaries and limits of your abilities in executing skills and then.. only then you will trully appreciate the beauty of this sport.

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[Kaizoku]

I bought HH3 only because i found it at very special great price, so i didn't want to waste it away, almost nearly 40% discount, WOW, with many discounts on rubbers and blades i am able to buy dozens.

So it sounds that Donic rubbers are highly recommended, maybe i will give it a try, but which rubber, the current one such as M1/Turbo/JP03 or the new versions such as P1/P2/P3/F1?

I think P1 is spikes? Aka pimples out? Lolz.
Well, I recomended the fastest in each respective series. Jp-01-turbo probably have the most spin of the three and a bit more forgiving/stable to use than the M1-turbo, the M1-turbo still has great spin and is also a bit faster, and has a bit harder sponge. The Acuda S1-Turbo Is again a litle faster than M1, but A bit less spin and I think it has a diferent feel and characteristics since it's from another series. Do some research if you'd like [emoji14]
Edit* My bad, turns out P1 etc. Is Acuda Blue (too) o.o they seem great but don't know much about them.
A couple nice links here:
http://www.donic.cdbs.de/en/material.html
http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&p=293309

 

[TareqPhoto]

Go for M1 Turbo!! try it on a Boll Spirit!!! I haven't tried the JP 01 Turbo yet but i think that would be great too!

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10206-The-bsest-looping-and-attacking-rubber-!

I just read about the new rubbers. The P1 seems awesome!! I might go for that one next time!

I don't have Boll Spirit blade and not planning too, i tested this blade in the past the first time ever i joined the club and from the first day i didn't like the blade regardless of the rubbers on it, 2 TBS blades with different rubbers and both i didn't like to play with or say i couldn't control or even have one good shot unless it is very easy high for me to smash, so, no thanks for the blade.

More recommendations about M1 Turbo will lead me to get this rubber i think, it sounds this rubber is good on many blades already, maybe i should give it a try then and i don't think you or many others will like it for no reason.

And while i decide on M1Turbo i can always watch those new Donic Acuda rubbers, who knows, i hope they can be an improvement over Acuda S series and even can be better than M series or JP series, we can always wait to see.

 

[TareqPhoto]

Finally i bought 4 rubbers to use with 2 blades i have, but as always, not sure which those rubbers on which of 2 blades, if you were in my place, what would be your decision?

The 2 blades are:

1. Butterfly Jun Mizutani [the first blade i have, i let the previous rubbers go to someone wanted, and he gave me his rubbers which i don't want to use]

2. Yinhe/Galaxy T-11+


And the 4 rubbers i bought to use on those 2 above blades are:

A. Tibhar MX-P [red], so it will be on BH
B. Andro Rasant PowerGrip [black], FH
C. Tibhar 1Q XD [black], FH, and i chose it for speed only and to be paired with MX-P on one blade rather than PowerGrip, but if you have another opinion i am open for it
D. Tibhar Aurus [red], BH, as above C point, was thinking to pair this rubber with PowerGrip on one blade, but i can change if another suggestions are there

So, with above rubbers and 2 mentioned blades, which pair will you go with if you have the same above items?

 

[Wheelie]

I know what you're doing wrong... you are using Red on your BH, If you put Red on your FH it will all become clear to you and you will not have to consult this fountain of knowledge any longer.

 

[TareqPhoto]

I know what you're doing wrong... you are using Red on your BH, If you put Red on your FH it will all become clear to you and you will not have to consult this fountain of knowledge any longer.

What do you mean?

 

[Cornel]

Finally i bought 4 rubbers to use with 2 blades i have, but as always, not sure which those rubbers on which of 2 blades, if you were in my place, what would be your decision?

The 2 blades are:

1. Butterfly Jun Mizutani [the first blade i have, i let the previous rubbers go to someone wanted, and he gave me his rubbers which i don't want to use]

2. Yinhe/Galaxy T-11+


And the 4 rubbers i bought to use on those 2 above blades are:

A. Tibhar MX-P [red], so it will be on BH
B. Andro Rasant PowerGrip [black], FH
C. Tibhar 1Q XD [black], FH, and i chose it for speed only and to be paired with MX-P on one blade rather than PowerGrip, but if you have another opinion i am open for it
D. Tibhar Aurus [red], BH, as above C point, was thinking to pair this rubber with PowerGrip on one blade, but i can change if another suggestions are there

So, with above rubbers and 2 mentioned blades, which pair will you go with if you have the same above items?

I think you need to put the softest rubbers you have on the T-11+. This blade is rock-stiff. Almost zero dwell time.

 

[TareqPhoto]

I think you need to put the softest rubbers you have on the T-11+. This blade is rock-stiff. Almost zero dwell time.

Well, i want it to be that so fast, very fast, not planing to make it for control not even little, i bought it for speed and only speed, i have many blades and rubbers for control and dwell time already, so i will keep one racket for say 100% speed if possible.

Also i didn't mention it above, all those 4 rubbers i bought are with 1.7-1.8mm thickness, soft or not doesn't matter, it is fast if it is not thick max or at least 2.0mm, i have many many rubbers with max thickness and most of them of soft and controllable, so didn't want to just buy more of soft slower or max thickness, i wanted to have a rocket racket in fact at last one, even my DHS HH3 with Tenergy 05/05FX wasn't that fast i was looking for, it is just amazing fast with control but not blazing fast same as another racket i tested, hope this T-11+ with one of those rubbers will give me that fast speed that i can't even follow.

And if i follow your recommendation, so out of those 4 rubbers i mentioned, which one are the softest to use with T-11+?

 

[Cornel]

From the rubbers you have, I tried only MX-P and Rasant PowerGrip, and it was some time ago, so I cannot compare them. As for your speed expectations, I am not sure that T-11+ will be a rocket. Yes, it is rated as OFF+, but we shouldn't forget that it's weight is only 70g. As for the thickness of your rubbers, MAX ones should be the fastest ones. I just hope I am wrong and you will get your rocket.

 

[TareqPhoto]

From the rubbers you have, I tried only MX-P and Rasant PowerGrip, and it was some time ago, so I cannot compare them. As for your speed expectations, I am not sure that T-11+ will be a rocket. Yes, it is rated as OFF+, but we shouldn't forget that it's weight is only 70g. As for the thickness of your rubbers, MAX ones should be the fastest ones. I just hope I am wrong and you will get your rocket.

You said the Max thickness should be the fastest and the coach here said the minimum thickness or thinner is fastest, and if i look at both statement then i agree with the coach, more thickness should absorb the speed more than less thickness sponge, but if it is something different or physics then i have to correct the coach too if you can explain it for me.

 

[Amayzde]

I think Hurricane Hao III will work great with Rakza 7 (soft)

 

[Cornel]

You said the Max thickness should be the fastest and the coach here said the minimum thickness or thinner is fastest, and if i look at both statement then i agree with the coach, more thickness should absorb the speed more than less thickness sponge, but if it is something different or physics then i have to correct the coach too if you can explain it for me.

Original info from Megaspin.net :

"How does the sponge thickness affect performance? If it affects speed, why are rubbers sheets given one speed rating irrespective of the chosen thickness?
The quick and easy rule is that thicker sponges (2.0mm or more) results in more offensive play. 1.9mm to 1.5mm is used by more 'control' or all around players while smaller numbers is common for short and long pipped rubbers.
When you swing at a ball and make contact, the sponge catches the ball and slows it down. As the ball keeps moving into into the sponge and hits the wood underneath, the sponge helps kick the ball back out.
While the whole above process of catching and throwing the ball, the sponge allows the rubber topsheet to put friction on the ball, adding larger amounts of spin than could be achieved without the sponge.
When looking at the speed and spin ratings of different rubbers, you may notice that they don't break them down by different sponge thicknesses. This is because the effect of the sponge changes depending on how you hit and play. For example, if you take a soft swing, the sponge would slow the ball down (by absorbing the impact), but a hard loop will speed up your shot (by allow you to take bigger swings.
Some rubbers are labeled by thickness (in millimeters) such as 1.9 or 2.0, while others are labeled as MAX, MX, or Maximum. ITTF rules state that the maximum of the sponge and topsheet cannot be greater than 4.00mm. There is no hard rule to how thick the rubber topsheet is (1.4mm to 1.7mm are common thicknesses for topsheets), so sponges labeled as Maximum are produced by the manufacturer to be as thick as they can while still staying under 4.00mm, usually they include a large enough margin of error to counteract the thickness of the glue used to attach the rubber to the blade."

 

[TareqPhoto]

I think Hurricane Hao III will work great with Rakza 7 (soft)

Well, i didn't ask about Hurricane Hao III, i already have rubbers on it and happy with it, i was asking about 2 blades i mentioned earlier 2-3 post ago, thanks anyway.

Original info from Megaspin.net :

"How does the sponge thickness affect performance? If it affects speed, why are rubbers sheets given one speed rating irrespective of the chosen thickness?
The quick and easy rule is that thicker sponges (2.0mm or more) results in more offensive play. 1.9mm to 1.5mm is used by more 'control' or all around players while smaller numbers is common for short and long pipped rubbers.
When you swing at a ball and make contact, the sponge catches the ball and slows it down. As the ball keeps moving into into the sponge and hits the wood underneath, the sponge helps kick the ball back out.
While the whole above process of catching and throwing the ball, the sponge allows the rubber topsheet to put friction on the ball, adding larger amounts of spin than could be achieved without the sponge.
When looking at the speed and spin ratings of different rubbers, you may notice that they don't break them down by different sponge thicknesses. This is because the effect of the sponge changes depending on how you hit and play. For example, if you take a soft swing, the sponge would slow the ball down (by absorbing the impact), but a hard loop will speed up your shot (by allow you to take bigger swings.
Some rubbers are labeled by thickness (in millimeters) such as 1.9 or 2.0, while others are labeled as MAX, MX, or Maximum. ITTF rules state that the maximum of the sponge and topsheet cannot be greater than 4.00mm. There is no hard rule to how thick the rubber topsheet is (1.4mm to 1.7mm are common thicknesses for topsheets), so sponges labeled as Maximum are produced by the manufacturer to be as thick as they can while still staying under 4.00mm, usually they include a large enough margin of error to counteract the thickness of the glue used to attach the rubber to the blade."

So it is something about the thickness of the sponge or hardness of the topsheet and the way you hit the ball, honestly, i couldn't get the conclusion yet, because i still think if i talk about the thickness of the sponge, the thinner it is the faster the ball should be without putting the hardness of topsheet and the power of hitting the ball.

 

[TareqPhoto]

Today i will go to the club, and i think i will ask the coach to assemble that T-11+ only, Jun Mizutani is later because it still has that glue residues, and i want to remove that so i can re-glue with new rubbers.

 

[TareqPhoto]

Ok, finally i assembled the blade T-11+ by my friend the coach, i decided to choose Evo MX-P for BH and Tibhar 1Q-XD for FH, wasn't bad after all, good for close to table and blocking and pushing, it is not for looping as i didn't buy it for loop or mid-far distance from table, the coach didn't like the feeling of this blade, but he has his own feeling and preferences.

Next time i will glue that Andro PowerGrip and Aurus to Jun Mizutani and see how it will be, but someone there who is playing great and high level just advised me to buy or go with only rubbers and forget about all other rubbers, he tested and bought too many and he found his combo, and wanted me to do the same as he feel i will do the same mistake of him and wasting more money, although my wasting money wasn't for finding the right perfect combo after all.