Ludeack or Acoustic Carbon for SP BH?

[Paccheco]

Hello there again

As i posted earlier i got a Short pips setup, Ludeack with RakzaPO and Rakza 9. But now has surged an oportunity to acquire an acoustic carbon.

My main question is : How does both blades compares? Is Ludeack easier to control/learn? Or just the same as AC? In a long term, which one offers the best experience for Short Pips BH?

I couldnt find any precise information about short pips on both blades. Even overall thoughts about these blades were difficult to find.

Grateful,
Raul Pacheco.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

If you can afford it and are getting a good deal, there is nothing wrong with having two blades. Then, as you are playing with them, you can decide which one you like better. Other people's opinions don't really matter as much as what works better in your hands.

One thing to know is that the Acoustic Carbon is rated as being faster than the Ludeak which means it is most likely going to be harder to control even though it says it is also rated higher in control than Ludeak. Those things are rarely true that a blade is faster and easier to control.

If money is an issue and you already like what you have, there is no reason for adding an unknown variable. However, if the money is not a factor. Go for it and tell us which one you like better. That is supposed to be a darn good blade. But it also is a carbon blade. So if you like the extra feel from all wood blades that is the unknown variable for you which only you can answer: Will you like a carbon blade?

 

[Giangt]

I do not have any experience with the blades nor SP. an question that should be raised is what are you expecting of the Acoustic Carbon?
Some of the Pro's like Mima Ito and Ai Fukuhara both have used and one is still using the normal Acoustic. Both had superb control during fast rallies and I suppose u want to use the SP super driving shots?

 

[Paccheco]

At moment money isnt an issue, i will even get it much cheaper than retail price.
I expect Ludeack will be more newbie friendly, with Rakza 9 and Rakza PO; Rubbers that im kinda familiar with. (mainly Rakza9)
From Acoustic Carbon, i do know it will be most likely desastrous in the first weeks. It will come with a Fastarc G1 and Moristo SP(I do not know those rubbers). But as my skill improve i can get much more from it. No need to be anxious, i know it will take some time.

My play style is close-to-table. I tend to priorize my backhand till mid table. My forehand is awful compared to BH. I have much more control with it, using FH just to block, 3rd ball and killing easy balls. My points almost always finishes before some kinda of rally.
Said that, what i really expect from Short Pips is more variety in my game, more quickness. As my BH is keen i know those off the bounce quick flat attacks will add alot. And forces me to improve with urgency my FH. Ive been playing with a 4th hand setup (Offensive S 802-40, Sriver) and i like what i surmise. The dissonance between BH&FH, the lack of cadency, rhythm, is alluring to me.
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I thought those both players used Acoustic Carbon Hasnt it a lighter yellow handle than regular Acoustic?
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Well, there are my thoughts so far Thanks for your replies.


Grateful,
Raul Pacheco.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

So your BH is your better wing. On which side are you planning to use the pips? FH? or BH?

Hint: I am not so sure you should use the pips on your better wing. That would leave you with a bigger problem than without the pips.

Why do you think carbon would be good for you if you are struggling to improve your FH?


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[Giangt]

At moment money isnt an issue, i will even get it much cheaper than retail price.
I expect Ludeack will be more newbie friendly, with Rakza 9 and Rakza PO; Rubbers that im kinda familiar with. (mainly Rakza9)
From Acoustic Carbon, i do know it will be most likely desastrous in the first weeks. It will come with a Fastarc G1 and Moristo SP(I do not know those rubbers). But as my skill improve i can get much more from it. No need to be anxious, i know it will take some time.

My play style is close-to-table. I tend to priorize my backhand till mid table. My forehand is awful compared to BH. I have much more control with it, using FH just to block, 3rd ball and killing easy balls. My points almost always finishes before some kinda of rally.
Said that, what i really expect from Short Pips is more variety in my game, more quickness. As my BH is keen i know those off the bounce quick flat attacks will add alot. And forces me to improve with urgency my FH. Ive been playing with a 4th hand setup (Offensive S 802-40, Sriver) and i like what i surmise. The dissonance between BH&FH, the lack of cadency, rhythm, is alluring to me.
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I thought those both players used Acoustic Carbon Hasnt it a lighter yellow handle than regular Acoustic?
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Well, there are my thoughts so far Thanks for your replies.


Grateful,
Raul Pacheco.

Ai Fukuhara

If you look at the layers around the head of the blade you see there is no carbon

Perhaps you are right about Mima Ito using the carbon version though.

I do not think the colors are different from each other, but I haven't seen the 3 versions side by side.

If money is not a issue just get what you want and the Acoustic Carbon with fast arc and Moristo sp would be a top notch setup!

Carl is on to something... Why do you want sp on your good side?

 

[Paccheco]

@Carl
My main problem with FH is positioning. As my comfort stroke is BH my body leans to do so and often i get caught recovering in the FH. But ive been watching myself last couple of weeks and i found myself covering more table with FH than i used to. Im liking it.
As for using SP in the better wing, idk. Really;whether would be beneficial or not. As this idea came to my mind last week and my coach is traveling, havent discussed it with him yet.

@Carl&Giangt
Like i said, the variety of styles in the same paddle is appealing to me. Ive been watching professional players and player at my club with SP BH and im really amazed. This whole week im playing with the 802-40 in BH on a Offensive S and despite the frustation of balls dropping dead in the net or flying around, whenever i gain a point varying spin/flat hits or off the bounce flat hits i say it pays off.
And last but no least, of all setups i played so far (chopper, blocker, allround, off-, off+) i think i liked it the most, even before get the Acoustic/ludeack combo. Even if im losing to players that i often win, the experience worths it, im enjoying

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One thing that i found too is the Ludeack's limba outer ply might be way softer than Clipper's. I knew Ludeack was slower than Clipper but i think it might be an issue when comparing to CLipper and mainly to Acoustic (regular or carbon). At least Ludeack is playing great with P7 and P3, spin machine, huge dwell and control.Vibrates more than Acoustic or Tenor but still not a tamborine, it is smooth. Still stiff, i could not notice that much of a flex.
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Atm im kinda in a rush but i will post more asap. Again, thanks for the replies and considerations.

Grateful,
Raul Pacheco.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

So, here is some useful information on short pips and why they are usually used when a player has a strong FH and a week BH and needs to have an extra weapon because the BH is too weak otherwise.

With a FH that is a weapon and a BH that is weak, the player usually has trouble spinning and attacking the ball with the BH and so, given the strong FH other players will dissect and pick apart the weaker wing.

By adding short pips you usually punch through the ball instead of spinning it. So if someone is successful at avoiding the good FH the ball that comes back at them from the short pips BH is more dangerous than the short pips players BH would have been able to produce with smooth rubber. But not more dangerous than what a player with BH that is stronger than his FH can produce.

The short pips nullifies mid level spin that doesn't vary too much. But it's weakness is that, against a player who can spin the ball effectively at the pips and handle the lower level spin from the short pips, then that player can vary the spin from mild to heavy.

Spin, and especially heavy topspin against short pips can make the pips a liability. The pips make it easier to handle a certain amount of changes in spin but the heavier the incoming spin, the harder it is for the short pips to control the spin.

What I see a lot of players in the 2300 range do vs a short pips player of a similar level is spin them off the table. The short pips BH will frequently go long or into the net as they try and handle to variations in topspin.

Now if a player is using the short pips on his stronger side, then he has just given himself two major weaknesses. The strong side and the weak side have just become more vulnerable.

The crutch of the pips will make you less likely to want to use your FH (weak side) in pressure situations and more likely to have to handle heavy topspin (which is hard to control with short pips).

Can it be done? Sure. Can it be done well? Sure. But it is very rare and strategically not so beneficial to weaken your stronger side and your weaker side at the same time.

In the short term it could make you a level higher if you are at a level where players have trouble with short pips. But it could put a lower limit on your potential making you peak at a lower level than without them. Whereas, if you had really tried working on your BH and it was your weaker wing and that wasn't going to change much, then short pips could raise your potential highest level.

And if the issue with your FH is movement and turning to it, then footwork drills and practice can help improve that. Whereas, adding short pips to the BH is likely to increase that problem.


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