Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Archosaurus]

He really does look like him, but I swear that Carl has better technique from what I've seen.

 

[Boogar]

Boogar, if Carl came to Princeton to play in the league, you would have heard about it.

Jea i thought so. Was just a wild guess You had some good balls there against Leshinsky!

 

[Boogar]

He really does look like him, but I swear that Carl has better technique from what I've seen.

That as well

 

[NextLevel]

Jea i thought so. Was just a wild guess You had some good balls there against Leshinsky!

I need to stop playing so deep into his forehand. Need to go wide and target middle more - my spin and pace does not affect him with Tenergy 05 as the ball is still too high from where I am playing it.

 

[Boogar]

I need to stop playing so deep into his forehand. Need to go wide and target middle more - my spin and pace does not affect him with Tenergy 05 as the ball is still too high from where I am playing it.

I guess your sidespin forehand, the one you showed me, would do wonders.

 

[NextLevel]

I guess your sidespin forehand, the one you showed me, would do wonders.

Yes - that is the one I was hitting when I used to beat him, but for some reason it has broken down recently as I changed my technique to do the stroke without the sidespin. So I have to rebuild it again into my new technique. That's why this game is so painful - you change something and it gets you something but it loses something. And you can't train everything because you are not a pro!

 

[Boogar]

Yes - that is the one I was hitting when I used to beat him, but for some reason it has broken down recently as I changed my technique. So I have to rebuild it again into my new technique. That's why this game is so painful - you change something and it gets you something but it loses something. And you can't train everything because you are not a pro!

Well spoken!

 

[Boogar]

Alright now that i have new info on ratings i can try to compare

So i played league in Princeton and got an initila rating of 1500. I won against two u 1500 and against a 1600 all 3:0.
However i lost to a penhold LP player who was rated 1580, NL said he was underrated and i suck against pimpels and all that stuff
Then i lost a close match to a lefty with almost 1800 points.
I would estimate myself around 1600 if i played more matches there. This is just a very simple guess as i dont have alot of info on it and only played rated matches in one club.

Now my Swiss tt rating is 740 atm, but i played my last match about 5 months ago so this is not correct anymore. Lets say I am rated 800 now.

The swiss system starts at 630 points. You can also dropp down from there, but you get restored to 600 points at the start of every season.
The best players are around 1600 points with about 10 player having more than that. Those are mostly foreign pros tho.

Its hard to compare those systems as one swiss tt points isnt the same as one US tt point.


There are alrdy estimations on how to compare the swiss tt system to the german ttr points. Most state that 1000 swiss tt points are about 1400 - 1500 german ttr points.

I looked up some threads on comparisons from us tt rating to ttr and it seems to be about a 400 point difference as well.

So me being rated 800 in switzerland would make me a 1200 ttr and 1600 us tt player. Kinda makes sense that way

 

[Archosaurus]

@NextLevel, I saw the video of you playing Chu. You handled him really well.

Was he coached in China? His backhand block and forehand loop are as "Chinese" as it gets.

 

[NextLevel]

@NextLevel, I saw the video of you playing Chu. You handled him really well.

Was he coached in China? His backhand block and forehand loop are as "Chinese" as it gets.

Thanks. You don't need to go to China to get Chinese coaching in the US - lots of Chinese/Asian imports, temp and perm, in TT clubs all over the US given it is an immigrant nation. I tried my best given the circumstances, I guess, but he was too consistent. I don't often lose points after making a series of backhand loops but I actually lost a couple against him. It's really funny but he beat Leshinsky and lost to Weschler. I probably should put short pips on my BH.

 

[Pricey 11]

What's Chu USATT rating? I saw the video and he seems very stable


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[Boogar]

2160 League Rating

 

[NextLevel]

2160 League Rating

He has been as high as USATT 2224 (which means the 2150-2250 range) according to this:

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Table-Tennis/Ratings/USATT-Individuals-Ratings

 

[Pricey 11]

Hmmm from what I saw in the video I reckon he would be a 70-75% win ratio in div 1 to a 35-40% premier player in English ratings.
Would be really good to find differences between USA rating and English rankings


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[NextLevel]

Hmmm from what I saw in the video I reckon he would be a 70-75% win ratio in div 1 to a 35-40% premier player in English ratings.
Would be really good to find differences between USA rating and English rankings


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There have been threads on this elsewhere but basically, but to compare for me, I played evenly with guys like Matt Faulkner and Sanga Quamina who I know are about 2000 USATT and ranked. The thing with players like Stephen is that they tend to play pips at a lower level than their rating while someone like me tends to play pips at a higher level so style matters.

 

[Archosaurus]

@NextLevel


True. I overruled the whole "immigration" thing. Whoever coached him, they coached him well. He's pretty solid.


Even though you're somewhat lower level than him, the most striking point about the video is that he didn't have to do anything fancy. He's going to look better than he really is, but it's still apparent that he's very steady and uniform. His serve return was good and he was always calmly ready for everything. In many players I see, for some reason, there's a kind of lull between strokes that you can see in their movement and their face.

You put more power into your backhand, but he controlled it much better on the points he did win in backhand exchanges. I guess when you're nearing the 2200's you really can't just power your way through unless you're a Kreanga.

 

[NextLevel]

@NextLevel


True. I overruled the whole "immigration" thing. Whoever coached him, they coached him well. He's pretty solid.


Even though you're somewhat lower level than him, the most striking point about the video is that he didn't have to do anything fancy. He's going to look better than he really is, but it's still apparent that he's very steady and uniform. His serve return was good and he was always calmly ready for everything. In many players I see, for some reason, there's a kind of lull between strokes that you can see in their movement and their face.

You put more power into your backhand, but he controlled it much better on the points he did win in backhand exchanges. I guess when you're nearing the 2200's you really can't just power your way through unless you're a Kreanga.

You see, the thing is this, I beat him a couple of years ago when I was the lower rated player. The difference was that then, I was not a looper, I was an allround player who mostly hit and dead block, unless it was backspin, which I looped. Players tend to look good when you give them what they like and the main reason why I gave him what he liked is that I am trying to learn to play topspin. If I played my old block and hit game, which I played briefly at the end of the second set, he would have struggled much more and possibly even lost. After all, Weschler beat him 3-0.

IT's one thing to play people who train every day and give them the spins they like. His game is good. But if I played him in a tournament, would I play him that way? No. I would dead ball block and junk him until I had his number. Then we will know whether our levels are really that different.

That said, I don't mind losing to people who play many more hours a week than I do. But I have beaten better players. Keep that in mind.

 

[Archosaurus]

You see, the thing is this, I beat him a couple of years ago when I was the lower rated player. The difference was that then, I was not a looper, I was an allround player who mostly hit and dead block, unless it was backspin, which I looped. Players tend to look good when you give them what they like and the main reason why I gave him what he liked is that I am trying to learn to play topspin. If I played my old block and hit game, which I played briefly at the end of the second set, he would have struggled much more and possibly even lost. After all, Weschler beat him 3-0.

IT's one thing to play people who train every day and give them the spins they like. His game is good. But if I played him in a tournament, would I play him that way? No. I would dead ball block and junk him until I had his number. Then we will know whether our levels are really that different.

That said, I don't mind losing to people who play many more hours a week than I do. But I have beaten better players. Keep that in mind.

Oh, I know what you mean. Given all that, you were still reasonably close to his "topspin level".

If you were to have a standard coached player with great technique and consistency, and an unconventional "basement player" with similar level and made them play a similar basement player of similar level, with the dead rubber and junk balls and whatnot, who would you root for more? The basement player is fairly experienced against such players, while the standard player has only played low level ones.

This isn't assuming "1200 great technique" but more so 1800.

 

[NextLevel]

Oh, I know what you mean. Given all that, you were still reasonably close to his "topspin level".

If you were to have a standard coached player with great technique and consistency, and an unconventional "basement player" with similar level and made them play a similar basement player of similar level, with the dead rubber and junk balls and whatnot, who would you root for more? The basement player is fairly experienced against such players, while the standard player has only played low level ones.

This isn't assuming "1200 great technique" but more so 1800.

I would root for my friend. Then I would root for whoever had the right approach or strategy against the opponent's style. I seriously find it disgusting that Chu has not outgrown his allergy to pips/dead balls.

 

[Archosaurus]

I would root for my friend. Then I would root for whoever had the right approach or strategy against the opponent's style. I seriously find it disgusting that Chu has not outgrown his allergy to pips/dead balls.

I understand where he is coming from. It's probably the last thing he wants to practice against, because it won't feel good at all during the first few days/weeks.

Maybe you can convince him how much better his TT life will be if he took a few months to really get junk balls down.

It's really the same thing as doing still life pictures for artists: I know people who would rather swallow a box of nails than do them anymore.